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Mod post: New Community Info is now up!

The revised community info is now posted. Please take a minute to read through the rules and posting guidelines. All rules are effective as of this post.

On a similar note, I wish to remind everyone that while the subject matter of this community can lead to some heated discussions, we are not a community for drama mongering. There are plenty of those to choose from around LJ.

Debate is welcome. Asking for more details to determine the plausibility of a 'beware' is just fine. It's ok to ask for proof, just don't be rude about it. Sarcasm, while difficult to convey across the internet, is not against the rules.

The people who post their warnings on here do not have to do so. They are doing all of us a service by posting about those artists, commissioners, and companies who fail to meet the terms of their transactions or make things so difficult and aggravating that working with them isn't worth the art or money.

They could just as easily keep their warning to themselves or their close friends, and too much snark will cause people to do just that. Please keep this in mind as you are commenting.

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kayla_la
Jan. 11th, 2010 04:47 am (UTC)
too much snark will cause people to do just that.

I think this is important for people to remember. Unless it's a community specifically FOR that kind of thing, unnecessary snark has killed many a good idea. Everyone does it sometimes and we're not saying you never can, we're saying to contain yourselves when it's not really called for.
bladespark
Jan. 11th, 2010 04:52 am (UTC)
There's a difference between snarking at a poster and disagreeing with them, though. I would really hate to see this become one of those communities where everybody has to agree with the OP and everything has to be all fluffy-happy and "supportive". This isn't a trauma support community, and sometimes the people posting warnings are as much in the wrong as the ones they're posting about.
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stormslegacy
Jan. 11th, 2010 06:41 am (UTC)
I actually really appreciate the rule #4, it's well-worded and a good one.
thaily
Jan. 11th, 2010 09:20 am (UTC)
"4. If you wish to make a discussion post, please search the tags prior to posting. Many common questions have already been discussed."

This should go for people wanting to ask questions too, for example lost contact posts. If there is a tag for that person, it might be worth checking if someone else has asked about him/her recently before asking again. *coughmoldredcough*

As a sidenote, I'm missing the Vistaprint tag which might be prudent to include since they're still scamming people.
kerstin_orion
Jan. 11th, 2010 12:13 pm (UTC)
Do you have a link to a Vistaprint post or know approximately when the post was made?
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lilenth
Jan. 11th, 2010 12:20 pm (UTC)

I seriously think we need a post on what is and what is not "theft", the laws regarding theft (seriously art theft isn't illegal except under specific circumstances (usually dealing with far larger amounts of money than most people have involved) since it's a violation of common law.

Not to mention one on how to write a coherent and understandable post. Not to mention at least one lately has been a rather poor attempt to use us as a chan type board.

I think the recent fail was all because everyone who was friends with the artist went "you don't believe in character theft, you're all *insulting terms*" We're about helping people but if there's nothing that can legally been done about "character theft" because it doesn't exist, there's nothing that can be done. Belief does not convey reality upon something. A person can believe that character theft is an actual crime but it won't change the law to reflect their belief.
anjel_kitty
Jan. 11th, 2010 05:45 pm (UTC)
OMG thank you so much! I was getting so tired of seeing the long endless comment threads about nothing. I'm totally ready for the drama/information ratio of this community to even out.

Edited at 2010-01-11 05:58 pm (UTC)
hybrid_xisha
Jan. 11th, 2010 05:50 pm (UTC)
I am SO glad to see a finger-wag at snark! More than anything else, a lack of general respect--and a lack of enforcing general respect, if it's a place where the mods are never around--seems to be what does the most to kill good communities and discussions in them. I don't think it's at all unreasonable to expect people to have civilized discussions and debates here. :)
anjel_kitty
Jan. 11th, 2010 05:57 pm (UTC)
The mods are around, trust me. Its just the usual suspects are very good at arguing a point to death and not breaking any rules. Certain people just seem to have all the time in the world to make sure every post on this community explodes with comment threads and snark, and could benefit from just letting things go and not having to have the last comment.
But its totally not the mods fault. They are trying their best to keep this community drama free, and yet still not make it all fluffy rainbows and support, just certain people who are very good at arguing on the internet and have to win every argument make this hard to do.
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grygon
Jan. 12th, 2010 12:49 am (UTC)
The people who post their warnings on here do not have to do so. They are doing all of us a service by posting about those artists, commissioners, and companies who fail to meet the terms of their transactions or make things so difficult and aggravating that working with them isn't worth the art or money.

They could just as easily keep their warning to themselves or their close friends, and too much snark will cause people to do just that. Please keep this in mind as you are commenting.


THANK YOU FOR THAT... I am debating posting a warning but am very nervous of all the snark it may cause. You should put that in the comm profile too (what I quoted), lol.
kayla_la
Jan. 12th, 2010 01:27 am (UTC)
If you like, you can email me the warning you want to post and I can look it over and let you know what I think people might snark on, if they do. I of course can't guarantee people will behave even as a mod, but I could maybe help you work on things that might get someone poking at you.
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lilenth
Jan. 12th, 2010 03:00 am (UTC)

Personally from what I've observed, as a general rule so long as it's legitimate, not full of needless bad language and legible with a timeline/evidence, people aren't going to snark on you. Generally what little snark happens? Usually happens for a reason like the post is: a joke/abusive/so badly written we're not sure if it's happened or due to take place in twenty years time.

Your last post wasn't too bad, it was mostly the artist who got lectured when they came in and started trying to justify their poorly made work, btw was that ever resolved?
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wekhter
Jan. 12th, 2010 08:16 pm (UTC)
Have the community rules always been all in red? Red seems like a color that ought to be reserved for emphasis; having everything in red makes it a bit hard to read, in my opinion--I think it's the same effect as if they had been written completely in boldface. Usually the first sentence of each guideline and rule is the only thing that should be emphasized as such.

Otherwise, sounds good.
kerstin_orion
Jan. 12th, 2010 08:32 pm (UTC)
Sheesh. They weren't red when I posted them...I will fix them when I get back to my computer.
kayla_la
Jan. 12th, 2010 09:17 pm (UTC)
It's not in red... at least, not for me.
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