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ok, i offered up a free iron artist, trying to get a bit more exposure.  i dont really draw graphic stuff, i do do tasteful nudity, not because of any moral reason, but simply because i feel im not at the point where i can draw more erotic stuff, talent-wise.  now, that said, i have someone who requested a piece, buuuuut....it would break the Furaffinity ToS and he doesnt seem to understand that.  How do I bow out of this request without seeming rude?

 
Masster:
 Do you do sonic?
well if you dont Id like to see her: http://disgaea.wikia.com/wiki/Etna
ontop of Flonne: http://disgaea.wikia.com/wiki/Flonne
humping a balloon on flonnes crotch
sound good to you?
: )

Me:
i can do sonic, yes, as long as it doesnt violate the ToS

Masster:
I dont know whats ToS.... can I get 2 requests?
I would like that one I already made, but I want even more to see rouge humping a large balloon ontop of amy whiile her legs are spread.
Hows that sound?

Me:
I cant do amy, or those first two characters because they're underage and it's against the ToS of furaffinity. it will get my account banned.

Masster:
!!! according to the disgaea series (if u clicked on the links u would know) both etna and flonne are far past 100 years old.
either way, u could just draw those 3 as 18+


at this point i just want to bow out of it and dont know how to do it without being rude.

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findmealone
Jan. 3rd, 2011 10:09 pm (UTC)
Like so:

"I am sorry, but I am uncomfortable with the theme, so I will not be doing this for you."
shukivengeance
Jan. 3rd, 2011 10:12 pm (UTC)
This.
thaily
Jan. 4th, 2011 09:39 am (UTC)
Haha, yes. This is perfectly acceptable.

It's not even a matter of FA's TOS, you don't have to draw anything you don't want to.
findmealone
Jan. 4th, 2011 11:08 am (UTC)
Exactly - you should never have to find an excuse for something you wouldn't be happy doing. It's horribly common that people think artists work for fun and its an 'easy' job, so they'll jump at the chance of work, even unpaid - artists need to put their foot down more and say "This is my time I am giving you, and I'm not going to spend it on something I dislike."
harliquinnraver
Jan. 3rd, 2011 10:10 pm (UTC)
i would just say, "im sorry, but i really dont feel comfortable drawing that/those characters."
puppetmaker40
Jan. 3rd, 2011 10:12 pm (UTC)
Honestly I would politely stick to your guns on this and just repeat as politely as you can (which you have been very good at) "no" also you might use the full phrase "terms of service" and link to the ToS for FA.

Somewhere on FA (I looked both on the forum and FA notices and couldn't find it with a quick search) there is the policy that you can copy and paste or a link that you can give them which tells them that this sort of thing has become within the past 6 months not allowed on FA. I am sure that someone else here on Artist Beware will be able to give you that link so you can pass it onto this person.

If they continue to harass you about it, there are ways to report it to FA admins.

I don't think you should draw something that you are uncomfortable with at all and it shouldn't be a black mark against you in the least.
celarania
Jan. 3rd, 2011 10:12 pm (UTC)
I'd just say that you'd feel uncomfortable doing characters that you feel are too close to the TOS (you can even point out that they look like the underaged characters) and don't feel comfortable risking your account. Offer him another request in its stead. Alternatively (if it's just the TOS that bothers you), you could just say that you can do it, but won't be posting it.

However, at the end of the day, it's a free request, so you're allowed to refuse anything (to be honest, you have that right even if it were paid).
shukivengeance
Jan. 3rd, 2011 10:16 pm (UTC)
It can be difficult dealing with pushy people. The above posts have good examples of how to say no and not be rude about it. Since they apparently don't know what a ToS is, then explain that FA does not allow that type of content and that you are uncomfortable drawing such themes regardless. Stick to your guns and don't let them try to bully you into it.
mrst4nkr
Jan. 3rd, 2011 10:26 pm (UTC)
:) It's a free request. You should definitely take note that you owe NOTHING to the people asking for the request.

I know the characters in question. While they are older, they are depicted in VERY childlike bodies! You did the right thing.

"I'm very sorry, but I do not feel comfortable working on that request. Do you have another suggestion? " might be warranted here. If they keep asking for the request, or ask why you won't take it, I'd promptly let them know that you have no interest in fulfilling their request and that they need to come up with another idea (that you may or may not draw, because it's a request and not a promise). If that doesn't work, just let them know that you will be unable to help them, and bid them a good day. :)
connorgoodwolf
Jan. 3rd, 2011 10:29 pm (UTC)
^ The perfect response
gizagiza
Jan. 3rd, 2011 11:15 pm (UTC)
^ I second this as the perfect response
animecat
Jan. 3rd, 2011 10:32 pm (UTC)
And this is why I just say "no fanart commissions/requests" at all. That way you won't get in trouble for drawing someone else's characters and its a convenient way to get out of being asked to draw some of the weird character-related fetishes that are out there.

But as others have said, you always, ALWAYS have the right to say NO to anything you're not comfortable with, whether you're paid or not. Were I in your place, I would just tell him something along the lines of: "I'm sorry, but I'm really not comfortable with drawing those characters or with drawing any kind of erotic work at the moment. I'm sorry. If you have another idea I'd be happy to listen. Otherwise I apologize, but I won't be able to help you. Have a great day!"
celarania
Jan. 3rd, 2011 11:06 pm (UTC)
I just want to say, yes this. I don't think I emphasized enough in my post that you don't have to take on a commission, let alone a request, for something that you're not comfortable drawing. You don't need to do anything you're not comfortable with, nor should you just for the sake of being polite.
pariahsdream
Jan. 4th, 2011 12:43 am (UTC)
I have a clause in my terms that says I will draw fanart on commission, provided they're not to be depicted in inappropriate poses/costumes/situations. So that gives me leeway for people who just want me to draw Rogue in a cheesecake pose as opposed to Rogue humping a cheesecake or something.
obsidianwolfess
Jan. 3rd, 2011 11:05 pm (UTC)
Free doesn't mean you are obligated. Respectfully decline them. If they persist, you can always either ignore them or put them on block. :x
lichdog
Jan. 4th, 2011 12:29 am (UTC)
Even if they offer money, she doesn't have to. She can still decline the request before the money reaches her hands. OR she can refund them if they're uncomfortable. Nobody should ever feel obligated to draw something they arent comfortable with drawing.
ursulav
Jan. 4th, 2011 12:03 am (UTC)
Frankly, I'd have nothing to do with this one. You're gonna have nothing but grief from them--anybody who starts out that pushy is going to make you miserable in the long run--you get nothing whatsoever out of it, and if you knuckle under and do it, your only "exposure" is to get to be that person who draws free underage porn. With balloons.

Hard to see what you can possibly get out of it that's positive, ya know?

I realize that you really really don't want to be rude, and that's really a good thing...but I wouldn't waste the worry on this sort of commissioner. They're being rude by making requests you've explained you can't do, and they're not going to stop pushing, because...well..they want this one thing, and you're just a conduit to maybe give it to them. Save your grief, explain you're not comfortable drawing this, and don't convince yourself that you owe them anything.
louveg
Jan. 5th, 2011 12:02 am (UTC)
Exactly!

I'm specially put off by the "if u clicked on the links u would know" which sounds really rude to me.
spiffystuff
Jan. 4th, 2011 12:24 am (UTC)
If you don't want to do it, just say you don't think you're up to it! Don't have to explain yourself at all.
He is right if the characters were drawn so that they looked over 18 years old, it won't violate the TOS, but that's neither here nor there if you're just not interested/comfortable with it.
hippiehyena
Jan. 4th, 2011 12:47 am (UTC)
Whether it be a request or a commission you have every right to refuse any request.
That is your right as a creator and a human.
silverfalln
Jan. 4th, 2011 12:48 am (UTC)
I wouldn't be concerned with being rude at this point. You've tried being nice. Just tell them a firm "No, I am not going to draw this."

You have a right to say "No" to anything someone wants you to draw, paid or free.
vulgaris
Jan. 4th, 2011 01:31 am (UTC)
Just say no. If you don't want to do it, you don't have to... Especially if it makes you uncomfortable.
stormslegacy
Jan. 4th, 2011 05:35 am (UTC)
Some people just don't get it when you try to hint you're unhappy or that you might not want to do it. I've found a firm "NO." in some instances is the best way to go about it if they wheedle.

I've not had a ton of luck offering free requests openly--the 'exposure" you get are the free-art whores that will never pay you a dime for your services. They dewatch as soon as you stop taking requests, and they are the same people that turn up time after time, and are often quite rude about getting their piece chosen or finished. Worse...when you *do* finish there's not even a thank you, or worse they nitpick details. The best way I've found to do it that works most of the time is to offer "contests" where people post their requests and you chose the ideas YOU want to work on. Doing it that way means you don't have to explain to someone why you said no to their complicated request.

seethecee
Jan. 4th, 2011 04:33 pm (UTC)
i agree with everyone else, don't do it if it makes you feel uncomfortable, hell i wouldn't do it cause it kinda creeps me out pretty bad o_o;
kappyjeanne
Jan. 4th, 2011 04:38 pm (UTC)
There's a lot of suggestions urging you towards the best scenario in this, but personally I try to take odd suggestions and drawings outside of my comfort zone (regarding morale, obviously) are a tremendous benefit to my artistic skill.

Taking on a challenge at the proper time can mean some new development. Drawing only what we want all the time can get rather repetitive, and without a challenge our skills never really develop.

You are entitled to always decline pieces, but if there isn't a morale conflict (or TOS conflict) I encourage you to give it your best. Especially if its a request - there's no payment involved and its a great opportunity for you to try something different. Variety is the spice of life, after all (:
louveg
Jan. 5th, 2011 12:34 am (UTC)
I agree with you in that requests out of your comfort zone can be just what you need. It's kind of hard on your own to go "Meh, I'm gonna try something I usually avoid...". Having someone with a passion pushing your back helps immensly in motivating you to try and push your limits and that's how you really evolve.

But to your "Taking on a challenge at the proper time" I would add "with the proper client". For the client makes all the difference IMO when trying something new and uncomfortable.

I was commissioned for things that I felt I would not be able to render properly to the client's satisfaction. In one case, I just bit the bullet and worked and re-worked. It was one of those commissions that I first refused and had the client ask for something different but then the client changed the piece so very slowly during the process that in the end it was exactly what I had refused to do in the first place. I just shut my mouth about it and continued to kick myself into doing it anyway, making change after change to try and get closer to the client's requests. The whole process disgusted me so much that in the end, the art piece was very poor because I hated working on it.
The second time I got a request out of my comfort zone, I started by exposing my concerns to my client, explaining I wasn't certain I would be able to deliver what I thought she was expecting. We discussed it and came to a mutual agreement. I pushed myself over my limits for this piece but since it was done in harmony with the client, I enjoyed the process and it showed immensely in the art.

The fact here that the artist ends her post by saying "at this point i just want to bow out of it" makes me believe that the problem is not so much the subject as the client that is making the artist uncomfortable.
I'd be weary of someone being pushy when I told them I cannot/do not wish to do their request as is (though it probably would've been best to straight up say "I'm not yet comfortable in my skills enough to draw suggestive poses like this, is there anything else you'd like?" or something... always keep the door open for the client's input, they like that. hehe).
This may be me being a paranoid elitist but the message starting with "!!!" and the "if u clicked on the links u would know" would make me very nervous. This sounds like someone I will never be able to satisfy anyway and I personally would not really feel like working with this person, challenge or not, specially for free.

Hence I think why most people are saying "If you're not comfortable with this transaction, you're allowed to end it."

Besides, there is technically a TOS conflict...

The way I understood FA's stand regarding Sonic characters, it doesn't matter what age they really are, if it looks like a kid to the general public, it will be considered like a kid and therefore any porn including the character will be considered child porn and not be allowed on the site. Therefore, if the icons were to be used/shown on FA, they'd be violating the TOS.

I agree the request itself is a nice opportunity to try something new and challenging. And the icon does not HAVE to be used on FA and as long as the artist does not post it to her gallery, no problem.
However the artist said she offered those icon commissions to get known. A request that she will not be able to show off is not really fulfilling its original purpose.

(sorry for the TL,DR there... I hadn't noticed I was on a roll like that... lol)
kappyjeanne
Jan. 5th, 2011 06:04 am (UTC)
I did state, "if there isn't a morale conflict (or TOS conflict) I encourage you to give it your best."

Clearly I don't think this is the best situation to try this in, but I wanted to offer an alternate opinion. Every other response on this post seem more focused around declining anything that you don't want to draw, I wanted to offer the positive that could come of subject matter you don't enjoy drawing. Not necessarily subject matter that offends you, or is against the Terms of Service.
louveg
Jan. 5th, 2011 11:49 am (UTC)
Oh, sorry! My bad, I read it as though you meant this particular situation. :)
lady_tanya
Jan. 5th, 2011 04:58 am (UTC)
That's just....creepy!

At any rate, if you do break down and draw this, I suspect they will endlessly hound you for creepier free stuff. I say just stick to your guns, and bear the flames for a while. Shame what ppl think they can get for free.
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