Log in

No account? Create an account

Previous Entry | Next Entry

Update on the icon from Wolfacabra

OK, thought I'd update on the situation with Wolfacabra and the animated icon I purchased.

I happened to be on my gmail, and saw a name listed I didn't recognize right away. When mousing over it, it showed wolfacabra's email, and I was happy. I figured it would be my chance to touch base with her and ask about the icon. So I did, and got no response. I said that I totally understood if life had gotten crazy (I was told previously she had dropped off the internet because of local drams and 'issues') and it wasn't done, but that at this point I would simply like my 8$ back. (she quoted 7$ for the icons in her offer, and I tipped the extra dollar to cover paypal fees and because I thought her stuff was really cute.) After a number of gchat IM's to her, she signed off. I should clarify, ALL the IM's were mine, she never once responded to me, not even with a "Oh, sorry, it's not done yet." Didn't even acknowledge me. 

So at this point, I'm calling it what it is. She stole money, like a distressing number of artists have been doing to people as of late, and has no intention of giving it back, nor delivering the art I paid for. I'm sorry, I know life gets crazy, and it's 'only' 8bucks, but that's not the point. The point is when you take someones money, whether it's 8$ or 800$, to do art, you need to get your crap together and do the art. Not avoid them or make excuses and hope they just eventually go away. My stupidity was not filing with paypal before the 30 day mark, but I assumed she was doing the art. 

She used to have a website, wolfacabra.com, which has been dead for a while. She doesn't respond to LJ comments, IM's...the only response I've ever gotten aside from seeing her at Furfright this past year was when she responded in email to my first AB post. it was basically "So sorry, working on it now, could you re-send the ref pic I lost it." This is after telling me it was almost done, so what she needed a ref pic at that stage for is beyond me.

Bottom line, I got screwed, and would not recommend paying this person a dime for art. She totally flaked on me, and seems likely to do it to others as well. :/

*Previous AB post has all the details, dates, etc. 
Artist's beware has moved!
Do NOT repost your old bewares. They are being archived.


( 29 comments — Leave a comment )
Jan. 21st, 2010 03:59 pm (UTC)
"She stole money, like a distressing number of artists have been doing to people as of late, and has no intention of giving it back, nor delivering the art I paid for."

And by "distressing number" you mean a small percentage of the entire artist population of the world, right ;P

On-topic, I'm sorry you're having a lot of trouble with this person. A link to the previous post might be handy, also so the mods can tag it.
Jan. 21st, 2010 04:04 pm (UTC)
Jan. 21st, 2010 04:16 pm (UTC)
Thank you, was just about to go hunting for it.

And I understand the falling behind, but at least keeping in touch would allow me to feel she actually gives a rats butt about the fact that I paid her for something. Granted, not a lot of money at all, but again, money in hand = job that needs to be done. Say you have a nephew, who is 15 and wants to earn some money to go see a new Harry Potter movie. He offers to mow Mr. Smith's lawn next week for 10$. Mr. Smith agrees, and gives Timmy the money. Timmy goes to the movies and doesn't bother mowing Mr. Smith's lawn, because hey, he's already got the money in hand and he has other things to do. Timmy is in breach of a verbal contract between himself and Mr. Smith. Yeah, I know, kid, under age, etc. It's just an example. Point is Timmy was irresponsible, and essentially stole money from Mr. Smith. What he SHOULD have done is apologize and return the money, or do the job he was paid for.

In response to Thaily's comment -
Actually, I meant that I had been noticing a marked increase in people having artists from conventions/online, etc. just walking away with their money or vanishing off the face of the internet. (At least under the name they were having trouble with) Maybe it's simply communities like AB that are making it more widely known, but to be honest, I don't think so.

I've been doing conventions for a number of years now and HAVE noticed a definite increase in the number of artists who do not take sales seriously, and that is a real shame. It makes it harder for those of us trying to actually sell our work and make a living at what we do. So to me, the numbers I personally am seeing are in fact, distressing. Depends on one's point of view, I suppose.
Jan. 21st, 2010 04:23 pm (UTC)
I've notices an increase in fraud as well, on both sides. People both not paying and people running off with money.

I don't get this mindset at all. Everyone has troubles and hardships in their life, but even when I have an art REQUEST that I agreed to, it NAGS at me until I get it done. I could NEVER take someone's money and not deliver the goods in a timely manner. It boggles my mind how someone could let things go for so long barring death, serious illness, injury, or being stranded on a desert island. At this point I would have either refunded the money or found a way to make the icon.
Jan. 21st, 2010 04:43 pm (UTC)
There's also more artists every year and beginning artists who take commissions earlier and earlier, younger and younger, with little understanding of good business sense or good work ethic.

That said, I daresay at least 90% of artists, across every fandom, is reasonably reliable and decent about the work they do. To suggest otherwise is just "stemmingmakerij", purposefully creating a bad impression and generating a bad attitude towards a group of people who don't deserve it.
Jan. 21st, 2010 05:23 pm (UTC)
I have no issue with people who are just starting out and learning the ropes. I have no problem with folks who fall behind, or took on more than they could handle because they weren't experienced enough to know their own workload capacity...even experienced artists do this on occasion. Though I do think artists need to learn a bit more about the selling process and make sure they understand it and their obligations BEFORE they start taking people's money. Being young is not an excuse for not fufilling your end of a transaction.

My real issue is with people who have been doing art for some time, and have little to no sense of responsibility/fair play when it comes to what is, in in base form, a business transaction.

You can throw percentages around all you want, but I'm not pointing the finger at the furry fandom and saying "Wahhhhhhh! You all sux! You stole my monies!" I AM saying that I personally, myself, have noticed in my traveling to different events and conventions, as well as online, an increase in the trouble people are having, on BOTH ends, when it comes to art as a business transaction. I'm telling the truth as is has been in my experiences. I know I don't speak for the entirety of the fandom, nor did I ever claim to. You seem to be set on the idea that I am spewing venom and ire, and trashing an entire community, which is not true. I made a post, updating an issue I had with a single artist. I made a personal observation about my own experiences and what I have myself seen going on.

And now, I'm done. I feel my post was OT, reserve the right to have my own opinions of the situation regarding artist dependability, and invite you to do the same. Heck, if everyone thought alike and had the same opinions, the world would be a very boring place indeed. ;3
Jan. 21st, 2010 05:32 pm (UTC)
"You can throw percentages around all you want"

Thank you, I will :)

Percentage-wise you see only a very small amount of artists on sites, at conventions and other meet ups. Only a percentage of those genuinely scam people out of their money and art. So to say that you've noticed a "distressing number of artists" who scam their customers, says little about the entire group of artists as a whole, increased exposure of scamming artists aside, because you only see a small percentage of the whole. The comment is unnecessary and misleading.
Which is all I'm saying, you seem set on the idea that I'm attacking because you're mirroring how you think others perceive you.

Good luck with your situation :)
Jan. 21st, 2010 06:32 pm (UTC)
However, I also think it is important to recognize this perception rather than just outright dismissing it as 'wrong because stats don't lie'. The actual percentage of scammers means very little when compared to customer perception.
Jan. 21st, 2010 08:38 pm (UTC)

I think also due to the recent recession and other problems, people are more likely to complain when an artist does cut and run, whereas before most people would have written off a $10 commission if an artist vanished, they now are more likely to complain about it.
Jan. 21st, 2010 09:06 pm (UTC)
Honestly? I'd say just the fact that there are enough people scamming or being scammed to keep this community busy every week is "distressing," so I don't see her statement as being "unnecessary and misleading." Nowhere did she say that it was a huge percentage or even a huge number, just that the number she's noticed lately is "distressing" to her, which is a subjective statement based on her personal experiences, as she said herself.

Even though I definitely see where you're coming from, I just honestly see no need to keep picking that apart like this, especially after she clarified.
Jan. 21st, 2010 04:45 pm (UTC)
I'm sorry to hear that you were scammed :(

yeah, I don't think its that people in general have become less trustworthy, but as you mentioned, communities like this, which exist for the main purpose of drawing attention to the problems, make it seem as though its all you ever hear. Increases in ability to complain (a wider array of people able and willing to complain), and increases in the popularity of different subcultures probably account for it as well. Here's hoping being posted in a place like this creates some pressure for the artist to resolve the problem.
Jan. 21st, 2010 05:26 pm (UTC)
Thank you, and I think you're right to some degree. It's like the news....bad news sells more papers, hence murders/rape/violence/tragedy making the front page more often. Same with TV.

Meh, will continue to commission artists. I enjoy collecting art. I'll just try to be a bit more cautious about whom I commission. Live and learn, right?
Jan. 21st, 2010 06:11 pm (UTC)
Agreeing with this too.
However, I do also think that even when it's a small percentage, people are more likely to remember being burned than they are to remember someone's kindness. This is why I think we should really hold these types of artists accountable, because they affect the market for everyone else.
But this happens in a lot of other areas too, not just the art business.
Jan. 21st, 2010 04:19 pm (UTC)
I changed the tag to match this entry. Thank you for finding it.
Jan. 21st, 2010 04:46 pm (UTC)
I removed the single name tag from the database since it was kind of redundant, so we have the bigger one now.
Jan. 21st, 2010 06:16 pm (UTC)
Thank you. I was trying to delete the other and failed
Jan. 21st, 2010 04:05 pm (UTC)
I have a habit of doing this as well, but at least I keep in touch with the customers and make an effort at finishing the work. It's uncomfortable to have to tell someone "Sorry, it's not finished yet" for the tenth time; so some artists would prefer to ignore the problem in the hopes it goes away.

What's worse is that sometimes it can be even more uncomfortable to do the actual work itself. Trying to force art when the muse is not there can be a painful process.

FWIW, I've recognized this failing in myself and have retired, so don't have to deal with that anymore. I still sometimes wonder if my name will pop up here eventually.
Jan. 21st, 2010 04:09 pm (UTC)
I see her in person once in a blue moon when I go to the RI fur-meet, as she organizes them. If I see her I'll ask about it, but that likely won't be for months.
Jan. 21st, 2010 04:20 pm (UTC)
Thank you, though I won't hold my breath. I honestly think it's going to be money into the void. Not the first time it's happened, though I always hope it will be the last. ;3

PS.....spread the word about Arisia to some friends at a party who didn't make the con last weekend. They were shocked, and it made them feel better that they decided not to attend. Spoke w/ one of the registration people, and they have already contracted w/ a new hotel for next year. :3
Jan. 21st, 2010 04:44 pm (UTC)
Understood. That's so damn frustrating. They meet at the Providence Place mall at least monthly, if you ever are in the area maybe you can catch her in person, she attends every one since she's the organizer.

Thank you! I did hear about the new hotel, that was in the works before this incident even came up but...if they end up spinning it as they left the hotel for that, then that's ok with me. I haven't found any more news on that front, I think the boycott may have failed, which would explain why there's so little news on it. I think the governor would have gloated if he won...or maybe negotiations are still ongoing. =X
Jan. 22nd, 2010 01:04 am (UTC)
> see her in person once in a blue moon when I go to the RI fur-meet<

Do you have a link for this by any chance?
Jan. 22nd, 2010 01:35 am (UTC)
http://community.livejournal.com/newenglandfurs/ they post about 'em here when they happen.
Jan. 21st, 2010 05:03 pm (UTC)
I thought she posted in the your last post about getting it to you? Did nothing come of that contact? :(
Jan. 21st, 2010 05:27 pm (UTC)
Nope. :/
Jan. 21st, 2010 06:04 pm (UTC)
>I'm sorry, I know life gets crazy, and it's 'only' 8bucks, but that's not the point. The point is when you take someones money, whether it's 8$ or 800$, to do art, you need to get your crap together and do the art.<

This, so hard. It may have been part of your disposable income but that money could have still gone towards a grocery bill or to a charity rather than a scammer.
Jan. 21st, 2010 10:20 pm (UTC)
I'm sorry she took off with your money, and I'm sorry that it's given you a bad representation of the commissioned artist community as a whole. However, I wish you wouldn't spread around sweeping generalizations about how a "distressing number" of artists are running off with people's money. There really is no way for you to know the true numbers behind these situations. It could just be that you happen to be hearing about/experiencing more instances lately, rather than an actual increase in 'take your money and run' situations/artists. The kind of sentiment you've expressed can make people nervous and wary, and thus less likely to commission artists. That spells bad news for the people out there who are truly honest, especially those who make a living off of their art.

So really all I'm saying is that yes it sucks, but watch out for the sweeping generalizations and negativity.
Jan. 22nd, 2010 12:26 am (UTC)
Isn't that Lee? D: I thought you found her at FF?
Jan. 22nd, 2010 02:51 am (UTC)
yep, Lee (Is it spelled Li? I don't remember) and Wolfacabra are the same person.
Jan. 22nd, 2010 02:56 am (UTC)
I thought so! o= she does sort of have a history of this, I think. =/

@D: try asking eechobrearly on FA. He's friends with her, might know what's up.
( 29 comments — Leave a comment )


A_B icon
Commissioner & Artist, Warning & Kudos Community
Artists Beware

Community Tags

Powered by LiveJournal.com