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Cirrus Kitfox

My 3rd paid commission with http://www.furaffinity.net/user/cirrus was left unfinished after two events. One, his monitor conked out on him, so it had to be put on hold until he could get it replaced. The basic RGB colors were compromised; as a result of the failed monitor, the G is missing from this picture: tinypic.com/r/24zvy2w/7 NSFW

Two, after the "drama (which I refuse to discuss here)" broke out, he mass-blocked me. After trying several times to reach him, he replied via Facebook: tinypic.com/r/2untslf/7

My PayPal receipt: tinypic.com/r/2r6i9lt/7

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Artist's beware has moved!
Do NOT repost your old bewares. They are being archived.
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kayla_la
Feb. 15th, 2011 08:26 pm (UTC)
And because I know I need to say it.. Do not start drama here, anybody. Asking questions and the like is fine, but don't cause problems JUST because it's Allan. This is everyone's only warning to this.

That said, feels like a beware to me. He should at least give you a refund if he's not willing to work with you anymore. He doesn't just get to keep your money and give you nothing (or a messed up product, in this case) in return.

kayla_la
Feb. 15th, 2011 08:28 pm (UTC)
After looking at the picture, I'm not fully sure what's wrong with it. Can you explain? Though it sounds like the artist acknowledges the business is unfinished in his reply.
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thaily
Feb. 15th, 2011 08:29 pm (UTC)
1. People cannot see NSFW images on Inkbunny if they are not a member, as I've mentioned before.
2. A screenshot is infinitely preferable over a copy&pasta, as the screenshot is harder to edit and therefore more believable.
kadaria
Feb. 15th, 2011 08:35 pm (UTC)
+1
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lichdog
Feb. 15th, 2011 08:33 pm (UTC)
The artist should have at least refunded you a bit if he wasn't interested in finishing the picture because of your bad reputation.
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lupine_assassin
Feb. 15th, 2011 08:41 pm (UTC)
I was asked not to re-post this using the Facebook screencap cos it contained private info.
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hamburger
Feb. 15th, 2011 08:42 pm (UTC)
The lack of screenshot in this case was because he had a screenshot, and it was the user's Facebook and revealed a bit too much personal information. I have seen said screenshot when he first attempted to post this entry.

Allan, if you block out the personal information, you can post that screenshot here. I should have been more clear with that.
lupine_assassin
Feb. 15th, 2011 08:44 pm (UTC)
Will do.
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mrst4nkr
Feb. 15th, 2011 08:43 pm (UTC)
Unless I see some screen shots, instead of your lazy attempts of providing evidence, I am really not likely to believe you.

Things that would be good to post screenshots of. (Here, I will help you..):
The original commission agreement (what the commission was, and in what form it was to be rendered..Colored digital. Traditional inks. ETC ). Also the date when this was agreed upon.
The price agreed upon.
The deadline, if any.
Attempts to contact this person on your part.
Their responses to you.
Your attempt to make contact with them again. (The facebook screenshot would be great. Block out their name if you don't want to compromise any IRL identities. )

These are my suggestions. I think they'd help you prove your case immensely.

lupine_assassin
Feb. 15th, 2011 08:56 pm (UTC)
My attempts are not lazy. I can only provide what I have on me.
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sunhawk
Feb. 15th, 2011 08:44 pm (UTC)
Holy crap I would have liked some warning that picture was NSFW!
lupine_assassin
Feb. 15th, 2011 08:45 pm (UTC)
Adjusted.
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shukivengeance
Feb. 15th, 2011 08:48 pm (UTC)
It looks finished to me, unless it was supposed to be shaded?
lupine_assassin
Feb. 15th, 2011 08:52 pm (UTC)
Like I said, the G in RBG is missing, according to what Cirrus told me. I even offered to buy him a new monitor at the time, but he politely declined.
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hellebore
Feb. 15th, 2011 08:53 pm (UTC)
Did you contact him about the missing green color before he blocked you?
lupine_assassin
Feb. 15th, 2011 08:54 pm (UTC)
Yes.
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purpule
Feb. 15th, 2011 09:14 pm (UTC)
So... what exactly is missing from the commission you ordered? What did you actually pay for?
lupine_assassin
Feb. 15th, 2011 09:17 pm (UTC)
The green in the basic red/green/blue layout.
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sunhawk
Feb. 15th, 2011 09:21 pm (UTC)
OK so you say the green is missing from the image and you only knew that based on what the artist told you, do you actually feel the image is lacking in some way? If there aren't any areas that need to be green on the image, there's a good chance adding back the green channel wouldn't make it look different or better. What is the point in pursuing an alteration to the image that won't really make any difference?
marymouse
Feb. 15th, 2011 09:27 pm (UTC)
This is not to cause any problems, but I just want to say I've know Cirrus for many years in the fandom and I have always observed his work ethic at conventions and such to be great. There may be a little more to the story here. <=)

I don't think this is worth a beware, I'm sorry. :/
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lilenth
Feb. 15th, 2011 09:55 pm (UTC)

Hey mods?

Can we please get some sort of standard ideal complaint? I'm tired of seeing submissions that are "he said, she said", artists_beware is supposed to have standards, and people complaining really need to have some form of evidence.

Case in hand, here we have a post where unverified second hand information is relayed by one party who doesn't even seen to know what the problem actually was or have any evidence for it, for many of this person's posts we have little evidence except for his 'word' and speaking as nicely as possible, the OP's reputation prior to this makes it essential that he provides some basis for his complaints.

If anyone else came in with this kind of lackluster "oh so and so isn't being my free image storage service" complaints, it wouldn't be acceptable either much less someone with a history of less than mature responses when he feels slighted.
puritikoneko
Feb. 15th, 2011 10:19 pm (UTC)
I'm inclined to agree with you on this one.
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duster
Feb. 15th, 2011 10:12 pm (UTC)
All I see is more he-said-she-said petty grudge. And I highly doubt the artist would fly off the handle without provocation. Either the artist has skin the thickness of wet rice paper or you're not telling us the whole story. Just looking at your previous lackluster petty posts, guess where I'm putting my money.
minimalismo
Feb. 15th, 2011 10:22 pm (UTC)
Agreed. I like artists_beware, but I don't like it when people come here to start drama like the OP clearly is ("he said she said" type of posts = drama to me, personally).
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riskyrussian
Feb. 15th, 2011 10:37 pm (UTC)
Ok after reading through the comments, from what I understand Allan at first saw nothing wrong with the image until Cirrus mentioned his broken monitor. After this was mentioned, Allan looked at the piece and the more he did, the more he decided he wanted it changed.

Depending on the time between the commission being finished and Allan wanting it changed, I don't see it unreasonable. If Allan thinks the couch is too blue and would like the couch colored changed in something he paid money for, I see no problem in that.

However, given how two of the three bewares posted by him on this community seem a little fishy (this one included) I am inclined to believe he just lost high-res copies of artwork he liked and is mad that the original artists do not have the copies anymore and want nothing to do with him.

That aside, if it's the green that's missing (in which case, just the eye color is gone) then why not learn some basic photo shop skills and change the color?

sigilgoat
Feb. 15th, 2011 10:39 pm (UTC)
It's really not hard to smart select (or even lasso, FFS) and adjust a hue in just about any program.
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