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Questions for TOS

I just have a few questions, since I'm going to be updating my TOS soon.

 

First one:

I give the option to my commissioners to keep omissions private, so, it will only be sent to them, not posted etc. But, what if they wanted me to not post it, but they post it in their gallery? Should I just do that or should I have the right to post it too?

Question Two:

I'm going to be offering traditional omissions soon and have sold one successfully already, since I just got some prisma markers. When I do digital, I update the commissioner with each step: Sketch, Ink, Flats and then the finished. They're allowed to change certain things in each step:

 

  • Sketch: Anything can be changed or can be completely redone (Limited number of times of course)

  • Ink: Smaller things can be changed, but still enough.

  • Flats: Only colors can be changed only I myself made a major mistake. If it's a mistake you did by not telling me to add something, then I won't change it usually.

  • Finished: Usually I don't change anything unless there's a small background or something.

 

Now, with traditional, I'm not able to make these changes, except in the sketch stage. Should I only show updates on the sketch and then finish the pic and send it to them?

There's also the problem that I don't always have the right colors, only close to the color it needs to be. Would this be important to add in the TOS?

Don't think I have any other questions, but if you have any tips, especially when it comes to traditional stuff and mailing things out, and even more, badges, I'd be very grateful!

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lilenth
Mar. 4th, 2010 09:09 pm (UTC)

If they want to post it themselves then they should pay the extra to buy the copyright from you, same if they don't want any prints or the like made from it by you.

Have you considered trying acylics? Most colors you can mix using paints.

As for prisma colours, you might want to ask an extra fee for supplies if you need to buy special supplies for a commission, though do be sure to advise the client before you purchase them. So you might want to make sure that you get all details before you quote a commision.

Personally I don't directly ink my sketch, I lightbox my sketches onto new materials so if something does go wrong I can simply reink the sketch onto a new page to fix the problem.
lilenth
Mar. 4th, 2010 09:10 pm (UTC)

Edit: I mean if they want to be the only one to post it/control distribution entirely they should buy the copyright since control of distribution is a copyright staple.
ichigoneko33
Mar. 4th, 2010 09:12 pm (UTC)
I've never head of having to buy copyrights to repost? I mean like, how a lot of people on FA repost they're comissiones with permission.

I can don't really traditional media, I love digital much more. These prismas were the only traditional think I found that I like.

For the fees, I left my full comission prices the same to pay for them. Since, they'd be cheaper in general since I do them much faster then digital.

What's lightboxing mean and how do you do it? It sounds much better then directly inking on the sketch like I do.
lilenth
Mar. 4th, 2010 09:24 pm (UTC)

Only if they want sole rights to repost.

Lightboxing is where you use a lightbox (a box with a light inside and a clear/semi see through window) to copy an image from one sheet to another, animators use them.
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kayla_la
Mar. 4th, 2010 09:49 pm (UTC)
Ugh, I'd really love a lightbox. No funds for anything like that at the moment, but I'd love to be able to ink without risking ruining the original image.
ichigoneko33
Mar. 4th, 2010 09:50 pm (UTC)
Ya, it really does seem helpfull.

I think my parents found mine at some flea market, since they wouldn't have randomly bought an expensive one for no reason.
lilenth
Mar. 4th, 2010 09:58 pm (UTC)

I got mine for free from a friend of a friend, he was moving into a smaller apartment and had no room for it, it's a behemoth though, over a meter on all sides with an A2 size working space. Very impractical and hard to set up unfortunately.

There are a number of alternates if you can't afford one, you can tape the work and the clean sheet to a window the sun is shining through, or put a lamp under a glass table and use that as a light box.

Though currently I know that ikea do a desk with an inbuilt glass bit for that and argos is selling a relatively inexpensive light box.
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kayla_la
Mar. 4th, 2010 09:12 pm (UTC)
For the stages, I personally show a sketch, get it approved, give them the inks when I finish them, show them the flats if it's digital just in case they want to tweak the colours (I don't do this with trad), and then give them the final.
ichigoneko33
Mar. 4th, 2010 09:13 pm (UTC)
Ya, it's usually what I do with digital.

Problem is, if I showed them the ink for example, on traditional, I can't fix it, same with the colors, like I can on digital. So was wondering if it's best to only show a sketch then finish or show more.
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stormslegacy
Mar. 4th, 2010 09:16 pm (UTC)
For your question about traditional work and progress shots, I would show them streaks or swatches of the colors you intend to use before coloring--like a general color pallette. I generally allow some changes to the inks, but that's because my process of using a scanner and photoshop or a white ink and a light-box allows for it.

I've had commissions where I wish the artist had asked me about the colors first--I put in my sheet as clarification to always err on the side of yellowish-orange rather than red when drawing my character (I hate being drawn as a red-fox with a gray streak down the back, just a little pet-peeve of mine)but people still sometimes draw me red. It's nice when I can look at the colors they picked and point that out before the coloring, even if it isn't on the linework or anything.
ichigoneko33
Mar. 4th, 2010 09:19 pm (UTC)
Hmm...good idea. I was thinking of making some pages of what my colors look like anyways, cause the outside of the markings don't look like they really do.

Now I understand more what lightboxing is with your description lol. So it would be better to sketch on one page, then ink on another?

Once problem though, is that I don't think I can do that with badges, can I? Since I'll be using much thicker paper.
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maddogairpirate
Mar. 4th, 2010 10:54 pm (UTC)
First one: Sure, they should be able to post it in their gallery, but they have to cite you as the artist, I'd say. Credit where it's due.

As for updates, I'd update on each stage that it changes for how much they can influence it.
enveri
Mar. 5th, 2010 01:48 am (UTC)
When mucking about with traditional media you're unfamiliar with, be sure to test it before you start working on a commission.

Some ballpoint inks smear under markers, ditto with inkjet/printer inks.

I work on hot press watercolor paper and have no trouble with lightboxing nor printing, so your paper weight (unless it's cardboard) shouldn't have an issue. You may want to create a sample color chart for your own use, because it's a pain when you're coloring to stop and figure out what the marker you're holding actually looks like on your paper.

For the unsteady hand issue you mentioned.... practice, and very very thin lines. Most artists don't have hands as steady as their work would imply, they use thin lines and go over them multiple times to get a slightly thicker , smoother line. Practice will help!
ichigoneko33
Mar. 5th, 2010 01:51 am (UTC)
Oh of course I tested out drawing with em before doing comissions ^^ The inks I have now aren't ball point, but work really well.

So true. I've been thinking of doing that, since I keep having to test them over and over again and this way, I can show comissioners what colors I have.

Ya, I use the smaller ink pen I have, it works a lot better then the thicker ones. I used to not be this shaky, it's just cause I've been doing only digital for like, 2 or more years lol.

Practice does help lots X3 My lines are already looking better then when I frst started ^^
databank
Mar. 5th, 2010 08:28 pm (UTC)
A commissioner's viewpoints:

To start off. Unless your fees include full copyright release, which I suggest be a ton, you should retain the right to reproduce. Now, the private commission deal that you do is an interesting conundrum, as I'm guessing it gets included as part of the commission terms. Once it's in the terms as "I won't put it in my gallery", that's a limitation on your rights to reproduce. The question then becomes "have you given them rights to reproduce, including putting it in their own gallery?" If yes, then... well, oops - they can, and by the terms you can't. It all boils down to, "what do the terms you two agreed to actually say?"

On how many updates - typically, only where you can make changes. Since you have a lightbox, then sketch, line, and final/"I'm shipping it now" sounds about right. Honestly, before I really understood the concept of a lightbox (almost a decade ago) I wondered why artists were willing to change inked lineart. Now I know. o.o;
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