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Opinion on an adult commission...

I have a customer (who wishes to remain anonymous) who is asking for some stuff that's totally out of my league, something I can't draw well but he's convinced i will be able to, and on top of that he's asking for some pretty extreme imagery. Now, i have told him I will give him a deal on three images he has asked for, but the fetish being used is so like... not my usual M.O. it's not even normal.

He's asking for a non-anthro character. I never in my life have drawn an animal, ever.  He still insists I make an attempt at this though.

The customer is CONVINCED that I will be able to execute this. I have already began a sketch but I am wondering if I should charge a little more  for the difficulty level and the time I will spend on this.

No money has exchanged hands. What do you think? Should a charge a little more for the extreme imagery? Should I reject  his generosity (I really need the money and I have not been commissioned in two years) and tell him to find someone more suitable?

Should I put my foot down and tell him that I can't draw animals?

And if anyone asks, he's a nice guy, has been quite polite aside from the continual ask for updates (nothing outside the norm though).

I am trying my hardest to accomodate him so I can get paid, I just want to make sure I'm charging a fair price.

I think he wants the images inked digitally. That for me is like 6 hours of work per image.

Be gentle, I'm a little slow when it comes to working but I can get stuff done.

I don't want to reveal what kind of imagery it is, either, let's safely say  it's not all that common and alot of people here would be offended by it if they saw it.


Any thoughts?

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ellonwye
May. 14th, 2009 12:30 am (UTC)
Do you really want to draw it?
furinari
May. 14th, 2009 12:35 am (UTC)
Well yeah, but it's not something I like particularly. That being said I am quite desperate and am willing to put up with it for this person in particular.
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leahtaur
May. 14th, 2009 12:33 am (UTC)
Honestly, I don't think all that stress is worth it, especially since money hasn't been paid yet. If you're not comfortable with it now, you definitely won't be while you continue to work on it. You also might not want your name associated with it. He sounds like he might potentially become a nitpicky, difficult customer too, if he's this insistent at the get go.

I'm http://www.furaffinity.net/user/leahtaur/ on FA, and as you can see, I'm not super ZOMG popular, but I do have a decent amount of watchers. If you're looking for commissions, I'd be happy to put the good word out in my journal for you. Plus, have you tried advertising on the FA forums? Some people have luck with that.

I just mean that when I'm sure other people are willing to commission you, it's not worth the trouble to deal with something you find distasteful.
furinari
May. 14th, 2009 12:36 am (UTC)
I generally don't take commissions but this person was a special case.
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bladespark
May. 14th, 2009 12:34 am (UTC)
Well, you should probably ask yourself a few questions.

Are you uncomfortable with the subject matter? How weird the fetish is doesn't really matter as much as how much you don't like it. You don't have to put this picture in your gallery and show it to the world, after all, you just have to draw it. But if drawing it makes you uncomfortable, I'd be turning down this commission. It's not really worth it, in my opinion.

How clear have you been with this customer about your abilities? You say that he's convinced you can do what he wants. Have you told him what you've told us here? Does he know this is a first for you?

And most importantly, is he willing to accept the results if they aren't exactly what he had in mind? That last is the big one. What happens if he's not happy? Are you prepared to deal with it if he isn't?

As far as price goes... yes you'll spend more time on this than on your usual work, but on the other hand you're rather strongly suggesting that the end result is going to be sub-par. So to me it doesn't seem very fair to charge extra for something that's not going to be your best. Of course it's also not fair to charge less when you're spending extra time on it. I'd say sticking to your usual prices is a good compromise, personally.
furinari
May. 14th, 2009 12:39 am (UTC)
He knows I won't be doing my best, I told him so. I hope I'm prepared to deal with the consequences if he doesn't like it.

My first "commissioner" from FA fucked me over by not sending me money after I had completed a great deal of the work.

Also your pricing sounds about right.
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growly
May. 14th, 2009 12:34 am (UTC)
If you're okay with the subject matter, then why not give it a try! It'll be good to force yourself to draw something you've never done before. Your commissioner already understands you haven't drawn a quad animal before, so he can't complain if it doesn't come out perfect. :)
skulldog
May. 14th, 2009 12:39 am (UTC)
If you don't really have any issues with trying to draw it, I'd make it very clear to the commissioner this isn't something you've drawn, and if they want to picky about art as it goes, you'll drop it.

I had a similar run in with a commissioner that was assured I could do what he wanted then he turned around and was completly unhappy with my attempt at his fetish. I dropped it and refunded him when I realized this wasn't a good combo.



Edited at 2009-05-14 12:42 am (UTC)
draike
May. 14th, 2009 12:43 am (UTC)
I don't want to reveal what kind of imagery it is, either, let's safely say it's not all that common and alot of people here would be offended by it if they saw it.
If you're that uncomfortable with it, in addition to feeling like its out of your league, drop it like a hot rock. No money has changed hands, so just politely tell him you aren't going to do it.
If you think a lot of people here would be that upset by it, you don't want to know what the general public will think if this piece of artwork gets posted elsewhere with your name attached to it. More importantly, consider the extremity of what's being drawn. Could it possibly get you into legal trouble?

I know a lot of people would lower their commission standards to get by in these tough times, but it sounds like this is something that could potentially come back to bite you in the future. This commissioner sounds like he's taking advantage of your financial situation to get you to draw him something really extreme, and if you're not okay with drawing it, you shouldn't have to.
moonvoice
May. 14th, 2009 12:44 am (UTC)
Trust in your own abilities. Firmly say that you do not think that at this stage you can draw this image, because of your skills, but that you may be open to future requests from him in the future.

Alternatively, negotiate an agreement to just draw one picture, and if he likes that; continue on with the second two.
furinari
May. 14th, 2009 12:54 am (UTC)
This sounds like a better idea.
silentsamael
May. 14th, 2009 12:54 am (UTC)
If you feel comfortable draw it, but remember that your name will be attached to that image forever. If you are still comfortable with the idea after considering that, then gogo!
shimmer_critter
May. 14th, 2009 12:59 am (UTC)
I would suggest you bill him an additional hourly rate for the extra work you've got to put in for the image. If you're that determined for the money, that is. I know how it is in hard times. But PLEASE consider taking money upfront. I take half as downpayment - produce sketch and line art - then 2nd half of payment - produce colours.
Most people will take your art and run if they didn't pay upfront. It's a sad truth.
But he does sound like a commissioner I ended up dropping after they got just too demanding. I don't suppose this guy is looking for pictures of otters, is he? >.< The content was hard enough, but his fussing over line art was even worse. To me, it sounds like the sort of think you may regret. Drawing out of your comfort zone can either drive you batty trying to get it perfect, or you'll give up from the start and produce something the buyer naturally won't be impressed with.
furinari
May. 14th, 2009 01:09 am (UTC)
He's said he will help me with the art. He's not looking for otters, no.
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celestinaketzia
May. 14th, 2009 01:21 am (UTC)
Firstly, STOP~! Do not do any work without taking your payment. At least half of it. This person may be your friend, but I've had an online friend I knew for 10+ years try to worm out of paying a $10 commission.
aerotheacrobat
May. 14th, 2009 01:37 am (UTC)
I personally won't take any commission I even question. I usually am not loosing much by saying no once in a while. I sometimes say it'll be an extra charge if it's something I don't like but I'm not bothered by it that bad.


I also don't draw animals/nonanthro/feral/ect.
ursulav
May. 14th, 2009 01:38 am (UTC)
First of all, nobody gets to insist that you make an attempt to draw anything.

Anybody who INSISTS you try to draw something that you've said "Nah, I don't think I can," is gonna be a pushy jerk in other ways, and you're going to regret working with them, period, end of story.

I'd drop this like a hot rock, because the guy sounds like he's being an ass about it now, and that won't get any better. Trust your warning bells going off here and say no.

I say this as somebody who did plenty of scrambling to pay rent commissions back in the day, and trust me...when it starts this way, it doesn't get better.
mialattia
May. 14th, 2009 02:25 am (UTC)
Don't do it.

No matter how 'convinced' somebody is of it, if you know it's a first for you and it's really intense and you're not totally comfortable with the subject matter/fetish, then it's not worth it. Also, when this happens, the commissioner will sometimes use your inexperience as an opportunity to nitpick, change, try and add more things... etc.

Maybe that's a 'big bad customer' scenario, but I've heard stories.

Anyway, just don't do it, no matter how they insist. It's not worth it.
anjel_kitty
May. 14th, 2009 03:44 am (UTC)
Does the guy possibly want you to draw fat anthro animals eating naked boyscouts or something to that affect?
neolucky
May. 14th, 2009 03:59 am (UTC)
I was approached by this guy once. Holy shit. *LOL*
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furinari
May. 14th, 2009 10:09 am (UTC)
Uh, no, I can't. This is the first customer I've had in a long time because most people feel my art isn't worth money. I only had one other loyal customer, the awesome Spiritplumber.
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