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Positive reviews.

So it seems like every time we allow a positive review post into the community, we get complaints about it even though they're allowed via the rules. For the record, please don't do that, it's not fair to the OP.

We discussed putting up a poll, but ultimately decided to make a post inviting all of you to share your thoughts about positive feedback/reviews here in artists_beware. We're asking people who are both for and against having them to argue their points here. If need be, we can make a poll for it later, but we'd rather hear good points for both sides instead of just giving something for people to click.

So, do you want positive reviews gone? Why?

Do you want to keep them? Why?

EDIT: I think it's important to note since it keeps being brought up that this community was made in 2003. Artistrecommend was nowhere near around back then.

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weirdmisty
Jun. 25th, 2010 10:32 pm (UTC)
I don't mind at all that they periodically pop up, and think that seeing them every so often is actually nice little morale booster for artists and commissioners, to keep us from falling into thinking that every transaction ends up being a bad one. However, I fear that if they become too frequent, they will end up overtaking the community's primary function.
badkitty
Jun. 26th, 2010 12:40 am (UTC)
seconded!
kytheraen
Jun. 25th, 2010 10:33 pm (UTC)
It's nice that they're infrequent. I worry that if it's made a big deal of, loads of people will post their favourite artists here.

Yeah, what weirdmisty said :P

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westly_roanoke
Jun. 25th, 2010 10:36 pm (UTC)
Personally, if it were me, I'd say we should use Artist recommended. I mean, if I see someone who's name is here it makes me think "Ooh, they've got a beware"

That and people don't seem to get that artist recommended posts are allowable here...
celarania
Jun. 25th, 2010 10:47 pm (UTC)
You hit upon exactly why I'm hesitating. On the one hand, because the recommendations are so infrequent they might appear as a beware, but on the other hand removing any future recommendations only make the current ones look more like bewares.
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paradiseforlorn
Jun. 25th, 2010 10:37 pm (UTC)
Perhaps since there is an Artist Beware, there should be a sister site, called Featured Artists, or something like that... where people can post about Good artists, Good commissioners and so on, even good customers.

After all there are 2 sides to every coin.
kayla_la
Jun. 25th, 2010 10:38 pm (UTC)
There is one. artistrecommend. It's not run by us, however.
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kayla_la
Jun. 25th, 2010 10:41 pm (UTC)
(And afaik, I think there's already a community out there meant to praise an artist you've worked with on commissions/trades/etc?)

artistrecommend wasn't around when the rules for this comm were originally made. It's a slightly more recent comm.

It could be dated sometime in the future so it appears at the beginning of the community for easy access.

Unfortunately, you aren't able to backlist communities, only personal journals.
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poto_heart
Jun. 25th, 2010 10:42 pm (UTC)
I do like them occasionally, but I think it would defeat the purpose of the comm if they became too frequent.

Maybe instead of allowing stand-alone positive reviews, a mod could do a monthly 'good reviews/recommendations' post and people could recount any good experiences they'd had that month (or in the past that they hadn't said anything about yet) in the comments? Just a thought.
starcharmer
Jun. 25th, 2010 11:17 pm (UTC)
I like this idea. People who want to post recommends should do it in the community specifically for that.

Like others have said, it doesn't BOTHER me when someone pops up here as a recommend but again, as others have said, I remember NAMES that were posted here. Not necessarily the posts that went with them. Unless I go back and double check, I might end up remembering that someone was posted here and assume it was a negative review rather than a positive one.

The community is -called- artists_beware. I think it should be kept that way.

But poto_heart's idea about making a post once a month or so for recommendations is a good compromise.
fatkraken
Jun. 25th, 2010 10:43 pm (UTC)
I prefer them to be avoided. The community is called Artists Beware, not artists review, positive reviews are outside the remit. I'm all for positive reviews being posted, just not here.

It's a matter of about 3 seconds to join Artistrecommend or similar, people who want to see positive reviews can see them very easily.
girlomega
Jun. 25th, 2010 10:44 pm (UTC)
I agree with everyone else saying that they are afraid it might detract from the point of the community: To warn people about bad artists/commissioners, not to give people pats on the backs.

But I DO like seeing mentions of good artists because I'm not a member of any of the coms that promote artists, as I'm not able to commission anyone right now, but perhaps... having a weekly post where people can post in the comments about artists they've had good experiences with? Like a themed post, somewhat.
alexds1
Jun. 25th, 2010 10:47 pm (UTC)
I'd rather they weren't posted here, just because this is a beware site. It sort of dilutes the "bewarishness" (haha), and there are certainly other sites to find great people to commission if that is the goal. I wouldn't stop here to find an artist, thats for sure.
grygon
Jun. 25th, 2010 10:55 pm (UTC)
I don't mind them at all, tell the whiners to stfu can't they read the rules?
fatkraken
Jun. 25th, 2010 11:00 pm (UTC)
the rules were written before there was the option to join a recommendation community, of which there are now several

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notorious_hunty
Jun. 25th, 2010 11:01 pm (UTC)
Why not, if you ask me. Every so often I'd like to hear about an artist that didn't screw anyone over. T_T I'd rather see it on one community rather than going on multiple ones.
snobahr
Jun. 25th, 2010 11:49 pm (UTC)
This.

Frankly, I would prefer not to join yet another art-related community, mainly because names will get posted, by those warning and those praising. Not everyone keeps a running scorecard next to their computers or in their art collections, so names get twigged, often without remembering what sort of community the name was seen on.

It's not like there isn't an index of tags one can use to look up JoeFurryArtist, and see how many or what sort of feedback has been given about him.

msmanuscript
Jun. 25th, 2010 11:14 pm (UTC)
Considering as the title of the journal is "A Community to Warn Others of Good, Bad, and Ugly Commissioners" I say we stick to that. The good, the bad, and the ugly. We've seen the ugly so many times. And the bad come in hordes. Now and then, the good is a great thing to see.

Perhaps if there's a "limit" to them. They don't pop up all that much, but for the piece of mind that will keep people from posting all of their favorite artists here. Something like:

"Must have a minimum of five transactions with the good-review, and span over the time of two years." Then it shows that the person is reliable time and time again, and over time as well. Then it keeps the community to a beware, with a level of promotion. The posts come so rarely, I don't think that a limitation is needed. But I know it'll give some people some breathing room if they think it'll pop up more often than not.
dimespin
Jun. 25th, 2010 11:42 pm (UTC)
I've seen the phrasing "[artist] has been posted on Artists Beware," "[Artist] was bewared" and "I'm going to beware you." which shows that people are truncating the community's purpose and thus stereotyping what it does and what it's for and what it means to show up here, for the purposes of simplicity.

Whether this means the community should follow this trend or not I have no opinion one way or the other.
kerstin_orion
Jun. 26th, 2010 03:42 am (UTC)
LOL We've been verbed? Score! We're big-time now!
koisnake
Jun. 25th, 2010 11:55 pm (UTC)
When I see somebody posted here, I automatically assume it is for a bad reason since this is Artist_BEWARE. It's like posting about dogs in a cats community.. sure, they're both pets, but it will just confuse people.
herraardy
Jun. 25th, 2010 11:56 pm (UTC)
I like the idea of either removing the good messages, because being mentioned within this community is never considered a good thing, or doing something like poto_heart's idea.

Most all of my times commissioning or being commissioned have turned out just fine. I have MANY more positive reviews than negative reviews... but those would just be boring as all that means is the person is doing exactly what they should be. It's like saying, "I ordered something from X online store and it actually showed up!" Unless someone is going above and beyond, then there's no real reason to say anything... at least in its own post.
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