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LeeLee of FA

About 2 years ago, I commissioned a woodburned badge from LeeLee of FA [http://www.furaffinity.net/user/leelee/] when I saw this post: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/1159042/ . Unfortunately, I can not be more precise on date as FA does not give exact dates. I sent payment for a Toony badge on May 17th, the payment was 7$. At first, communication was good. I was a bit slow on sending a reference and payment due to IRL issues, but it was going fine.

I first asked for progress on Aug. 25th 2008. There was no answer. So I waited a bit, and noted again on Oct. 7th 2008 and got a response. She had lost my Ref. Which wasn't really a big deal, so I sent it over again. Around Oct. 28th 2008, she posted a link to a website where there was a que, I wasn't on there so I sent a note. This was fixed and she said she was adding a bonus for making me wait. So I waited, and on Feb. 13th I noted her to inform her I moved. Due to IRL issues I had to move back to the previous house, and I informed her of this on Feb. 26th 2009, I made sure she had not sent out the badge yet of course. In March 2009, where I live was annexed into Fort Worth, so we were no longer unincorporated Tarrant. This mean my address had to change a bit, just the house numbers, and the old ones would still carry on for a few months. So on March 15th 2009, I informed LeeLee of this, there was no response.

I waited once again, and twiddled my thumbs. I didn't want to bother her to much, and I had a baby in May of 2009, so I hadn't thought to much of it until my husband brought it up. On 9/11/09 I sent her an Email, as she had specified not to send her notes due to them getting confused. I asked if there had been any progress. I had seen her take and finish many other commissions, but I never really saw any update on mine. I told her if I hadn't heard back from her by Oct. 10th, I would be posting to Artists_Beware. Below are the Emails exchanged, Email addresses blocked out of course.

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm261/FreakBeasts/Storage/WoodburnedEmailTo1.png

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm261/FreakBeasts/Storage/WoodburnedEmailFrom2.png

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm261/FreakBeasts/Storage/WoodburnedEmailTo3.png

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm261/FreakBeasts/Storage/Woodburnedemailfrom4.png

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm261/FreakBeasts/Storage/WoodburnedemailTo5.png

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm261/FreakBeasts/Storage/WoodburnedEmailFrom6.png

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm261/FreakBeasts/Storage/WoodburnedemailTo7.png

 

After that I waited a bit. I went to the post office and checked for any packages for both Pre-annexed and After-annexed addresses, as well as went with one of the people we were living with previously to see if any packages had been sent to their Address, but not delivered. The post office had nothing for me at all. So on Dec. 16th I sent a progress check, simply replying to the previous Email she had sent me.:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm261/FreakBeasts/Storage/FinalEmail.png

 

There has still been no answer. I have checked both my Email and Junk folders every day, and I've checked at the post office when ever we are having other things delivered. All in all, I'm just giving up on ever seeing the badge.

So if you commission Leelee, there is a chance you may not get your commission. I don't know if she's sent other badges out or not, this was just my experience.

 

I can post screenshots of the notes if needed as well.

EDIT:
LeeLee has offered to do something else, but I declined for the simple fact that I'd rather move on. I do hope there is a day when this post is invalid, and I wish her best of luck on future projects :)
I am finished with this and hold no ill-will on her.

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terridelgado
Jan. 28th, 2010 08:14 pm (UTC)
Why did you give up after her response of 50 million address changes?

You never got the product you paid for, and she has no proof it was ever shipped out. Her first response was to deny you ever having commissioned her, and then she hops to the fact that you moved a lot.

If she did a digital badge as she said, then you could always get her to send THAT. But if you PAID for a woodburned badge (which I suspect is more money) then you should fight to get your moneys worth.

What does the original note say? Woodburn or digital?
hobokitten
Jan. 28th, 2010 08:59 pm (UTC)
I originally paid for a woodburned.
I'm just sort of sick of waiting and getting the run around. I don't even really want to think about it any more. I'm hoping my second commissioning experience is better, but my husband and I both see this as a loss and have just accepted it as such.
dripbat
Jan. 28th, 2010 08:40 pm (UTC)
I bought a digital badge from her which she said she would print, laminate, and ship when completed. I don't know when I first comissioned her since Paypal is being a jerk and not letting me check anything further back then this month. I do have a note showing that I asked on March 17th that I asked why I wasn't in the queue, and the next day she said she forgot about me. I got the digital copy on March 18th, 2009 (Was never posted to her FA, just her ImageShack, not sure why). I waited a few months for the badge. November 17th, 2009 it was "shipped". 16 days ago I got a shout that a lot of her packages returned, so she made a paper pokemon to make up for it. I haven't seen it yet.

The pokemon cutout she "thinks" is for me.
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3260933/

Anyways I hope she sees this and gets your badge out to you finally. :( She may have just "forgotten" or whatever bs.

Edit: I took some out because while I remember it I can't find the note. The rest I have the notes for still.

Edit 2: Someone linked to her FA journal, as seen below. Was more than likely not shipped due to her bank issue.

Edited at 2010-01-29 04:25 am (UTC)
obsidianwolfess
Jan. 28th, 2010 09:08 pm (UTC)
She could really benefit from going to the dollar store and buying a small notebook to keep track of her commission queue (or something like that), since keeping tabs on her journal isn't working very well.

Also, you did the right thing to inform her about your new addresses. I don't think that's a good excuse for not finishing a badge, let alone showing a progress picture. All it takes is one note to clarify the situation. "Hey, I'm ready to send your badge out. Give me your address and it will go out the next day. Thanks." Ya know? :(

I think it's nice of LeeLee to offer you a few extra things to make up for it, but at the same time.. What's the point if they may never be mailed out?
skanrashke
Jan. 28th, 2010 09:29 pm (UTC)
If you let leelee know she's overdue on something, there's a good chance she'll finish it. At least from what I've seen she's usually not bad about mailing out her stuff.
hobokitten
Jan. 28th, 2010 10:05 pm (UTC)
I did email her. I got no answer.
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thaily
Jan. 28th, 2010 09:49 pm (UTC)
Two years for a badge?

Ouch...
hobokitten
Jan. 28th, 2010 10:04 pm (UTC)
Yea D: I'm fine with waiting for things, but two years is a bit much for something so small...
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celestinaketzia
Jan. 28th, 2010 11:14 pm (UTC)
Wow, her commission list is so long. I'm surprised no one else has come out of the woodwork saying they're waiting on something.
mialattia
Jan. 29th, 2010 01:10 am (UTC)
It sounds to me like she never shipped it out or even did it; you would have gotten something forwarded from an old address. You asked for a wood-burn badge and she didn't even do it and plainly doesn't have it on file.

A change of address is inconvenient, but since you checked the mail and nothing forwarded...

In any case, I think in the future you should be more firm; she's definitely pushing you around a bit by making comments like '50 million address changes'. That's rude and unprofessional on her part.
ace_bearpaws
Jan. 29th, 2010 03:24 am (UTC)
Tell you what. Apparently none of you keep up with FA very well. If that is the case that is dandy, but frankly if you feel so strongly you really ought to.

About a month ago LeeLee posted a lengthy apology to all of her commissioners. She sucked it up and admitted that she was wrong in the way she dealt with people. And she was going to do everything she could to fix it. She requested that people e-mail her so she could begin to organize things and get commissions finished.

Right here:
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1084945/

Recently she needed to cover a bank problem and put up three quick commissions, but she mentioned that she would have to work these in with her backlog. She mentions that she has put up a new more organized list, and that not everyone may be on it. She says very clearly that if you are not on the list you should e-mail her to get on the list. She gives a new e-mail address to go with.

That is here:
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1168802/

She very specifically says that she doesn't have it all together yet so just asking for progress isn't going to work.

So as far as I can tell either, you are just being bitter, or you aren't paying attention. And that goes for anyone else who is posting on here who is missing a commission from her or is just blindly believing something you have read on the internet. People make mistakes, she has admitted hers, and she is trying to clean it up. You all should be ashamed of yourselves.

Edit: And just for any of you who think I am saying this just because I am a friend of hers, well you can just cram it. I have been waiting for commissions from her longer than any of you. I will never sink so low as to try to ruin someone's name over $7.

Edited at 2010-01-29 03:28 am (UTC)
hobokitten
Jan. 29th, 2010 03:37 am (UTC)
I stopped watching her a while ago. And honestly, it's not ruining her name. It's my experience with her, and just so people know they may or may not get their things.
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leeleemoreau
Jan. 29th, 2010 04:50 am (UTC)
Ok

If you guys don't watch me for updates I'm sorry. I have ALOT going on right now and to get in contact with EACH and every one you would take time.
SORRY ON MY BEHALF.
HOWEVER In my defense I AM cleaning up. I just don't make it public anymore.
I PRIVATELY email the commissioner.

Secondly The post office sucks, can we all agree on this? Yes? GOOD, moving on.

Thirdly I do take a long time I KNOW I ADMIT IT HOWEVER, since I take so damn long I end up making freebies. Either to send or digital work.
9/10 it's worth MORE than what the commission was bought for.

Cut me some slack guys, those of you who have met me know I'm good peoples.
You just don't know what goes on behind the scenes of my "life" Only reason I ever took commissions was to take care of my retired parents. Luckily now I have a part-time so I can have some breathing room.
(BAWWLIFESTORY)

I'm getting it done, those of you WHO don't want to wait anymore just let me know and I'll refund you, you might have to wait on it though. And I'll still make you quick freebie art.
lilenth
Jan. 29th, 2010 05:12 am (UTC)

No offense intended but I think there's a number of things you could be doing better.

Don't just talk about cleaning up, show it, consistent progress and a steadily dropping commission list, these things do more to demonstrate that you are a good artist than a hundred posts apologising/asking for people to email you about getting a refund/their piece.

You need to work on your speed. In my opinion ideally you want no more than three months turnaround, three months in my experience is long enough to give you time to work but not long enough to make customers grouse about how long it's taking. Also throwing in freebies is just going to slow down the commission more and back up the ones behind it, trust me, I've floundered in that marsh before myself, it can cause serious long term problems.

I'm sure everyone knows you're a good person but you need to be more than nice to be an artist that everyone wants to commission. We all like nice artists but most people prefer artists who are organised and have it together a lot more than they do people who are just nice.

Also I'm sure your life is very important to you and taking care of your retired parents is an important part of it and does make things difficult for you, but honestly? It's not only not an excuse, but customers also don't generally want to hear about your life in my experience, they want to know the basics such as how much of your queue is clear, how much progress you're making, where their art is and other things pertinent to what they've paid for.

A lot of artists talk about their personal lives in blogs, and that's fine but when you're dealing with a customer? Unless it pertains directly to the artwork or they ask? They probably don't want to hear it.

So imho you should keep the information to simple updates about what's going on, organise your info and email all your customers instead of waiting for them to contact you and look at improving your process for making art.
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petercat
Jan. 29th, 2010 05:59 am (UTC)
For what it's worth, the original FA post http://www.furaffinity.net/view/1159042/ was posted on March 19th, 2008 01:45 PM. On FA, if you click on the "approximate" formatted date on a post, it'll switch to display the precise date and time.
hamburger
Jan. 30th, 2010 09:02 pm (UTC)
Er, truth be told I've never recieved anything I've commissioned from LeeLee and I remember at least a sticker and a badge that I bought. I can't really complain too much, however, as I didn't ask after them either. It's been so long I guess I kind of forgot, but your post reminded me.

ETA: To clarify, I recieved a digital copy of them, but never were they mailed out to me.

Edited at 2010-01-30 09:20 pm (UTC)
leeleemoreau
Feb. 4th, 2010 04:24 am (UTC)
Pie it would HELP if you sent me your addy XD

and actually went to the con you told me you were going to >:[
*sits on*
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