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Issues: Mewsagi

I had browsed this community many moons ago and thought it was a neat idea. Never had I thought that I would have to post here about an artist or commissioner.

Now, before I begin, I will say that this is resolved for the most part.

So, back in December 2009, a popular Mew/Mewtwo artist by the name of Mewsagi (Mewsagi on deviantART, and I think she goes by the same name on FA) opened up for a bunch of $5 chibi commissions. She took several of them, managing to finish a few in a few weeks. She has beautiful art, so I couldn't pass up the chance to buy two chibis from her of some Organization XIII characters of mine.

Soon, she begins posting art she did for herself and some birthday gifts for friends. She posts 18 of her own pics before doing another commission. She posts another 17 pics for herself until she posted two badges she was paid for.

I really hate deviantART's date system, as I don't know when the hell 15 weeks and 1 day ago was. But when I noted her, I wasn't wondering about the progress of my commission, but rather if it was too late to change what I wanted. I think she assumed I was rushing her and blurted out with an excuse that her parents were both sick and that she wasn't feeling well either. I could understand her situation, since my dad is very ill with cancer and I would put everything on hold to care for him. I didn't think anything of it until today, when I noted her with:


I'm noting you concerning my commission. I know you've been having IRL issues with your dad and being sick too. I know exactly how you feel, as my own father is very sick. It's very stressful.

I truly empathize with you, but you have been posting your personal artwork instead of commissions. While I and many others enjoy your work, I think people that commissioned you would be more than happy to receive the art that they paid for after they commissioned you more than 9 months ago.

If you are unable to go through with my commission for whatever reason, I would like a refund. I am willing to wait a little longer for the chibis, but in the future, please realize that your personal artwork comes second to artwork that people have bought from you.

Thanks. :)

To which she responds:

Yes i know, i would have finished at least a few before i disappeared two months ago, but i kept asking myself what's more important '' finishing the stuff i owe my commissioners '' or '' my father's life ''..

And trust me, i love my father very much and it hurts to see him what he's going through ever since this started in april.

The newest stuff that i have been posting was mean't to be posted before i left two month's ago, since they were sitting aside for week's, i tried to finish a few commissions, but the way my mind and body is right now, i just can't seem to think, i just keep thinking about my dad, i'm worried what's going to happen.

And since this is the 8th note i got similar to what you've just said, and i kept on telling my reason, my father is ill, why can't you guy's see that.. it seem's my message just goes right through them, they want to commission more, and ignore my father's illness..

Give me your e-mail adress, i'll refund your money.

She makes a journal about it telling all of her commissioners (that's 13 people on queue) that she'll refund money and saying that all people care about it art and that no one cared about what she was going through. I instantly feel guilty for noting her concerning my commissions, but she had 9 months to work on commissions instead of posting artwork she did for herself. This is advice to artist who take commissions: Artwork for yourself comes second to anything you've been paid to do. It's disrespectful and shows you don't care. I did care about Mewsagi's issues, though she claims I don't. I am practically in the same spot she is, but she decided to guilt trip me and possibly other customers.

I was refunded my money... in Canadian money instead of USD, turning $10 into $8, but I decided not to care because she's already stressed as it is. Mewsagi is a great artist, but if you want to commission her, realize that her stuff is going to come before yours.

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Aug. 13th, 2010 08:50 pm (UTC)
I have a bit of an issue with your point of:
"Artwork for yourself comes second to anything you've been paid to do. It's disrespectful and shows you don't care."

I work on my commissions for the majority of my day, but I also need to do personal art too. Sometimes its to vent, sometimes it's for a project and sometimes it's for fun. I will post personal art as I finish it just as I post my paid work.

I guess what I'm saying is that artists deserve their own time just as much as any other worker. If all someone does for months is personal art, that's unfair, but I think that statement is unfair.
Aug. 13th, 2010 08:57 pm (UTC)
But my statement still holds true. You say you work on your stuff between commissions. Your leisure came after work. :) I do often work on things inbetween commission work myself, but she was just putting it off and off and off, posting lots of personal work over a period of months with only one commission inbetween them.
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Aug. 13th, 2010 09:15 pm (UTC)
I don't quite like how she's pretty much saying "Why can't you be patient, I have troublessss, baw". I mean, I understand having troubles, but 9 months is a long time.

Though I would like to say that, while I do agree commissions are more important then personal art, that doesn't mean you should do none while you have work to do. I'd go nuts and feel bad if I couldn't draw for myself in between commissions

But yes, more commission work then personal art on her part should be done.
Aug. 13th, 2010 09:20 pm (UTC)
"what's more important '' finishing the stuff i owe my commissioners '' or '' my father's life '"

Wait, so doing commissions would kill her father? But doing her own art doesn't hurt anything in such case? I don't even know how to process that.

On the other hand,
"Artwork for yourself comes second to anything you've been paid to do. It's disrespectful and shows you don't care."
While I agree, 15-17 finished illustrations for yourself between each small commission is ridiculous if you've taken on a good sized load. But it's equally ridiculous to expect an artist to draw nothing but what you paid them to after you've sent the money. Art doesn't work like that for most artists, and to expect such is setting yourself up for disappointment.

Typically that sort of mindset is what will end up shoving an artist into a rushed poor quality picture.

But you can't expect an artist to produce what you want them to the second you ask of them and nothing else, AND expect it to be their best quality. Artists need to draw little things for themselves too, and it's no disrespect to the commissioner if they're drawing their own stuff to get warmed up before a commission. In fact I typically prefer this because I find the happier and less rushed the artist, the better the quality.

I will repeat though, of course, 15+ illustrations between each single commission on top of a nearly year long wait time IS ridiculous.
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Aug. 13th, 2010 09:46 pm (UTC)

If her father was really at the base of this, I think that she'd simply refund people and be done with it so she could take the time to care for him while not having to worry about outstanding work.

The guilt trip is just unbelievable as well. Some people really need to learn that everyone has problems and that their problems are not any bigger than anyone elses, nor do they deserve endless amounts of time to sort out their obligations. People may well empathize with her about her father being sick but they're not required to do so.

Personally I don't believe that clients are obligated to be compassionate and understanding about an artist's life problems. As an artist, I certain appreciate that a lot are willing to be understanding, but I don't get people who take it for granted and expect it. Just because someone paid you to do something does not mean they're your friend and are required to have patience with you.

I think it's the same vice versa as well. I just don't get why so often people persist in treating transactions like friendships.
Aug. 13th, 2010 09:48 pm (UTC)
but i kept asking myself what's more important '' finishing the stuff i owe my commissioners '' or '' my father's life ''..

Pack your bags kids, we're goin' on a guilt trip! :D

This kind of thing is sickening. Yes, unforeseen circumstances come into play. Shit happens, shit gets side-tracked. HOWEVER, if she were so swamped with taking care of her father then she should be spending less time whining at her customers and more time apologizing and refunding them. End of story.

Also, refunding you in CAD is kind of a crap move. PayPal lets you pick which currency to use and converts it automatically. The least she could have done is checked what country you live in instead of short-changing you after the exchange. Lame!

Edit: Grammar and added stuff.

Edited at 2010-08-13 09:50 pm (UTC)
Aug. 14th, 2010 09:42 am (UTC)
As far as CAD goes... to be fair, I think the OP was exaggerating a tad. To the best of my recollection, the loonie hasn't gone as low as the OP describes in years. We're close to par now. I don't know when the OP was refunded, but if it were today (just as an example), he would have received $10 CAD = $9.60 USD. Not much of a difference.

Of course, it was still a crap move, I agree, but that $8 USD = $10 USD kind of made me double take. :P
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Aug. 13th, 2010 09:56 pm (UTC)
Regarding her reply, I hope someday she realizes that an apostrophe is not punctuation for HOLY SHIT HERE COMES AN S. Or the last consonant in any arbitrary word.

/grammar Nazi

I get that some people have RL issues they have to deal with, anyone that's done enough commissions (including myself) will have something come up at some point or another that pushes other obligations to the back burner...and I get that everyone needs to do a little personal art now and then too. But in my opinion it's really unprofessional to make/post that much personal art when you have a queue, especially when you've got something like 13 (!) people waiting. Yikes. I also agree with chronidu..."so doing commissions would kill her father?" It's one thing to have a legitimate sob story, it's another thing to play it for all the sympathy, leeway, and guilt you can get.

Glad she at least refunded your money, though, even if some of it was lost in conversion. :(
Aug. 13th, 2010 11:28 pm (UTC)
Regarding her reply, I hope someday she realizes that an apostrophe is not punctuation for HOLY SHIT HERE COMES AN S. Or the last consonant in any arbitrary word.

This made me laugh so hard. Also, agreed with your comment entirely.
Aug. 13th, 2010 10:13 pm (UTC)
I get what you're saying about artists doing work for themselves. Every artist needs that unwinding period. A solution that I employ is not posting up my personal artworks. I do what I need to do but I don't flaunt it. Or do a 1:1 ratio. One commission goes up, then a personal work. It's less frustrating to commissioners, especially when they are waiting patiently.

As for the 'my father's life' bit- you sound like a reasonable, compassionate person, but to the other people questioning the length of time, if they are the primary caregiver to their father, or even just 50% it can be mentally and emotionally draining or even physically.

What would probably be best for this person is just refunding their commissioners and wait until they're emotionally ready to deal.

Edited at 2010-08-13 10:16 pm (UTC)
Aug. 13th, 2010 10:52 pm (UTC)
I'm sorry you had to put up with that. -hugs-

Really, her sick father has nothing to do with finishing commissions slowly. I took care of my dying father by myself for five years. During the first two years, I also had to care for my older sister during her battle with cancer and her teenage son. We beat it that time, she got better, sadly, right before daddy died it returned and this time, it took her from us. Now, I could not have a job away from home, so I settled with making silly little things, like tails for halloween or barbie dresses or I'd just plain root around in the attic and garage for random stuff. My daddy was such a packrat!

Main point is, my dad was so bad, he'd stop breathing three/four times an hour, his heart would stop beating multiple times a day and I had to move him around and such because he was too weak to do it himself and I still made time to do things like making stuff, hunting up anything worth something or digging about for scraps while caring for him. I had too because the state though dad was well enough to go and get another job. He wasn't bad enough for SSI! This was the only way we had food and money for things we needed.

I wasn't going to comment, but seeing that she was trying to guilt trip people makes me very disgusted. Just because I did other things as well as care for my dad, does that mean I love him any less because I knew we had to live off of something? -_-
Aug. 13th, 2010 11:30 pm (UTC)
You probably have the best response to this. I'm sorry you went through such a hard time with your dad and sister. *hug* I sympathize completely.

It seems like a time management thing, to me. My mom is very sick right now and my dad helps her around, but he also works from home as a project manager, so he's in the basement a lot. If he's got time to work, take meetings, do some errands, some other chores around the house (fixing things, mowing the lawn, etc.) and STILL help my mom when she needs it, he's managing his time really well.

If Mewsagi can't rearrange her schedule to care for her dad as well as take on commission work and doing whatever else she needs to do AND her personal art...? She's doing it wrong.
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Aug. 13th, 2010 11:49 pm (UTC)
Just wanted to say I'm sorry to hear of your father's illness and I wish him all the best in fight.
Aug. 14th, 2010 12:21 am (UTC)
Thanks so much for your wishes :) -hugs-
Aug. 14th, 2010 02:40 am (UTC)
Sorry you had to put up with this. I hate how she's obviously using her father's illness to try and guilt-trip you when you've obviously been very understanding and polite. That is ridiculous, and you should not feel guilty at all about asking her about the progress of your commission. She probably does need some sympathy but she needs to realize that it's incredibly immature of her to be going "why can't you understand what I'm going through none of you care about me bawwww" when you yourself were being completely polite and reasonable. :l
Aug. 14th, 2010 03:44 am (UTC)
Echoing what others have said, if her dad's illness is really cramping her commissions she should be the first to offer refunds, so she has one less thing to worry about, not using it as an excuse to leave people hanging for months on end, try to get them to feel bad for asking for progress or refunds.
That's... kinda despicable really.
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