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To all,

Had a friend direct me here, as I do not know where else to go and what else to do. Maybe I can get some suggestions, but I've already tried quite a bit:

Back at Eurofurence in September 2009, I had the great pleasure to meet gideon_hoss in the dealer's room. I'd met with him before a few times - we were amicable acquaintances, but not truly friends.

He, as per normal for an artist of his popularity, was swamped with work. However, I talked with him about a commission idea I had, concerning one of his 'bestiary' characters from his book which I had bought. In relaying the idea to him, he seemed quite interested, but it still would take a substantial amount of money as the amount of detail inthe picture would have been tremendous.

I agreed, and paid for the picture. I gave him a sheet of card stock and asked him to send it back to me, and keep me apprised by email. I gave him my mailing address and my email address at that time. He said that he would get in touch with me by the end of that week to let me know what had been done.

Week 1 came and went. No response. Same with week two, at which point, since I didn't have Gideon's email address, I sent him a communication via FurAffinity private note.

No response. At the end of week four, I had sent him a second request around October 13. This one he replied back, saying that he was busy from other projects, but that it was 'his bad', and that he really wanted to get this going because he liked the premise. He promised me: "Will give you updates VERY soon."

So I trusted him to it, and waited. And waited. And waited.

November. December. Came and went, no communication. January 6th, sent another PM to him. No resolution.

March 13, I found out from a friend about artists_beware, and decided to give him the benefit of the doubt before I posted here. My friend told me another mutual friend of ours got HIS commission almost immediately after FWA. This indicated to me that his backlog of projects that prevented him from working on mine earlier was cleared, and that he should have at least contacted me about it, if not sent me progress info.

I sent my last and final request for information from him, pleading for some sort of contact, informing how frustrated I was. I even got his email from said friend, who said he had talked to Gideon and said that he would again 'be getting in contact with me within the week'. Just to be sure he knew HOW to get in contact with me, I sent him a quick email on April 6, reminding him about the commission, and our situation.

I have still gotten no response, email or FA or otherwise, over a week later. I'm at my wit's end. I don't know what else to do.

I was warned by friends after the fact to 'never trust Gideon to take home a commission because he will forget'. I thought that was hyperbole. Now I'm not so sure.

I suppose I'm writing this because I don't want to see anyone else ignored like this. I don't think Gideon is a bad person - but his commission management skills need serious work.

Gideon, if you happen to see this - I still would like a resolution from this. Email me. Give me a private message in FA. But please - DO SOMETHING and TELL ME SOON. This is way too long, and I've been ignored way too much for this to be left alone. If you're not going to do the commission, refund my money and we'll call it even. If you've worked on it, please let's finish it quickly so I don't have to hound you.

Thanks,
Prismo

EDIT: I just was informed by the aforementioned friend that the commission was done *AT* FWA, not *AFTER* FWA. This still does not excuse the lack of contact promised, but I thought it fair to mention that this was not something to be used against him in a court of law. (*Law and Order CHUNG CHUNG sound here*)

EDIT #2: I received a reply back in email from Gideon this morning. He professed his sadness concerning the lack of communication and his procrastination, and has pledged to get something done concerning this. No date as of yet - I am replying to his email to try to cement down a specific date. I'm feeling more hopeful this time around. I will keep everyone updated as to the status - if Gideon can fix the problem, he'll be back in my good graces, no problem. And hopefully Gideon can tackle time management/patron contact issues afterward to prevent this from happening again.
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bladespark
Apr. 14th, 2010 04:24 am (UTC)
Guess he hasn't changed his ways since the last time he was posted about on here.
pharanx07
Apr. 14th, 2010 01:28 pm (UTC)
Yeah, ive heard alot about Gideon. Not only do i think his artwork is terrible (if he would draw some other subject, i think it would look ok), but seems as if he thinks he can get away with anything. Ive actually had a friend who was at AC last year,and he cut in line for the bathroom. Saying that "hey, you know who i am?" and everyone just let him go.

But anyways, yeah, hope you get in contact with him again and either get a refund or a commission for free after this.
oceandezignz
Apr. 15th, 2010 01:15 am (UTC)
Please keep personal critique of the artist's work out of A_B. As in our rules it could be a stick figure or the Mona Lisa, but we don't discuss it here.
gideon_hoss
Apr. 15th, 2010 05:24 pm (UTC)
^_^ I never have ever cut in...any line at AC let alone any lines for...the bathroom...which there never are. ^_^ Just lettin you know. Name dropping is something I'd never do, besides if I did, they'd probably just laugh at me. ^_^
yamato_iouko
Apr. 14th, 2010 01:30 pm (UTC)
There are some artists that seem better suited for at-con commissions than commissions outside of cons, and Gideon seems to be the former from what I've heard and seen.

On a side note, did he actually give you some kind of ETA on the commission when you first requested it?
prismo
Apr. 14th, 2010 02:48 pm (UTC)
When I set up the commission with him at EF, he said he would get a sketch done for me in the week. Every communication since that time was 'I'll get in contact/something to you within the week'.

So no firm ETA. If he were legitimately busy, I would understand. All I ask for is timely updates. But All I got were vague reassurances and blown off.
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azuredoragon
Apr. 14th, 2010 02:49 pm (UTC)
Aborting children after the 100th trimester.
yamato_iouko
Apr. 14th, 2010 02:52 pm (UTC)
Heh. That was kind of funny...in a dead baby humor kind of way.
lupine_fox
Apr. 14th, 2010 06:13 pm (UTC)
I still am a fan of Gideon's artwork even though the commission process has been long and painful at times. He's a good artist and does things that nobody else is doing. I have had several commissions with him and my experience has been similar to yours. The longest I waited was two years for one.

He does change email addresses a lot so it can be very hard to get in touch with him. I think that he is good if you can get a commission out of him at a con but afterward he just doesn't have the organizational skills to follow through. Imagine an artist not having organizational skills :P

Anyway even though I've had to wait very long times for commissions and had to remind him a lot he has, in the end provided me with what I commissioned and once three bonus sketches for waiting so long.

That's actually more than I can say about some artists I've paid for sketches and never seen a thing. Keep reminding him, politely, and I think eventually you'll get what you asked for.

prismo
Apr. 14th, 2010 07:29 pm (UTC)
This is probably the best advice. I don't want to hound him, but at the same time, out of sight-out of mind. This was the largest I'd paid for a commission (considering the complexity of it, it was what we both agreed on).

I'm not trying to shame him or be a rabblerouser - I guess I was looking for replies like yours: to let me know if I was in my rights to post this here after waiting over six months for it. Considering others have been waiting years, I guess it's not so bad.

In all, I'd say the lack of promised communication hurts the most. If you say you are going to do something, whether it be to draw something for you or to talk to you about said drawing, you should follow up on it. leaving people in the lurch hurts your relationship with them.
spiffystuff
Apr. 14th, 2010 11:45 pm (UTC)
I guess I was looking for replies like yours: to let me know if I was in my rights to post this here after waiting over six months for it. Considering others have been waiting years, I guess it's not so bad.

Oh you are WELL within your rights - I'm amazed more people haven't posted here if it's as chronic as it sounds like. People should know not to commission Gideon - maybe if they stopped, he'd actually have some incentive work through his backlog :P

And just because other people have waited years doesn't make it alright. The only thing it does is maybe give some hope that some day, he just might get around to doing what he was paid to do >:( Since apparently some people did get something after waiting years.

The only reason more people aren't frothing is probably because it probably wouldn't do any good. It's way too late for any kind of chargeback even if you paid via credit card or paypal. All you can do is put the word out there he's a liar (yes, saying one thing and doing another, repeatedly, is not a mistake, it's lying) and a flake and maybe a few people will avoid getting burned.

Too bad, I like his art - not so much into porn (except as lulz) but his style is quite attractive.

Edited at 2010-04-14 11:46 pm (UTC)
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rexxwolfe
Apr. 14th, 2010 08:44 pm (UTC)
They let these people get away with that crappy behavior because, oh no what if they stopped drawing porn and left! I am often shocked at the behavior that is allowed to carry on because person X is a popular artist. If you do simple checks ( like on this community ) on how many people are owed art the dollar figures rise rapidly. Your completely correct in the real world your ass would totally be fired. I Am always thankful for these types of warnings. He is a super nice guy a very awesome guy. However that does not take away the fact he could conduct his business transactions with more professionalism.
johnnyblanco
Apr. 14th, 2010 10:47 pm (UTC)
If this person stopped drawing porn and left you know what would happen?

There'd be six people to take his place.
gideon_hoss
Apr. 15th, 2010 05:28 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the kind words, yer always cool to chat with. And yes I really need to conduct myself in a MUCH better professional manner and is something I am now tryin' my damndest to do. Just words I know but I wanted folks here to know that too, I don't want to let things go after cons or with commissions like I have done with some in the past. Thanks Rexx and will be doin muh best.
kerstin_orion
Apr. 17th, 2010 03:25 am (UTC)
Please refrain from critique of the artist's work. This is a violation of rule number 4. Thank you.

Edited at 2010-04-17 03:27 am (UTC)
gideon_hoss
Apr. 15th, 2010 05:34 pm (UTC)
Thanks Lupine. You have been nothing but a gentleman, heck ANYTIME I ever see you. I am really glad even with the time I made good and you were happy with the work done, thanks fox. ^_^
garrwolfdog
Apr. 15th, 2010 07:58 am (UTC)
Ugh,. I've been waiting nearly 4 years for a commission from him. After I eventually manage to get in touch with him he assures me it's almost done and then vanishes again
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gideon_hoss
Apr. 15th, 2010 05:21 pm (UTC)
Everything being said here is about right. I end up doing some pretty good sketchbook work at cons. The ones I have done later or some commission work I have ended up procrastinating to the point of years. I think an earlier comment was "out of sight, out of mind". I end up moving ahead and letting work get so backed up I feel embarrassed to even get to it.

This is something I am slowly correcting. I have contacted a few people here on this list just to try to make right on work I owe. Will this win anyone back...I don't know. But it will mean more to me to finally get work to people who deserve it and have been waiting long times for it because of my procrastination. I have given so many *here is an update, will have it done soon* excuses and want to finally make sure the work I owe is done and done to a level I and the commissioner expect.

I know these are only words, but I will be doing my best to get my backlog and older work done. I do appreciate the few, hey he's a nice guy comments. But still, bottom line, it is the art that matters and I am going to be making an extra effort to make ammends. Thanks guys.
shaggyfurry
Apr. 25th, 2010 09:43 pm (UTC)
Ah god dang it. I had this same problem. I was going to come here and post about it myself. But on the mention of this thread gideon got to work....>.> And now suddenly a week or so ago. Gideon dropped out of contact. I could poke and prod him into work. But now it doesn't seem so.

Seems he's either stopped working all togather, or dropped everything for the dude who posted this...>.> Thanks man.
hyenapaws
Apr. 30th, 2010 08:49 pm (UTC)
lol, nothing's changed I guess.

I commissioned him back in 2004 I think. It took OVER THREE YEARS to get the picture, which was done incorrectly. Instead of doing what I asked, he just took the first, unapproved, rejected sketch from 2004 and half-ass colored with MS paint. 100$ too, lol.

I gave up when he ignored the next few emails explaining that this wasn't what I asked for nor paid for. Sorry to hear you have to deal with it too. Yeah yeah, I know artists sometimes have things 'come up'. Everyone does. But in cases like these, I wish they'd remember that their clients were not 'too busy' to pay them in advance. :P

Sometimes I think Fame just ruins some artists' behavior. Not all, of course, but some. FA is getting awfully crowded with nasty, email/note ignoring egotists.

Edited at 2010-04-30 08:50 pm (UTC)
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