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X-Posted with some edits from FurryDrama_2 because it concerns a warning to artists.

TLDR:
If you get a request from AngelofDarkness block and ignore for your own sanity.  She will offer to pay and then turn around and give you excuses as to why she can't (and why you are ruining Christmas just for asking to be paid) and maybes turn into "you promised" because apparently requests r srs bsns. I'm apparently not even the third artist she has done this to (though the first to report ones done through PM), links are provided below. Posting because I wish I had known and was lucky to get warning just before things went sour.

Other cases like mine:
Link to a journal where she threatens to kill herself for not getting free art.
Link to a journal where she harasses said artist to force them to give her a free icon:
And to a previous one harassing the same artist:

New response.  Apparently it's OK because some hacker broke into her account and was PMing me for art of her character.  Right. 
Link to a journal comment thread where this SAME excuse was used before.

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This is what I get for being nice to furries.   

NOTE: Pics in links may or may not be work safe,  None are nudes but some are down to bra and panties.

Generally, I don't believe in giving away art, and when I do it's typically  sketches.  When I'm in the mood I post journal and I usually let people give me characters and vague situations and I use them to warm up for paid stuff.  I don't like specifics or detailed characters, if I'm unhappy with something I just skip over it.  I always put a disclaimer that I do the fun ones and leave the eh ones, as I absolutely hate those overly complicated characters with zillions of piercings etc.  And good god...what some people expect out of a free request O_O  Mind boggling.

However, for Christmas I thought I'd be generous since I usually only get a few and open requests, upgrading some randomly to full  color  pieces .

Ah, but here apparently is my mistake.  You see, some furries think that free full pieces are a cue to try to screw someone.  Now, I've heard sob stories before (hell I was PMed several this round, one who thought I gipped him or something), and generally I ignore 'em, but this one takes the cake and just keeps getting better and better.

When I posted this pinup of a dog in black stockings forEdwardElric1308, not less than 5 minutes later I receive this PM from a stranger called AngelofDarkness.


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"Well, my friend says to ask you but I feel it is pointless. Your going to be too busy.
But here I go I want an Ami picture who is my persona....she is not a furry sorry...she is a neko alien though.
I would like it pretty sexy, and christmas. I love christmas to me it is a magical holiday. I want it to be like my boyfriend will love and find it really sexy,

Ami ref sheet:http://crazypanthergirl.deviantart.com/art/Ami-Darkfield-Reference-Sheet-142524149

Account with more Ami refs: http://amidarkfieldplz.deviantart.com/

I apologize for wasting your time if you can't do it. Ami is 21 so adult. It can be as sexual and kinky. I am sure my boyfriend will love it anyways."




I was a little taken aback by such an abrupt PM but assumed that maybe she was a little clueless and I try to be kind.  I do get a little miffed when people that don't even watch me or comment ask for requests, but she wouldn't be the first.  I figured maybe she missed my request post so linked her.

"If you can repost it in the comments here: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1080425/ that would be best, as I use it as a worklist, I often forget notes. I left it open but will probably be closed to requests for a bit.

I'll see what I can do. I'm in con-prep mode right now but I might slip it in between projects for fun, I do enjoy pin-upy type-things. No guarantee I will get to it, or that it will be more than a sketch if I do, it depends on my time or how I feel when I draw it."


think that's pretty clear it's a maybe right?  This was right before i got several commissions off my etsy and am now suddenly busy. 

"Hey even if it is a line art, I have been DYING to color line arts.

As for commenting right now I can't comment anything cause of my computer, it just won't load the comment box so I am stuck leaving comments through notes....I am really sorry I know I should so I can get a picture but my computer really hates me."


Cue in FD_2, she gets posted in the comments.  Me, I think "Damn, that name sounds familiar" and ask for links.  Oh boy, do they deliver.   Apparently she's been featured in FD_2 (must be a member to see but has open membership, jounals discussed are linked in the TLDR section at the beginning of the post) here and here.   Great. I realize that it's best to end it now as I don't even like doing humans and she clearly wanted more than just a sketch (my sketches are often messy, not even colorable)

I did think the not being able to comment was weird.  I've heard of not being able to PM but commenting is generally not affected, did 'neer cut her off or something?

I posted:

"I probably won't get to it, I'm rather busy, sorry."

To which I received within minutes:

"What if I paid you then?"

Now...I'm used to dealing with the kind of people that try to set your prices for you. It's a peeve of mine, so rather than let that happen I immediately give people like her my prices--they are non-negotiable and it typically weeds out those looking to pay me $2 for hours of work.  I also try to be professional if at all possible.  I replied:

"I can make time (and you get bumped to the top of the list) if it is paid art. My normal commission price for a pinup is $30 for full color, $15 for line-art. I take paypal up-front. If you want to original sent to you it's $2.50 extra in the US, more if overseas or Canada. My paypal is *removed*, I can try to have it done for christmas eve if paid asap.

It would be in semi-realistic style as in my other pieces as I am not good at anime.


~Storms"

Ah, now I've done it.  I knew she didn't want to pay a fair price:

"It would take time since paypal loves to take days to get money on there, I guess I am willing to pay even if I can't visit my mom now. I really wanted the picture for my boyfriend. Just something to cheer me up and him since were not getting anything for christmas. Some crook has been messing with my money even in the bank taking it. Not hard I mean someone copied my card number. Now I am seriously getting low on money.

I was soo excited when you said you would do it....I will do anything to get the picture atleast it will be something for me for christmas and my boyfriend too."


Uhhuh.  Yea.  Days.  And I never said I would do anything.

"If your account numbers were stolen, you should call the bank and get them changed, especially if the crook went into the bank, they should have him or her on video! I hope you called the cops too, that's a very big deal O_O. Hope you get the person that did that, it's a terrible thing to do to someone.

I didn't say I definitely would do it, I said I might, if I had time. And when I couldn't I let you know. I really don't have the time to be doing free work atm as I've gotten several custom orders on my Etsy. What you are asking for is at least an hour or two's worth of work. I still left Moongara waiting and she's a regular commenter and watcher of my work, it would be insulting to put you ahead of her when she's given me such helpful critique.

I do hope you manage to have a nice holiday season with your mum and boyfriend despite all that. Family is always more important than art ^_^

~Storms"


I have to admit.  I was patronizing a little, I hate it when people give sob stories to try to cheat people out of art.

"Yes, but you still implied you would do it. Is there something wrong with me? Do people hate me or something, saying they will do a picture for me then later say they are too busy. I was really looking forward to this picture but now you just ruined christmas for me. I feel hurt and I cried and I might cry again. I don't feel like visiting my mom now and hurt her feelings cause I rarely even see her anymore.....I hurt my boyfriend now...

Please do the picture please, I don't have much money right now.....please, wheres the christmas spirit huh You basically told me you would do it I even told my boyfriend you were going to do it.....everyone is going to be disappointed now.....I hate my life....terrible things always has to happen to me on christmas....I am crying again...."


Oh dear.  Apparently I'm a Grinch that makes grown women cry.  After all, 15 dollars is a bank breaker, what is that, like, maybe an OK meal out?  Maybe 5 gallons of gas? 

I figured a flat out no would be best:

"No, I will not do a picture for you. I am also not happy that you would make promises to others for me that I cannot keep.

Honestly, I would feel like I am enabling someone who clearly needs to straighten her priorities. If you would blow this up out of proportion like this then there are clearly other issues at play. If you feel that upset perhaps you should consider a therapist, as it really isn't that big a deal that it should ruin Christmas.

I do hope that you sort out whatever it is and have a pleasant noel surrounded by family."


___

She hasn't read that last  PM. I'm kinda curious as to what her response will be, I admit.

ETA her response:

"Um, what the hell are you talking about? Do I know you? I don't know what your talking about and I am sorry if someone got on to my account and started messaging you...like what happened to my deviant art account. Probably someone who knows me and my character. I shall leave you alone now. It wasn't me cause I don't make promises to others for you. I was away for like over a week at my moms for christmas."

My final reponse before blocking her:

I do not believe you, and I do not like people that lie to me.  I am well aware you have done this to artists in the past. 

Others have been warned by me:
http://community.livejournal.com/artists_beware/286659.html

If you didn't try to lie to me, I would have been nicer.  You have been blocked and I will be sending this info to Dragoneer, as I'm sure he'd love to know about a hacker of an FA account.

~Storms.


A trouble ticket has been made and closed, the FA staff now have their eye on her, and I really did block her. 

I mean really.  REALLY?  It's not even like I pad my pockets with the money...If I wanted to give a sob story back, most of what I make from art goes straight into my colony of rescued rats, who IMHO are more deserving of my time.   

Obligatory cuteness:

Inari, the rat formerly known as Dinner.

(I'm sorry, I just love showing off my critters)

On a different note to people that like getting requests: at least watch the person, it's so rude to have someone come out of the blue demanding free art.  Also, the people that have the kinds of problems I pity don't throw them around to get free art.  They're respectable people who do their damndest to pick up whatever broken pieces are left and move on with their lives when trouble strikes. Gah. 

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lilenth
Dec. 23rd, 2009 09:47 pm (UTC)

Saw this one Furry_drama2, I will never understand why some people think that giving out freebies = obligated to give them one.
puppetmaker40
Dec. 23rd, 2009 09:49 pm (UTC)
Agree. I think this is where the phrase "This is why we can't have nice things" comes into play.

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weirdmisty
Dec. 23rd, 2009 09:50 pm (UTC)
Wow, that's just... I don't even know. She definitely comes off as a little off-kilter.
obsidianwolfess
Dec. 23rd, 2009 09:51 pm (UTC)
How dare you ruin Christmas! >:|


(Just kidding. I'm glad you straight-up told her no!)
artrica
Dec. 23rd, 2009 10:03 pm (UTC)
Ugh that is ridiculous, I'm sorry you had to go through that. ):

I did the same thing a few days ago with free requests and instantly people who I've never heard of before were postings refs without so much as a "please" which kinda irked me.

On another note, Inari is absolutely adorable! <3
stormslegacy
Dec. 24th, 2009 12:34 am (UTC)
Yea, in the other community we were discussing how this works, is there an art-whore phone tree...a website or something? Especially since most of these art-whores only watch people like Blotch, Goldenwolf or each other...
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lobotomysoup
Dec. 23rd, 2009 10:13 pm (UTC)
Oh my god I love the pattern on Inari! What a sweet looking babe. <3

Also oh ew. I've seen things posted about her before but didn't remember. Its good to know that she is the IF I DON'T GET THIS ART MY BLOOD WILL DRY OUT type. :/
armaina
Dec. 23rd, 2009 10:18 pm (UTC)
Hey uh, it's kinda weird referencing community pages we can't even see if we're not a member of said community. Aside from that, I hate people that use that kind of manipulation to get their way and parade their troubles to guilt a person into something.
grandioze
Dec. 23rd, 2009 11:27 pm (UTC)
The membership for furrydrama_2 is open, so if you want to see the posts, you could just join, read them, and then unjoin if you don't want to be a member. /shrug

That's what I'm doing. I might stick around since there's some funny stuff in that community. XD
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quinko17
Dec. 23rd, 2009 10:25 pm (UTC)
"It would take time since paypal loves to take days to get money on there..."

Heh. Heh. No. Actually, it doesn't.

As for the post, you were more than kind to this person. I applaud your continued civility throughout this exchange. *pets rat through screen*
westly_roanoke
Dec. 23rd, 2009 10:32 pm (UTC)
To be fair, if you're using a bank account, it does take three days for the transfer to go through.
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frisket17
Dec. 23rd, 2009 10:37 pm (UTC)
Wow. I really don't have much beyond that.

Secondly, you can see when someone on FA reads a note you sent? O.o
How if I may ask?
westly_roanoke
Dec. 23rd, 2009 10:40 pm (UTC)
Go to 'sent mail'

If it's orange, they haven't read it yet.
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werewolfofwater
Dec. 23rd, 2009 10:48 pm (UTC)
Wow so she cried and and got all depressed and hurt her boyfriend because she couldn't get free animu art? I wonder how long her relationship with her boyfriend is bound to last. I give it two more weeks maybe
serious_mccoy
Dec. 23rd, 2009 10:58 pm (UTC)
That's assuming she actually has that boyfriend, of course.
delphinios
Dec. 23rd, 2009 11:57 pm (UTC)
You had me at "Most of what I make from art goes straight into my colony of rescued rats, who IMHO are more deserving of my time."

Good for you, that is an awesome cause.
*Former Ferret Rescue*
lobotomysoup
Dec. 24th, 2009 01:41 am (UTC)
Yeah I dont know about ferret rescues, but rat ones can get crazy pretty fast.

In my area there is someone trying to dump their rats like every other day on Craigslist because as it turns out, you need to give animal attention or something. Otherwise they get iffy about you jamming your hands in their face and squeezing them oh dear.

I actually saved two girls from a girl that didn't understand why her rats didn't like playing with her cats, who she confessed and knocked the cage over more than once and one of the girls had to be stitched back up after her cat bit though her :C
NO SHIT THE ANIMAL DIDN'T LIKE YOU AFTER THAT FUCK

Sweetest little girl too, she ended up passing away about a year after I got them. Her organs where kinda fucked up after that. Her sister is a sweet girl, but can not be in a cage with others. She will bite them, even if you spend months getting everyone to know one another. :< That only started after her sis died too. /offtopic
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seth_unholy
Dec. 24th, 2009 12:03 am (UTC)
This girl is nuuuuts... I particularly enjoy the hamhanded guilt trip she tried to pull.

(On another note, my three ratty boys say hello to yours!)
stormslegacy
Dec. 24th, 2009 12:37 am (UTC)
Yea...I really think she is best avoided. I'm glad I got warning, I have no idea what I would have said if it was out of the blue.

*Inari rattie-secret-handshakes back ^_^*
thaily
Dec. 24th, 2009 12:04 am (UTC)
Wah fuckin' wah :/

I feel genuinely sorry for people who get robbed, but to milk it and every other little thing that's currently wrong with her life to try and guilt an artist into drawing them free porn? It raises questions about how much of their story is true and not just dramatized. Especially if she's supposedly willing to pay you for the art, even though she can't afford more important things, like family visits or an obligatory pair of christmas socks for her boyfriend.

Plus the whole "I IS A CRYING GIRL WAAAAH"-schtick makes me want to hit people about the head and neck with a big stick in a fit of feminist rage.

Also, Inari is adorable!
I rescue rabbits, and honestly, I can't think of any critter that isn't more deserving of charity than that whiny fapanese bint.
thaily
Dec. 24th, 2009 01:17 am (UTC)
Also, reading through some of the links..

"Do I have to commit suicide to get my damn icon?"

As someone who's familiar with suicide in many of it's nasty aspects and consequences that will drag on forever after the fact.. I'd tell her yes. Yes I would draw her an icon if she killed herself. I'd offer to chisel it onto her tombstone myself if that'd seal the deal.
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the_lest
Dec. 24th, 2009 12:36 am (UTC)
"I was really looking forward to this picture but now you just ruined christmas for me. I feel hurt and I cried and I might cry again. I don't feel like visiting my mom now and hurt her feelings cause I rarely even see her anymore.....I hurt my boyfriend now..."

I know it's maybe mean of me, but I laughed out loud.
thaily
Dec. 24th, 2009 01:01 am (UTC)
If you are, so am I. It's just so over-the-top, it reads like a parody O_o
Also, I thought she couldn't visit her mom, and now she doesn't want to?
kadaria
Dec. 24th, 2009 01:40 am (UTC)
>Apparently she's been featured here and here. <

These links are showing as 403 forbidden for me. Her reference sheet craps out too.

Either way, she sounds like a total crazypants and should be avoided.

ETA to add:
I checked out her FA page and it reminds me a lot of that purple otter guy honestly...only with anime cat girls. I also added you to my watch :)

Edited at 2009-12-24 01:46 am (UTC)
stormslegacy
Dec. 24th, 2009 02:04 am (UTC)
thanks ^_^

The links point to FD_2 entries where she was featured, the links to the journals in the TLDR part are the same thing without the commentary and should work OK.
raeraesama
Dec. 24th, 2009 01:44 am (UTC)
Oi...she sounds like a pain.

I know what you mean about free requests and how all a manner of people pop out of the woodwork. I do 10 free sketch memes occasionally to give something back to my watchers, but at least half the slots are taken up by people who you never saw before.

The bank account excuse pisses me off a little bit because I'm waiting for my new debit card right now after canceling my old one due to fraudulent charges. :/ As soon as I found out I called my bank and canceled the card. Not that freaking hard. Neither was filing the dispute, although I'm paranoid and worried I won't get my money back.
lobotomysoup
Dec. 24th, 2009 01:46 am (UTC)
Depends on your bank. Chase is actually pretty nice about it, or was when I had that issue.
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