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Part Two - Chapdav

I would have just edited my last post, but upon waking up to finding a PayPal dispute in my inbox, I feel this deserves its own post, for the sake of bringing the commissioner into public light.



So, the commissioner in this case, who I will now openly identify as Chapdav, is apparently a big child.

After following the advice from users here, I sent Chapdav this note:

I'm going to be very frank about this. I did tell you ahead of time that I hardly ever get any work done during my "weekend," which is mid-week. While I can understand your desire to want to keep on top of the status, I do have to say that I found your IMs to be bordering on a stalker-ish level of creepy.

Since you've already paid for the first image, I will go ahead and finish that one. I have started working on it, but there's quite a bit of work that goes into something from that angle, as I discovered from the last one I did, so it may still not be until later tonight that I get any sort of decent sketch out (I quoted 2 weeks completion, and half of that is the sketch process).

However, because of the frankly frightening attitude of the last set of IMs I woke up to today, I feel that I have no choice but to cancel the other four commissions. With everything going on in my personal life right now, I can't handle demanding clients.


This is the first note (sent in duplicate, as every. single. one of his notes are):

i'm sorry for seemign demanding or creepy i'm just very unsure with new commissioners. I apologize if i cam eoff that way. I've been ripped off a few tiems and i just want ot make sure things are getting worked on and not lagged. I said the one this mornign because tht is what fa said ot me. "your note was ignored" I hat ehtat you found my notes creepy. As I said i'm just nervous I'd like to keep workign with you if we could work this thing out.


I did not get that note until about ten minutes ago, since I went out for supper with my husband shortly after sending mine, and then went to bed shortly after getting back from home. This would have been around 10am PST. As I said in my previous post, my husband works graves, and since I currently rely on commissions as my only source of income, I like to match his schedule, otherwise I'd never see him.

After waking up, I notice an email from PayPal.

XXXXXXXXXXX has opened a dispute over the payment made to you on May
22, 2010 indicating that they never received the item.


It took me a moment to figure out what this was meant to be, until I saw the $50 amount down at the bottom. I immediately rush to my FA inbox, and sure enough, I see this:

I think its best you don't do any of the pics since you dont' want ot do it it win't be yoru best work and therefor I don't want to pay for it. Please refund my money.


He didn't even wait for me to respond to his first note. He just filed a claim and fucked up my PayPal account, which has funds in it that I NEED for this stuff I'm doing next month.

My response:

You didn't have to open a dispute. You completely fucked up my PayPal account. Expect counter-action.


His response:

You i didn't hear from you all day and after you've ignored my notes i had ot make sure i woudlnt' lose my moneyhave to open a dispute. You completely fucked up my PayPal account. Expect counter-action.


In case you can't tell what he's trying to say, he failed at cutting out half of my note. It took me a moment to realise that.

Shortly after, I received this in my inbox:

refund my money and i wont' escalate it to a claim and if you try anythign else i'll alert payapl that you are selling adult art and yoru accoutn will be permanently blocked so just refund the money and we will go our separate ways



This is still ongoing. I have since refunded his money, and I will keep you updated.





ETA that isn't: Just as I was going to post this, I received this email:

If there's one thing I really hate it's someone who doesn't uphold his or her word. I was fine to let you and David do your thing so to speak. But since you HAD to threaten him, I'm afraid you crossed the line.

You have no idea who you are dealing with. I would suggest that you take a DEEP breath, calm yourself before things spin WAY beyond your control as they are beginning to do. I know all about the situation and rest assured, YOU will come out the loser.

All I can say about what's coming your way is you brought it on yourself. Be proud you cock-sucking cunt.


It was sent from Yahoo address rleelee9999@yahoo.com, with the name "False," however I'm almost completely positive that this was a fur called Starsage (Star_Sage on FA).

I also just received this note:

LOL, and you'll never be able ot take another and i've posted yoru info there as well alogn with some pending comments form some people you may know. I'm reporting yout ot paypal as we speak so have fun



Again, I'll keep you posted.


ETA: I've just received this email from Star_Sage:

OOOOHHH, I'm sooooo scared! Please! DO that! I would LOVE it! It's not as if anything YOU do is considered art anyway. I hope you have another job since this will NO LONGER be anything you will EVER be able to make money on again!

Oh, and by the way don't threaten those you don't know. I have more information that you could ever hope to block or gather in your lifetime. Rest assured you will be known World-wide and not just in that rare, sheltered hole you live in.

Bring it on bitch!


I have ignored it, except to post here.


ETA: I have since emailed Dragoneer directly about this, and am awaiting his response.


ETA Again: As promised to Chapdav, I would like to retract Star_Sage's name from this. I've managed to get in some somewhat civil contact, and it seems as though Chapdav was letting StarSage take the fall by not telling me who sent the emails.

At this point, I've no idea who sent the emails.


ETA to the ETA: I've gotten in contact with the person on my FA journal that Kanagroo_Boy had mentioned. It seems as though K_B was just recounting a rumour that they've heard, and there wasn't much truth in their statement.

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synviver
May. 30th, 2010 04:49 am (UTC)
All I can say to this is wow and that I am SO sorry you are having to deal with such idiocy. I really hope that you can get everything sorted out, and I would seriously suggest contacting Paypal and showing them those notes. See if you can't file a counter-claim and cite that you issued the refund under duress or something. D:
alpha_orionis_v
May. 30th, 2010 04:51 am (UTC)
I am in the process of doing just that. I can probably have their account/s banned for this, because I've had my safety blatantly threatened.
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weirdmisty
May. 30th, 2010 04:53 am (UTC)
What the hell? Is there some backstory to the second person getting involved, or is that totally out of the blue?
alpha_orionis_v
May. 30th, 2010 04:55 am (UTC)
The second person commissioned me a few weeks ago, and they were the one who recommended me to Chapdav.

That's how I'm so sure it actually was StarSage.
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ashleyvsdestiny
May. 30th, 2010 04:54 am (UTC)
...Told you he'd be a psycho... o.o;;;;
alpha_orionis_v
May. 30th, 2010 04:55 am (UTC)
No, you totally called it.
ashleyvsdestiny
May. 30th, 2010 05:03 am (UTC)
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1383239/

Hey guys, do you think Chapdav should be advertising on FA that he'll mod your Wii of 360? Hang on, I'm filing a trouble ticket. :3
rainbow_gash
May. 30th, 2010 05:17 am (UTC)
<3
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jakejynx
May. 30th, 2010 05:04 am (UTC)
Oh WOW...
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celestinaketzia
May. 30th, 2010 05:09 am (UTC)
I've already commented on your journal, but I think the blackmail is enough to turn over to an admin. They didn't even give you a day to respond to them!
baronyiffington
May. 30th, 2010 05:11 am (UTC)
This is a really terrible experience, I'm sure, and the internet tough guy-ism on the second e-mailer's part is pretty silly.

Though, I am kind of curious as to how you managed to know the second person is indeed Starsage. You seem to jump straight from the e-mail to "I'm almost completely positive". Is there any proof?
alpha_orionis_v
May. 30th, 2010 05:13 am (UTC)
StarSage sent this Chapdav fellow over to me last week. Like I said, I'm almost positive that it's him, on the grounds that he knew this guy by first name and he was so quick to jump in.
hobokitten
May. 30th, 2010 05:20 am (UTC)
Well I can easily assure that these two will never get a commission from me.
protocollie
May. 30th, 2010 05:42 am (UTC)
hahahahaha poser art

the height of failure
jakejynx
May. 30th, 2010 05:47 am (UTC)
...what?
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kohaku_chimaera
May. 30th, 2010 05:48 am (UTC)
I can't seem to find the first post, if there was one?

Regardless, what a screw-up! It's bad enough that the commissioner himself is acting so childish, but that random uninvolved person popping in and threatening you is just so uncalled for! D:

Ugh, I hope you get this sorted out. :/
alpha_orionis_v
May. 30th, 2010 05:49 am (UTC)
It's about two posts down on the main page: http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/328119.html
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dripbat
May. 30th, 2010 05:58 am (UTC)
Blocked them both as well, what the heck? I'm so sorry you're having to deal with all this. Thats just apalling that people would treat you like this when you were only being honest and not wanting to complete sub-par artwork. D:
alpha_orionis_v
May. 30th, 2010 06:02 am (UTC)
I put a lot of thought into my artwork because I really enjoy doing it. I don't care that it doesn't pay as well as a full-time job; this is what I want to do with myself right now. If I just rush through something, it really shows, I think. I know some artists can rush through stuff and you can't really tell, but I guess if you want something done in five days, they're the person you might as well commission, then.
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leahtaur
May. 30th, 2010 06:06 am (UTC)
WHOA, look at Chapdav's main page. Accusations be flying. His newest journal too.

http://www.furaffinity.net/user/chapdav
alpha_orionis_v
May. 30th, 2010 06:08 am (UTC)
Oh, that's rich.
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spiffystuff
May. 30th, 2010 06:08 am (UTC)
I'm a little confused - did you send them any other notes since the "You didn't have to open a dispute. You completely fucked up my PayPal account. Expect counter-action. " one?

Are the "threats" they're getting all in arms about the phrase "Expect counter-action." or did you tell them something else?
alpha_orionis_v
May. 30th, 2010 06:10 am (UTC)
I sent them notes this morning, which they replied to while I was asleep. Before I could respond to them, they opened a dispute, which is why I sent that note.

I think PayPal even has a 30-day policy or something. They opened this commission one week ago today.
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quaylak
May. 30th, 2010 06:31 am (UTC)
Geez, that's ridiculous. :\ I just visited his page and it is completely dedicated to bashing the crap out of you and spamming everyone with his hatred and the "situation," if it should even be called such. It's pretty obvious that he's just throwing a fit over you not responding instantly. Certain people seem to have very extreme entitlement issues in this fandom, which is a real shame considering most artists don't like to be treated like slaves who have to "check in" every couple of hours with progress images.

If anything, I would definitely report him and the other person for harassment and potential drama-spreading. Those insults and threats are totally unecessary and extreme. Thanks for sharing either way, and good luck to you. :C
alpha_orionis_v
May. 30th, 2010 06:33 am (UTC)
I've reported Chapdav to PayPal, and the both of them to FA, and screen capped his profile and journal for records sake.
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