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Problem with an Art Trade

Hello, I this is my first post here, and it's not a beware... it's more for advice. I hope the situation does not escalate to anything bad, but I recently completed an art trade with someone last night. There is a vast time difference, so I found she commented on it in the afternoon. The person really liked the piece, replying with: 

Arrh! she is so cute! Thank u so much! and i looove the pose! <33 But she is a little fat? x.x it dosen't matter she is F*cking cute! :D <3 Thank u so much! :P

I replied with: I'm glad you like her!

I wondered that as well, but normal wolves are around that build

http://www.jon-atkinson.com/Large%20Images/La_Grey_Wolf2.jpg

I'll still fix the picture for you if you wish c:


Now I don't mind crit on my work, I actually encourage it, but it's the last comment that concerned me. The other artist replied to my comment with: 

Yeah they are so cute xD
But no I'll do it myself but if u want 2 then your welcome! :D it's only the back


What concerns me is someone going back and editing a picture I drew. I know she has the right to go an mess around with the picture after I gave it to her, but I would like advice on telling her that I preferred if she doesn't edit the picture with out sounding rude.


EDIT: After a short conversation with them, I realized that I got the build of their character wrong. She wanted an anorexic-style wolf, and because I thought all her art was stylized I drew a wolf with a normal build (all her art has the character drawn really skinny). I'm now very weary of doing trades with this person, because I asked them to change something on her half as well (she spelled the character's name wrong). I asked her a day ago, and after asking her again today, she told me she JUST deleted the piece. I find this very suspicious, and a sign she just didn't want to do something so simple ( I have no idea how to feel about this). This situation is making me weary of doing any more art trades, but I'm sure this will happen every once in a while. I figure I'm worrying over nothing. The deleting piece thing was just a miscommunication. In the end, I'm just going to edit the piece, and then close art trades for awhile and work on personal art for awhile. 

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dripbat
May. 16th, 2011 04:58 pm (UTC)
Just let her know it makes you uncomfortable when others edit your work and that you'd be happy to make a quick fix for her. I had a commissioner that liked to edit my sketches to show me how they wanted me to change things vs. just telling me how. Finally made me just tell them no, please don't do that. They shouldn't mind as long as you already said you would be happy to fix it. :)
miryhis
May. 17th, 2011 12:41 am (UTC)
Thank you for your advice!

I did tell her I was happy to edit it for her. I don't even know how the editing would come out if she doesn't have the file with the layers... but then again, I don't know that much about Photoshop.
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lilenth
May. 16th, 2011 05:15 pm (UTC)

She doesn't have the right to mess with the picture simply because it's given to her. The copyright and the right to alter it belongs to you. Simply tell her that she does not have the right to alter your work, and that you will be happy to alter it yourself.
miryhis
May. 17th, 2011 12:47 am (UTC)
Thank you for your input!

I was under the impression that the artist held rights, as in not having the picture sold. I thought once the picture exchanged hands the owner could scribble over it or burn it if they wanted to and the artist could do anything about it.
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taelifoe
May. 16th, 2011 05:31 pm (UTC)
It kind of bothers me when the other person in a trade has to tell you how to do your half. Kind of voids the point in my opinion, but there are certainly people who like every little detail to be spot-on. I agree with what both lilenth and blackberry said - I would politely tell the person you're trading with that you're not comfortable with someone else altering your work, and do a fix for them to keep them happy.

I'd also keep this in mind if you are considering any trades with them in the future. Not saying you shouldn't trade with them any more, that's not at all what I mean. I would just remember that they are a little picky about details, so it's possible this kind of thing could rear up again.
miryhis
May. 17th, 2011 01:01 am (UTC)
My thoughts exactly, I thought it was a bit harsh when she brought up editing it her self. My first thought was "Is the drawing that bad?" I told them a second time that I'd edit it stating a reason why I felt the way I did.

I've done a lot of trades, and this is the first time this has happened. I'm not upset about it, just a bit taken back. Though I will be iffy about continuing trades with this person.
shukivengeance
May. 16th, 2011 06:36 pm (UTC)
Actually, you own the copyright to the work, even if it's her character she doesn't have the legal right to edit your work without permission.

Having someone else alter your work makes you feel uncomfortable, so mention that to her. A lot of artists feel this way when it comes to editing so hopefully she can understand it.
miryhis
May. 17th, 2011 01:10 am (UTC)
Thanks for clearing that up for me... I thought the opposite.

I offered to edit it a second time, and she has yet to respond. Honestly, I don't mind editing a trade (as long as I'm the one fixing it). I did several art trades with another person, and she sends WIPs to me to show she's working on it and and in return I do the same for her. She pointed out points I got wrong with her character and I gladly fixed them for her. Thankfully this situation didn't come up with her.
thaily
May. 16th, 2011 06:57 pm (UTC)
"I know she has the right to go an mess around with the picture after I gave it to her"

Except she doesn't.
Just tell her "Sorry, I'm not comfortable with other people editing my drawings, but I can make her a bit skinnier if you'd like? It's no problem."
miryhis
May. 17th, 2011 03:35 am (UTC)
Good to know!

I sent her another reply stating the situation, but she hasn't replied yet.
megumi_kitten
May. 16th, 2011 09:19 pm (UTC)
Echoing what the others have said...really she has no reason to edit it if you're willing to change it.

I'd make sure you're wary about any future tradees with this person, though.
miryhis
May. 17th, 2011 03:37 am (UTC)
Thanks!

And, yes, even though I hate to be wary about this kind of thing. Trades usually aren't this much of a problem for me.
wolfofwind
May. 16th, 2011 10:58 pm (UTC)
Personally, I think if it was artwork made for you or paid by you of YOUR character that belongs to NO ONE ELSE, you should be allowed to alter colors. Line art though? NO. Never. I tell my commissioners they may alter the coat colors if they want (I have done this to make icons) as they (much like me) would like to enjoy the artwork for years to come, even if it needs a little color adjustment. However, really not ok to alter lineart. I realize this could be a gray area that could cause trouble but I just feel that that person shares rights to the artwork with the commissioner. After all.. it's your art, but not your ideas- and I don't feel that it's fair when others commission me that they shouldn't have any rights to the artwork. It is their creation, I think.
celestinaketzia
May. 16th, 2011 11:23 pm (UTC)
What you think is fair or not is kind of moot. By law you are not allowed to edit anything that is done for you unless rights have been signed over to you. It doesn't matter if it's your character on that piece of paper or not.

Now if you'll allow that as a courtesy to your commissioners with something you do for them, that's definitely your right to do so as an artist. Just, you know, don't expect it to be kosher with someone who does work for you.

For a better explanation of all of this, you can poke at the post here about Adiago editing a commission done for her.

Edit: Um, oops. I just realized my post might sound aggressive. :x That's definitely not my intention. Sorry about that.

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celestinaketzia
May. 16th, 2011 11:25 pm (UTC)
I'll just echo what everyone else has said. You have the rights to the image. Just tell her you are not comfortable with her doing so, and that you'd be more than happy to do it for her.
miryhis
May. 17th, 2011 03:38 am (UTC)
Thank you!

I replied again with my feelings on the situation, and she hasn't replied yet.
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conigliomannaro
May. 17th, 2011 12:08 pm (UTC)
To be completely fair, she sounded more like she was offering to take something off your back than else. Some people feel bad about asking other people to edit or alter works that have been done for them, (I would know about it, I feel that way for actual commissions) and she probably was just trying to mitigate what she feared you'd be annoyed about by offering to fix what she wants herself; she even said 'do it yourself if you wanna', so I think it was just an excess of thoughtfulness.
miryhis
May. 17th, 2011 03:56 pm (UTC)
Thanks for you input!

Unfortunately, both of us ran into another wrinkle. She got my character's name wrong on her half, and when she asked about editing the lineart on my half, I thought I'd bring it up (it's hard to get in contact with her). I told her about it, and she replied with "Dammit XD"... and continued to ask me about editing my half. When I asked her a second time, it's been a day now, she told me she just deleted it... I have no idea how to feel about the situation now. But I'll probably end up fixing it for her once my other work is done.
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grandioze
May. 17th, 2011 07:37 pm (UTC)
I don't know if you've seen this, but she posted her redline of your picture to her gallery... and it's available as a print. Hopefully it's a mistake on her part, but otherwise...

miryhis
May. 17th, 2011 10:19 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I told her to redline the picture of what she wants me to change. I'm a stickler when it comes to basic anatomy, but I'll try and find a happy medium with her.

I'm a bit thrown off my the print thing, as well though...
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