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David Brick

WHO: David Brick or David K.Wong,
dkwbrick@yahoo.com   http://dkwongart.com/

WHERE: ACen, or other conventions.

WHAT: Commished at ACen 2010 at his booth.
Large 2 character color digitally with background (barnyard)picture for $100 To be mailed to our address after the convention.

WHEN:  Anime Central Convention. (ACen )May of 2010.

PROOF:
Email
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Credit Card Statement
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EXPLAIN: My boyfriend and I commisioned David at ACen 2010, a Large 2 character color digitally with background (barnyard)picture for $100. He said it wouldn’t be finished until after the convention and that he would mail it to us. We gave him our character referance sheets, my bussiness card, with name, phone number and e-mail. Which I then wrote my home adress on it. We paid by credit card.(see screenshot)
Couple of months passed by and we had not heard anything. So we decided to give him a call. i talked to him briefly he stated he was still working on it and would contact us when finished.
Another month passed by and we got worried. This time I E-mailed him but got no response (see screenshot)
Couple of weeks pass and I give him another call, I get him on the phone and he statesthat he’d be in Chicago next week and to give him a call so that we could pick it up. Gave him a call when he said he’s be in town but got no answer so we left a Voicemail. All the week I called him everyday but still no answer.
To this day almost a year later and another ACen coming up, we have not recived our artwork, or $100.00 back or any response as to what is going on from the artist, David.



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hamburger
Mar. 23rd, 2011 07:23 pm (UTC)
Hello! I approved this, but could you please place the images under a cut! Thanks!
jadewolf87
Mar. 24th, 2011 02:47 pm (UTC)
I will try and figure that out. I'm sorry
fuzzwolfie
Mar. 23rd, 2011 07:47 pm (UTC)
Ok, so when you commissioned him, did he every give a time line for completion?

Have you ever seen any WIPs/sketches/proof that any work has been done?

Also, have you ever set a time line or said have something like: I would like "x" done by -insert date- or I would like a refund."?

I'm sorry you've had this experience. D: The only thing I can really say is that maybe calling him every single day while he was supposedly in Chicago was a poor choice. It's not excusing the artist's actions, but everyday is a bit extreme. It may have deterred the artist further from contact, coming off a bit strong perhaps. I'm not defending him here at all though. :< I do hope this gets figured out!
shukivengeance
Mar. 23rd, 2011 08:16 pm (UTC)
When someone has $100 of your money with nothing to show for it after several months there's no such thing as 'coming on too strong' imo. Keeping in contact with a client is something the artist should be doing and they shouldn't HAVE to be pestered for updates in the first place.
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snobahr
Mar. 23rd, 2011 08:09 pm (UTC)
You might want to pop him another email - your post says that you called him (a significant amount), but there was only one or two emails sent by you? Send one more, with a link to your post here.
jadewolf87
Mar. 24th, 2011 02:38 pm (UTC)
I have just done that.
shukivengeance
Mar. 23rd, 2011 08:18 pm (UTC)
Is there any way you can try and get a refund via your credit card or bank? This may be something worth looking into if he continues to ignore you. In the meantime you should contact him asking for a refund or the art to be produced by X date, and perhaps link to this entry about him as well. Usually artists will take notice of something that affects their reputation.
torinir2
Mar. 23rd, 2011 08:50 pm (UTC)
Credit Card companies have 180 days to initiate a chargeback for a disputed transaction. This is well outside the timeframe for a dispute with the CC company, sadly.
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meradragon
Mar. 24th, 2011 12:22 am (UTC)
I don't know about the time frame allotted for credit card disputed transactions, but people really can't just run away with your money, so look into whether or not there are any legal things you can take (not that you need to, but bringing them up with the guy may make him speed up).

Attempt to work out a schedule for him. Say "I realize you're busy, but i need sketch by ___ date, and then a WIP by ___ date, and I expect the finished by ____"
Give him a fair amount of time, and perhaps he'll actually attempt to meet your deadline.

Inform him that you're putting his name across various communities for being unreliable, and that you'd love to put everything as resolved, but that it'll be impossible without some show of work from him.

Just be REALLY firm, and act professional and don't feel bad pestering him. As an artist, I know I sometimes get busy, but if anyone gives me a deadline, I'll work my ass off to finish it.
Make up a reason WHY you need it by such and such a date if you have to.
marus_puppy
Mar. 24th, 2011 01:18 am (UTC)
I agree with this sentiment entirely! Sometimes not having a deadline makes it seem like "oh, I can just push this to the side for now until I get some other work done, the person is understanding and not expecting it soon." So definitely set a deadline and be firm about him getting it done.
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cubstatik
Mar. 24th, 2011 02:01 am (UTC)
It's about time someone brought this name up.

He pulled the same thing with me awhile back. It took quite some time for him to finally pay me back. I will never do business with this guy again because he was very unprofessional and tried to make me feel like I was the one in the wrong. That just doesn't fly with me, especially when I'm trying to be patient and work with you on a understanding agreement.

He claimed he was local to me as well and talked me into letting him work on the piece after the con. I had no idea this translated in his world "let me take your money, say nothing until you finally pull it out of me, and fill your head with more empty promises that just buys me more time to delay"

Good luck getting your money back, I honestly thought that money for me was as good as gone. Just tell him you no longer wish to do business with him because you weren't aware this is how he works. A refund is in order and any reputable artist should respect that. Take it for a lesson too, don't commission him again.
zhivagod
Mar. 24th, 2011 02:45 am (UTC)
I will actually be seeing him in about 3 days since I believe he is signed up for a dealer's hall table at a convention I am going to (He was there last year so I'm fairly certain he will be there again this year).

Would you like me to approach him about this?

Personally, the guy has always rubbed me the wrong way ever since I first laid eyes on him.
zhivagod
Mar. 24th, 2011 02:52 am (UTC)
Actually, in double checking the artist/dealer listings, it seems he might not be... Which is super weird, if you ask me. He might be winding down since I have seen him at LITERALLY every single convention I have been to since 2006. Last I checked his personal website he listed 45+ conventions per year that he said he attended but his 2011 schedule seems to only have just shy of 30 cons.

He's probably starting to burn out or something, if you ask me. I dislike the guy immensely but I do remember being VERY shocked at how much work he does and how many cons he goes to to sell.
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lilenth
Mar. 24th, 2011 04:43 pm (UTC)

Personally looking at his gallery? There's something off about it.

His best fanwork is achingly familiar and looks to be either copied or traced partially or entirely from existing images of the characters in question or perhaps cribbed from an illustration of a similar character and then different parts are pasted on, the minute something isn't familiar I notice that it takes a steep nosedive in terms of ability.

I'm not disputing that he can draw, but I am saying that for me the guy's gallery is throwing up some classic signals that indicate that he's had a little help from unwitting sources.
oceandezignz
Mar. 27th, 2011 10:23 pm (UTC)
David Wong's actually a published pro. He's supposedly been in the industry since the age of 17 (I went to a panel of his in 2010). I am not going to comment any more beyond that.
jadewolf87
Mar. 25th, 2011 02:49 pm (UTC)
Would be nice if people would stop telling me WHAT I SHOULD HAVE DONE.

I have learned my lesson on dealing with artists and will move forward from this experience but I didn't post this asking for advice per-say I posted more as a warning to other people who commission him.

But as long as your giving advice:
How do I go about getting my money back or the finished artwork out of him?
Any thoughts?
lilenth
Mar. 25th, 2011 03:55 pm (UTC)

Artists_beware is an advice community as well as one for warning people about bad artists/commissioners. If you post here, you are going to get advice as well as commiseration.

I'd suggest small claims court at this point since the bank won't help. I believe the order of dealing with it is to send a letter via recorded delivery (keeping a copy for yourself and proof of posting) stating you expect your goods to be delivered by X date (this should be a reasonable time limit say two weeks to a month) or a full refund if not you'll be taking him to small claims court, if X date passes without either, you take the copy of the letter, proof of posting, proof of purchase, and any other evidence you have and file a small claims case against him, it costs a little money but if you win he has to pay your fees back to you as well.

Having a small claims case filed (and won) against him is a credit ding, furthermore if he doesn't comply with the decision, he may end up with worse consequences, judges don't like it when people ignore them.
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oceandezignz
Mar. 27th, 2011 07:28 am (UTC)
Every journal entry within Artist Beware is tagged. If you go to the front community page of A_B, you will see on the left hand side a large list of links. Those are the tags. If you need to see a full page of them, there is also a link for that, which also shows you how many times said person has been brought up.
taps1223
May. 14th, 2011 08:55 pm (UTC)
Has he resolved this with you yet?

I'm also battling it out with David Wong at the moment, too. H owes me a commission from Chicago Comic Con 2010. My story is similar to yours, actually. If he gave a deadline, I let him work until the deadline. Then I'd get an excuse and he'd give me another deadline. Now, I'm on excuse number two for not sending out my refund requested almost two months ago for a commission due in December that he had six months to work on.

Advice for contacting him.. If he doesn't reply to direct e-mails, contact him through his websites 'contact me' page. I've had to resort to sending e-mails through that now because he won't answer my e-mails directly.

He comes off as a great guy, but for those who are thinking of commissioning him, I'd be weary unless you commission him day one of a con and pick up your print that same weekend!
taps1223
Jul. 23rd, 2011 04:44 am (UTC)
Keep on him and you'll get your money back. I eventually did. It just took lots of e-mails.
kikai_saigono
Jun. 2nd, 2011 12:20 am (UTC)
Has this been resolved yet? Unfortunately I did not see this post before Acen 2011,and I was selling in the AA this year too, or else I would have gone and talked to him for you. :(
kikai_saigono
Jun. 2nd, 2011 12:23 am (UTC)
Oh DAMN, he was at C2E2 as well! Ah well, he'll be at WizardWorld Chicago this year.
Dave McGee
Sep. 22nd, 2011 10:01 pm (UTC)
Ugh
Wish I had seen this thread before I commissioned a piece at EmeraldCity ComiCon this past March....

Still working to get my piece, but I have misplaced his phone number. Can anyone send it to me?
taps1223
Oct. 12th, 2011 01:14 am (UTC)
Re: Ugh
I don't have his number anymore, but you can contact him on his website: http://dkwongart.com/. He always got back to me when I bugged him on his site.
Britanny Wendt
Feb. 4th, 2012 12:02 am (UTC)
I totally feel your pain
I commissioned him for some art in 2010. Its been two years. Went to GenCon in 09 and liked his art. Then at 2011 I went to his booth to get my art. After being promised the entire year that I will get it mailed to me. Nothing, and once again when I called/messaged him...another round of excuses. Now I am trying to get my refund and he won't answer my calls or messages. Its always one excuse after another. It in august it will mark the third year since I paid for some art from him.
sairacox
Jan. 5th, 2015 07:13 pm (UTC)
Well, crap
I commissioned this artist at Kansas City Comicon in April 2014. He said he would have the commision done by June.

Then Summer.
Then September.
Then October.
Then November or December.

Now he hasn't responded to any of my texts.

I wish I had seen this. Lesson learned.
Sara Katch
Jan. 8th, 2015 10:08 pm (UTC)
Re: Well, crap


An Edit 6/13/2016

I've tried for a while to help David dig him out of the hole he's gotten himself into, I do my best to remind him of old projects and keep his clients informed. But I can only do so much, and can't force him to finish them any faster. I'm happy I was able to help those I did, Apologies if it wasn't enough. I'll be done working for him soon, as I need to work on my own career. Good luck.


Edited at 2016-06-21 07:39 pm (UTC)
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