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Mod post: New moderators and Poll!

Everyone please welcome kayla_la, oceandezignz, and puppetmaker40 as our new moderators! With their help, we should be able to cut back on the post and member approval time, as well as tagging our sizeable backlog of untagged posts.


I'd also like to ask everyone their opinion about advice posts. I admit I am in favor of them, because a little intervention early in a situation can prevent serious problems later on. But if you read the community info page, they don't exactly follow the original purpose of this community. So, I want to give you members a chance to decide if they should continue to be allowed, or if you want the community to go back to its roots as purely a warning community.


Poll #1494211 Advice posts
This poll is closed.

Should Artists_Beware continue to accept posts requesting advice for artists and commissioners?

Definitely
173(73.3%)
Sometimes
40(16.9%)
Only in extreme cases
18(7.6%)
Very rarely
3(1.3%)
Never
2(0.8%)

Community Tags:

Artist's beware has moved!
Do NOT repost your old bewares. They are being archived.
https://artistsbeware.info/

Comments

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filthy_animal
Dec. 4th, 2009 03:34 am (UTC)
I put extreme cases, but only because it seems kinda strange that so many folks just come here to say "hey I did a picture before the person paid me for it and now I can't get my money and they vanished" and such. Some stuff just seems very repetitive after a while, especially if they actually WATCH this community and see basically that same post over and over...

But I agree that advice posts are okay, just not for no-brainer stuff like what I mentioned above. Then again that becomes a tedious task of "what should artists know already" and etc. Maybe there could be a FAQ for things like this?
anjel_kitty
Dec. 4th, 2009 04:20 am (UTC)
Yeah ditto on the no brainer thing. Sometimes we just end up repeating ourselves over and over again with the "Take the money up front" or "get it in writing". I think this sort of stuff can be cleared up once we get things tagged and maybe even put links to it.
enveri
Dec. 4th, 2009 04:24 am (UTC)
Perhaps we could edit the user_info page to reflect to a FAQ, or otherwise educate people that entries are tagged, and help point them to the question that's been asked 20 times in the past month.
mfb
Dec. 4th, 2009 05:41 am (UTC)
I just wanted to post to let you know that unless I'm staring directly at it your icon looks like a really cool lemur astronaut mecha
enveri
Dec. 4th, 2009 05:46 am (UTC)
Hee. I... hadn't heard that one before! ;D
oceandezignz
Dec. 4th, 2009 05:08 am (UTC)
The idea for an FAQ on the no-brainer stuff seems pretty sweet to me. Same with a rundown of what you should/should not/can/cannot do with PayPal when it comes to commissions (like send money as a 'gift' when it should be for services/goods, etc.). We put a tag of "READ THIS FIRST" on it, and pray it works. XD
thaily
Dec. 4th, 2009 06:59 am (UTC)
Tags would partially solve the repetitive posts issue.
Let's hope the new mods get cracking on that ASAP.
kayla_la
Dec. 5th, 2009 12:24 am (UTC)
Doing so now, I'm going through each entry in order. It's going to take a while, so be patient, but it'll get done!
loveyouenola
Dec. 4th, 2009 03:43 am (UTC)
There should be a separate community called 'Artist-Advice' for such posts. In fact, I'd be surprised if there wasn't one already. This would allow more general chatter about the legal, moral and conventional wisdom of running commissions.

Keeping Artists-beware as a purebread 'this person has done the wrong thing' group will make it more relevant to those wishing to research a possible commissioner, or hire an artist.

This concept will allow those who don't wish to take part in procedural discussions in their friends list, a chance to either filter posts or not join the related 'advice' group. Nothing lost, and more flexibility for members.
dobie
Dec. 4th, 2009 04:13 am (UTC)
I agree with this comment...

I think a separate community for artists and commissioners to ask advice in would be wonderful.
kitefeathers
Dec. 4th, 2009 04:43 am (UTC)
If I may make a controversial request/inquiry. I was wondering why there isn't some sort of database here of artists/commissioners who have ripped off people or are who are in general troublesome?

Like, when I commissioned Suex I hadn't ever recalled seeing anything on her before, I realize that I also wasn't /looking/ for trouble with her, but I just think it would of helped me avoid a lot of trouble with her if I had seen that she was a troublesome person sometimes.
kerstin_orion
Dec. 4th, 2009 04:50 am (UTC)
The suggestion has come up from time to time, but it would be a monumental task to keep something like that updated. Tagging our old entries will have a bit of the same effect, though, and we should be starting on that soon!
ninykinin
Dec. 4th, 2009 05:39 am (UTC)
I think I know the Sue you are talking about, and yes I agree there should be a database somewhere. It is just to difficult trying to research a commissioners history unless they are an incredibly infamous commissioner.
I know of one site that is a miniature data base. But its only run by one person, so it isn't updated as often as it should be, and as far as I can tell most of the entries copy+pasted from Artists_beware posts. I'm not sure if that is good or bad.
funnily enough, Sue is on the very top of the page:
http://artlist.webs.com/blacklist.htm
onesteptwo
Dec. 4th, 2009 07:15 am (UTC)
Seux is Zeriara and I believe that's who she was talking about, not Sue Parsons.
ninykinin
Dec. 4th, 2009 02:59 pm (UTC)
My mistake ;)
onesteptwo
Dec. 4th, 2009 05:50 pm (UTC)
No worries. With the typo she made, I can see why you might make that mistake. :3
spiffystuff
Dec. 4th, 2009 05:03 pm (UTC)
There's a lot of problems with making a "database" - I think the best solution for this particular community is to try to tag all entries with the artist's name (good or bad) then people can go look at it to judge for themselves.

Another solution that someone else might want to try is to generate an artist "board of inquiry". It seems like a forum-style listing is another good way to work out disputes and also be somewhat searchable. The problem of course is that it generates a ton of drama for whoever manages the board to deal with DX
haricotvert
Dec. 4th, 2009 05:14 am (UTC)
i like preventing shit from escalating to where it needs to be posted here as a bad review.
raeraesama
Dec. 4th, 2009 05:51 am (UTC)
I do like that we can ask advice here.

However, I certainly wouldn't be adverse to having an art businees advice community either.
bladespark
Dec. 4th, 2009 08:21 am (UTC)
I'm perfectly fine with advice posts. Even obvious advice posts, although I would change that opinion if the community became flooded with them.

I suspect that a few squeaky wheels, complaining loudly about things going "off topic" are making this look like a bigger problem than it is.
kerstin_orion
Dec. 5th, 2009 02:32 am (UTC)
Actually, I felt I needed to bring it up because this was created to be a warning community, not a place to ask for advice. It has evolved that way over the years because so many members have fantastic advice for problems with commissions.

This same question was brought up a long time ago, and folks seemed to have no problem with the occasional advice post. I just wanted to check that the majority of people on here were still ok with that. This isn't a democracy, per se, but I feel everyone should at least have some input.
feather_dancer
Dec. 4th, 2009 09:19 am (UTC)
Well I certainly appreciated being able to ask for advice more so given it was someone who happened to have dealt with a charity in a similar manner so was a big help. If you did have a FAQ though you wou;lld need to message that person to point out it's location since you cannot "sticky" a comment in a community.

Afterall we all have brain fail moments to those who honestly do not know. I'd rather have somewhere anyone can ask no matter their level of ability without having to get someone going, WELL go ask elsewhere.
sawblade5
Dec. 4th, 2009 09:57 am (UTC)
One Thing that bugs me here is rather or not the compliant is about a sell or a buyer for commissions or both. I saw that one site linked about is a less flexible site like this one, but it is clear rather the complaint is about the seller or buyer.

I wonder if we should put a tag in the topics about this?
kerstin_orion
Dec. 4th, 2009 06:05 pm (UTC)
If you look at the list of community tags, you will see that they are marked artist-(name) and comm-(name).
suavis_venenum
Dec. 4th, 2009 11:50 am (UTC)
It should accept but those posts should be filtered with the right keyword in that case.
baronyiffington
Dec. 5th, 2009 12:13 am (UTC)
I voted "sometimes", because honestly, after seeing like the 10th post about "I did a commission but I didn't take a payment before I shipped it and now I can't get an e-mail back what do I do"... well, come on, it's common sense (which should be more common than it is).
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