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Paiseley - Looking for Others in CA

Hey all, this is a shout-out to all of the folks that Paiseley has scammed. Specifically, I'm looking for furs who live in the state of California and preferably living in the San Francisco Bay Area or willing to make the trek here for a day if necessary.

For context, I'm planning on filing a Small Claims case against Paisley in June. I have only trivial damages, myself - $30 for two sketchbooks, the same as the court's initial filing fee - but am looking into joining other furs to increase the total damage amount. I'm willing to do the research and legwork if you're willing to supply some details and hopefully show up for the hearing once it's scheduled. Folks have been saying someone should try to hold her accountable - I've got the time and inclination, so I'm going to give it a shot. No promises of course, but I don't think I've got anything to lose, either.

Also, if anyone happens to have her address in California, that would be beyond stellar. I have her old residency, but I'm worried about diversity jurisdiction issues and service of process. If I can prove she's living and doing business in California, there is less to worry about.

Comment here or drop me an email at commodoremarie[at]gmail.com with any questions or if you're interested in helping out. I'm in the thick of finals at the moment, so pardon if I'm a wee bit slow. I'll be getting the paperwork handled in the next twoish weeks so I can file and get a hearing date as early as possible - it's usually a 30 to 90 day wait.

Also, necessary disclaimer: I am not a lawyer so this is in no way an offer of legal services! I'm just one gal trying to use the system the way it's set up to be used.

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skiota
May. 6th, 2010 05:04 am (UTC)
I'm not sure if she does live in California... She posted a journal (7 months ago) about needing a room mate, and quote "We live in Hernando, MS which is actually a really nice, cute community in Northwestern Mississippi"

I don't really follow this artist, but unless she moved in the last 7 months, then it raises some questions.

I know some people said she had a twitter account, but I don't know if the twitter account is the same person without knowing the IP or something. The twitter says she is in california...bit if it's not the same person then it's kind of up in the air.

I'd stick with looking for info on accounts you KNOW are her, and not assuming she has multiples with different names, since there is no way to know that someone isn't lying, or art theft etc.
lichdog
May. 6th, 2010 05:05 am (UTC)
We can conclude she lives in California now because her neonchainsaw account on FA is a memeber of the california furs. We know neonchainsaw is paiseley because her boyfriend phoned her former best friend 2x2l and told her that neonchainsaw was paise.
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chronidu
May. 6th, 2010 05:20 am (UTC)
Well, I live in the bay area but luckily I avoided ever commissioning her. But regardless I give you SERIOUS props for going out of your way to do this. It's about time someone did.
theflamecrow
May. 6th, 2010 05:31 am (UTC)
If she's in the bay area, the easiest way to contact us furs here is the mailing list.

I dunno who she is though.
commodoremarie
May. 6th, 2010 05:33 am (UTC)
I'm the one in the BA (and yay list! I'm on there, just a lurker) - I think she's down in SoCal.
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anuvia
May. 6th, 2010 05:43 am (UTC)
Good luck C:
eenyuwolf
May. 6th, 2010 05:59 am (UTC)
She owes me a Sketchbook, I think it was $15. Sadly I lost any record of this since I think she deleted the journal, I did talk to her about it at AC'09, but then my old email account ate the emails.

So mostly this is my own fault for loosing my info, so I feel like I can't be much help with this besides my word, plus I'm in Michigan. But I wish you luck with this and I'm glad that someone is finally doing something!

Since I lost my proof I kinda chalked it up as a lost cause on my half, but please keep us updated if there are any results!
blasphemusfish
May. 6th, 2010 12:20 pm (UTC)
Did you use paypal? I don't know if it would be possible to dig up the transaction, but I don't know if that would be useful without the emails etc.
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wyngaed
May. 6th, 2010 06:07 am (UTC)
Good luck! She deserves some repercussions for her actions. I'm sure she thinks the internet is free terrain to fuck over whoever she wants, and I know she doesn't have respect for most furries- probably doesn't expect any of them to really have the spine to come after her. She needs to learn you can't just take a shit ton of money from a bunch of innocent people and get away with it.
sigilgoat
May. 6th, 2010 06:11 am (UTC)
I dunno if you're a member there (i forget! :B) but you should probably post this on FD_2 too, since I've read stuff about here there
commodoremarie
May. 6th, 2010 06:13 pm (UTC)
Ooh, I thought about posting there and wasn't sure if I should. I'll take care of that today, though - thanks for suggesting it!
wickedtoff
May. 6th, 2010 07:00 am (UTC)
I'm a firm believer that artists can make mistakes, and while I've never commissioned her myself, I've heard nothing but terrible things. I'm glad to hear some action is being taken.
gingerligress
May. 6th, 2010 07:59 am (UTC)
Best of luck to you. Sadly I'm in Colorado, otherwise I'd help you in any way possible.
lichdog
May. 6th, 2010 12:39 pm (UTC)
OT but sup fellow Colorodo-ian
frazzled_niya
May. 6th, 2010 08:31 am (UTC)
Good luck!!!


Possibly contact anyone who has left a message on her FA page? Both have a lot of complaints and people asking for their money back.

Edited at 2010-05-06 08:33 am (UTC)
littlecrimson
May. 6th, 2010 09:52 am (UTC)
Good luck from another SF-fur. Hopefully folks will finally see some sort of justice :3
animehoneybee
May. 6th, 2010 11:15 am (UTC)
wow! that's great ^^ For all the times people TALK about suing, it's about time someone actually did take a situation like this to court.

I'm not positive it goes for every state, but look up California's Long Arm Statutes. If I remember correctly, when dealing with e-commerce, you can sue someone from outside your jurisdiction if they solicited their business to the internet as a whole, or especially if they solicited to people in your state.

Getting the address seems to be trickier, but best of luck to you!
commodoremarie
May. 6th, 2010 06:37 pm (UTC)
Yeah, Erie doctrine can be strange though with e-commerce. Establishing minimal contacts, primary place of business... eugh. I'm hoping I can show enough for the judge to determine that California has diversity jurisdiction, especially since this is only small claims. Or, if I can get her California address, serve her here and claim convenience even if the judge has to use MS law. If someone turns up who got scammed while she was actually in California - score! Thank you for your thoughts!
claytronic
May. 6th, 2010 01:31 pm (UTC)
I'm sure someone already said this already but ask the Cali groups to make a journal post?
commodoremarie
May. 6th, 2010 06:38 pm (UTC)
I'll work on that this afternoon, good thinking.
anjel_kitty
May. 6th, 2010 02:07 pm (UTC)
I currently live just outside of Hernando, MS (which really isn't the charming little town she makes it out to be) Not entirely sure what help I can provide in that regard, but I'm just throwing it out there all the same.
merystic
May. 6th, 2010 02:17 pm (UTC)
igotrippedoff is a comm ohbuckets started to try and get people who were scammed by Paiseley together and document some of the damages, possibly to put together a law suit. You might try posting there or contacting the members! It'd definitely be a good place to look for people scammed by her anyway (I am among them, though I live in TX and didn't lose much money). I recommend looking there for support and evidence...good luck! I'd love to see some justice brought to her.
commodoremarie
May. 6th, 2010 06:44 pm (UTC)
Oooh! I don't know how I missed that! Thank you very for the head's up, I'll be posting there later today. Man, Paiseley sure got folks pissed at her, didn't she?
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