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Toxicko / intravenous / SA2

First time posting here, never thought I would ever have to. This tale dates back to early 09. I'm linked to Toxicko's art by a friend and dig the style. I pope em a note asking about if he/she is open for commissions which was promptly replied to with a big yes. We talked out the details and it came down to an inked, multi-paged comic at a flat price of 50 dollars. Now here's the big mistake I made which lead to this post...I actually trusted the bugger and paid upfront the entire 50 smackers.

Fast forwards 3 - 4 months and i've heard nothing from him after being told that sketches would be up rather quickly for me to confirm character detail stuff which there was nothing of the sort done. So I send him a note and ask him what's up and if everything's alright with the art. I wait a couple of weeks and then poke again after no-response. another week later and he finally responds with a story involving a busy college schedule and that now he would be free to get the sketches out and would be able to finish sketching out the entire comic within the month.

Weeeeell that never happens, a couple of months go by and there's silence with no-contact with em so I poke him again with a note..it's been QUITE some time and there have been many promises of some sort of sketch work and even an 'omg free sketch for being so patient' but then I was still getting no response. I only later got a response out of him when I mentioned wanting some of of money back with the wait and that having paid upfront usually meant a quick turn-around.

He finally responds a few days later with some quick rough sketch that was of only the head and a partial of the upperbody...a bust-shot even. after that Toxico seemed to disappear from the net and stopped to responding to any and all notes. 2010 arrives and I find out the bugger had abandoned his DA and run off to join FA and had been QUITE active, so I poke em and ask for my money back since it just wasn't worth the wait from someone that didn't seem to want to do the work and apparently tried to run off with the money.


He responds almost immediately with a sob-story of his DA account not being able to look at notes or see comments and says he'll give me only part of my money back due to the previous work done...of which there was only one bit done and that was very rough sketch done after QUITE a few months. I say fine because I just wanted to be done with things and get SOME of my wated money back...well Toxico then tries to pull a disappearing act by abandoning that account as well.

I only recently found out from someone that he had two other accounts on FA which he was quite active on which it seemed was just to avoid the Toxicko one and the whole refund ordeal...so yeah this bugger is rather shady. Since I sent notes to his other two FA accounts he started a mass "DELETE IT ALL" campaign on them, just leaving FAV+'s behind along with the DA account having been deactivated.

So beware. o.o;

http://www.furaffinity.net/user/intravenous/
http://www.furaffinity.net/user/sa2/
http://www.furaffinity.net/user/toxicko
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marus_puppy
Dec. 19th, 2010 04:01 pm (UTC)
Do you have any screen shots of the interactions or the picture he "completed" for you? He sounds like a pretty shady character, all in all, but if you have any screencaps or anything, that'd be great to have.
toonishvulpine
Dec. 20th, 2010 07:43 am (UTC)
I can get screen caps yeah, just not sure of how to post em on here...never had to post on here before >.<
toonishvulpine
Dec. 20th, 2010 08:01 am (UTC)
Here's the bit he did after QUITE a good few months...the only thing I ever saw out of em. http://i41.tinypic.com/5x0s36.png was from a bookmarked link...not sure how to get the notes put into postable things that are not spammy.
marus_puppy
Dec. 20th, 2010 05:28 pm (UTC)
Yeah, adding pictures is the trickiest part of posting stuff on LJ. If you upload them to photobucket or another such site, you can just link them, I believe. Otherwise you can go back, edit the post, click the "insert image" button and upload it from there, but if you do it that way, you might want to put it behind a cut.
marus_puppy
Dec. 21st, 2010 04:54 pm (UTC)
They're a little small to read. I'm not sure how to make them bigger (my computer skills are extremely lacking at times) but if you can figure that out and then add them to the main post, you're good to go!
toonishvulpine
Dec. 22nd, 2010 12:51 am (UTC)
Well crap >.
lilenth
Dec. 19th, 2010 04:48 pm (UTC)

This post could do with some evidence to back it up.

Also note, $50 is -dirt cheap- for multiple inked comic pages, comic pages normally cost about $200 a piece, if something seems too good to be true, it usually is.
spiffystuff
Dec. 20th, 2010 03:39 am (UTC)
It can depend on the type of comic (I've seen some comics on FA that are mostly headshots of characters talking that look like they're probably fairly quick to do)
I'd say comics normally start at $50 a page, and yeah $200 and up is normal too.

But $50 for MULTIPLE pages? I would be /very dubious/!
lilenth
Dec. 20th, 2010 04:39 am (UTC)

I was more thinking of the standard prices, we know the furry fandom tends towards ridiculously low prices (and often the level of what's produced reflects that price) but most of the world outside of the furry fandom puts a higher price on such work because it's finicky stuff to do.
spiffystuff
Dec. 20th, 2010 04:48 am (UTC)
meh, I don't think it's "furry" so much as "amateurs"
By which I mean folks who don't really do art for their full time job.
I'm pretty sure you can find similar prices on deviantart, comics forums, etc. Of course, the quality you get for a $50 comic will show :P
toonishvulpine
Dec. 20th, 2010 07:44 am (UTC)
Indeed got evidence in the form of screen-capped notes, just not sure on how to go about posting them here. >.
stormslegacy
Dec. 19th, 2010 05:23 pm (UTC)
How much was the refund he offered?

Definitely does not excuse the behavior at all (he should have refunded you outright when he first ran into trouble) It looks like he significantly undersold himself and couldn't get it done--$50 for all that is cents per hour in the long run o.O that's seriously insanely low for what you are asking. That doesn't make his behavior OK, but in the future avoid "deals" like that because you are significantly more likely to have trouble in the end.

toonishvulpine
Dec. 20th, 2010 07:47 am (UTC)
From what he said it'd be just a 'partial' and eh yeah it was my first fark-up. Was bound to happen sooner or later. I have a shot of the sketch he did along with screen-shottable notes of his/her grand return.
jakejynx
Dec. 19th, 2010 09:01 pm (UTC)
I dunno where you're from, but some people will probably see "bugger" as an expletive, so you may want to consider changing that.

As far as the commission goes, the situation sucks. $50 is incredibly cheap for a multi-page comic, like Lilenth said. Too good to be true, but nobody can fault you for wanting it to be true. :\
demonofdreams
Dec. 20th, 2010 04:54 pm (UTC)
I'd like to see a screenshot of the note he sent you about dA not working for him. I've had that issue before, it's not a problem with my browser, and the page either never loads completely, or doesn't load your message centre or notes.

However, that issue doesn't explain the rest of his behaviour, so echoing lilenth...more evidence would be useful.
toonishvulpine
Apr. 18th, 2012 11:03 pm (UTC)
Issues been resolved
The issues been long-resolved. Completely forgot about this post. @>@
kerstin_orion
Apr. 18th, 2012 11:09 pm (UTC)
Re: Issues been resolved
Glad the issue has been resolved! I've updated the tags accordingly.
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