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Shadowfox Insisting.

This past weekend at furry fiesta, Shadowfox ( www.furaffinity.net/user/shadowfox8588 ) commissioned me for an inked 2 character pinup with blacklight coloring on the pawpads and penis. I have written down exactly what he described to me, a receipt for the commission and the sign of what I was offering at this convention. I was NOT offering colored pinups at this con!

He then proceeded to return to my table at least 5 times that day when I told him I'd have it done the next morning because pinups take me longer.
The next morning I had the inked commission done for him. He asked me why it wasn't colored... I told him it wasn't supposed to be colored and he just left my table.

Shadowfox continued to insist that he ordered a colored pinup from me and demanded I take it home and color it. I have it here with be because I could not get a word in edgewise before he just walked away from my table.



I have no idea what to do here. He's now posting shouts on my page asking whether or not I have word on his commission status. Please help, AB.


I'm sure most of you know his history, and frankly I was a little intimidated seeing him in person and actually dealing with his attitude problem.








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taigitsune
Mar. 1st, 2011 03:58 pm (UTC)
Since he didn't pay for color, he doesn't get color.

If he wants to pay for it, you're free to complete it at your leisure and send it to him.

He can't say or do anything now that you're not face-to-face. <3
shadowfox8588
Jul. 21st, 2011 10:17 pm (UTC)
Err.. just read this.. Aculy what happened was is i thought i had bought a digital and when i ordered a colored i dident know. I asked if there was a way to make it digital and she said. that it costs extra. So i think asked if i could pay extra.

This seems like furry drama to me. Furrys tend to say alot of shit about me localy. Also my commission was never mailed to me is my other issue. But i dident bitch about it. just a lost 40$
allykat
Mar. 1st, 2011 04:02 pm (UTC)
Ahmen! He didn't pay for color, he gets no color. Shout right back and tell him that you don't understand WHY he didn't take his finished color commission with him at the con, and please shoot you the money required for shipping it.

Also, hold on to that sign and receipt in stuff in case he tries to come over here and pull anything.

Edited at 2011-03-01 04:02 pm (UTC)
ainoko_ironrose
Mar. 1st, 2011 04:05 pm (UTC)
I agree with Taigitsune here, he paid for an inked pinup, not a colored pinup. I saw your signs at the con, he doesn't have a leg to stand on in this case. Tell him that if he is wanting the pinup colored, he is going to have to ante up the monies for the color. Case closed.
marus_puppy
Mar. 1st, 2011 04:08 pm (UTC)
So you did a pinup for him even though you weren't officially offering pinups at the con and now he's demanding more than that (i.e. color)?

Frankly, he shouldn't get any more unless he paid for the color. You shouldn't have gone out of your way to do his commission in the first place and it's really nice that you did, but now you're really not obligated to do anymore. Either scan and email it to him or get his address and mail it, then be done with him. If he continues to harass you, just block him. Maybe notify an admin, though I'm not sure how much they'll do.
ducttapeninja
Mar. 1st, 2011 04:12 pm (UTC)
To my understanding, the artist was offering pinups, just not colored ones. At least, that's what I got from the OP anyway.
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lurkerwisp
Mar. 1st, 2011 04:08 pm (UTC)
Maybe you could scan the reciept and email it back to him to remind him what he actually purchased. Maybe he's just extremely stupidly mistaken?

He's being really rude about it, but hopefully that's something that can be cleared up.
animecat
Mar. 1st, 2011 06:38 pm (UTC)
Agreed. This is why my commission forms have a carbon copy duplicate, so I always have a copy of what was agreed to. If the OP can prove what was ordered and paid for, the commissioner doesn't have any basis for his argument.
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zoom_gas
Mar. 1st, 2011 04:11 pm (UTC)
ok i kind of honestly laughed a little at the blacklight penis BUT yeah, dude didn't commission a full colored piece, you don't own him one. Simple as that.
connorgoodwolf
Mar. 1st, 2011 04:21 pm (UTC)
This is exactly why anything I sell gives a simple description on the receipt. I can go back and point out what was for sell.

If he persists, block him. If he persists by going around your block on FA, alert one of the FA administrators.
ducttapeninja
Mar. 1st, 2011 04:22 pm (UTC)
First off, if you had a sign there showing exactly what you were taking commissions on, and he didn't actually specify coloring when he commissioned you, then it's his fault, not yours. Just tell him straight up that you weren't taking colored commissions, he didn't specify he wanted it colored at the time he commissioned you, and that the inked version is all he gets. You shouldn't be expected to put in more work for free just because he didn't read the sign.
mr_cullen
Mar. 1st, 2011 04:28 pm (UTC)
If you clearly advertised what you were offering (In this case; Non coloured pinups) and he's demanding more than advertised he should pay you for the extra work to colour it, or colour it himself/get someone else to colour it for him.

I can't say I;m personally aware of the dude's rep tho. First time I've heard of him I think.
anime_amy
Mar. 1st, 2011 04:37 pm (UTC)
Because of his history I would be very careful in how you handle this.

Don't give him the colored commission though. Scan the receipts and everything that shows that he in fact did NOT get a colored pin-up commission.

Also if you have a price list on your FA showing the price he payed was in fact for just inked that would be even better to show him along with the receipt.
obsidianwolfess
Mar. 2nd, 2011 03:39 am (UTC)
IAWTC
startide
Mar. 1st, 2011 05:05 pm (UTC)
I don't know him personally, but from what I hear among the DFW locals, he tends to use intimidation to try to get his way. Stick to your guns if he tries to escalate it.
draggo
Mar. 2nd, 2011 12:21 am (UTC)
I do know him personally. He is a huge drama magnet and will try to use intimidation to get what he wants. He also has his own page on Encyclopedia Dramatica for other things he has done.
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naminess
Mar. 1st, 2011 05:20 pm (UTC)
i re-read and caught this: 'commissioned me for an inked 2 character pinup with blacklight coloring'

so i assume there is a mix up in terminology based on how this was worded.

i would supply him a copy of his order as you took it down, show it in comparison to the photos of you sign of 'what was offered for commission that con' and offer an apology if there was confusion on the terminology, but for coloring work on the pinup you will need to charge extra.

good luck! i hope this resolves quickly and satisfactorily.
stormslegacy
Mar. 1st, 2011 06:11 pm (UTC)
I dunno if it means there was a mix-up--as an artist I can't tell you just how many people go into detail about the very specific shade of salmon pink their character is on an obviously black and white commission.
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mrst4nkr
Mar. 1st, 2011 05:20 pm (UTC)
You could always offer a refund, and then try to sell the image. He'd probably get peeved at that, though.


He didn't pay for color? Don't give him color. If he wants to yell at you, let him. He's not hurting anyone's reputation but his own (as a commissioner).

....I suppose he didn't pay you for SHIPPING, since he was supposed to take it with him at the con. You shouldn't be expected to cover that, but since you didn't (to my knowledge) give him the ultimatum of taking what he paid for or leaving it for you to re-sell, he does need to receive that art or his money back.

I'd offer it to him one last time. If he refuses it, get it in writing (or typing.. you get the idea. ) and block him. Make sure you understand that he doesn't want the money or the art. Thank him for the donation. Hopefully he'll read signs better next time. End of story.
epiceternity
Mar. 1st, 2011 05:48 pm (UTC)
Seems he must have misunderstood what he was paying for (maybe something in the convo gave him the impression it would be coloured) Or he's simply trying it on to get more that what he paid for. It's difficult to really know.
I think the only thing you can do is scan the image and give him a copy with the offer of posting out the original if he wants it. I was going to say email him it but then he might start harassing you via email so might be better to use something like Yousendit. At least then you've covered your bases on trying to give him the art he paid for.

Hope things work out!
seaweed_fma
Mar. 1st, 2011 06:47 pm (UTC)
off topic but...
LOLing at your Ed icon. :)
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