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Ten days ago, someone named Misty Crom sent a private message on FurAffinity, asking if I could accept a commission with a deadline - the 27th - and how much it would cost. He wasn't sure exactly what he wanted, other than it would involve two characters: A shrinking male fox and a busty vixen. This was meant to be done for St. George's Day.  

It took three or four more emails before I could get him to decide on a pose and scene and setting, and it took plenty of needling. Instead of sending descriptions of the characters and background, he sent a story, expecting me to read it, and I suppose to choose a scene from it to illustrate.  But, as I said, I eventually get him down to this: The shrunken fox sitting on a canopy bed, watching the busty vixen showing off a green dress with yellow trim, next to a dresser with a tudor rose in a vase on it. He included an image of a Victorian-esque manor house - from the outside - to 'give me an idea of what the bedroom will look like'.  Also, a link to his gallery for reference images of his character - a blue winged fox - and a naked drawing of a vixen with huge tits. It is now the 14th, three days after he originally asked for the art.  And he ever so politely reminds me that this has to be done by the 23rd.

I start sketching, drawing a busty vixen and the shrunken fox, looking at his gallery to see what he looks like. Blue fox with wings- that's his character in the first five uploads of his site. That must be it, right? So I send him the sketches, and he suddenly has tons of tweaks and suggestions, some that are helpful, and some that are not. He wants more tits on the girl, provides a link for the type of dress he wants her in (why did he not send that in the first place? It would have HELPED.), and informs me that the boy fox in this story - his character - doesn't have wings and is normal colored. Again: Why didn't he specify that in the beginning?

I fix all the little details he wants changed, and start coloring. He has more changes to be made. I make them, add background, show him that. MORE changes to be made**. Finally, he's satisfied. I add my watermark, and upload it to my FA gallery, breathing a sigh of relief. This is last night that I wrap it up, nine days later, and three days before the deadline. Not bad!

I get this in my email this morning: 

"you posted it?! why?
 
i said. i was saving that for thursday.
 
aw fuck its ruined. i said dont post it untill i do. first thing i said when i comissioned you, im sure of it. thats 2 in one day thatve been posted before i could do so. can you please take it down untill i have posted it?"


First off, no party during a commissioned art piece - be it customer or artist - should EVER swear during communication. It is immature, aggressive, and tantrumesque. Second, he never asked me not to post the image to my gallery before the 23rd. He said he needed it by the 23rd. That is not the same as 'don't post this till I do plz'.

I informed him that the image would be deleted, and to please be more clear in the future as to what he wanted and expected, as not once was I asked to refrain from uploading anything. And indeed, I have deleted the image. It will probably not be uploaded again.


TO CONCLUDE:

Misty Crom,
Pros: Paid quickly and in full.

Cons
: Did not know what he wanted from the get-go, expected the artist to wade through his personal story and make decisions on the art that were HIS to make, did not provide adequate links or image references or written descriptions from the beginning, got extremely picky, very bad communication on what he wanted or expected.

So, beware!

**Just to make a note, I don't mind clients being picky and pointing out things they want changed, added, subtracted, etc. It's important that they be satisfied with the end product. However, when a client doesn't give specifics in the beginning, it is very irritating to suddenly be given specifics after you've started work - especially in another direction.

 

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anjel_kitty
Apr. 22nd, 2009 02:23 am (UTC)
Yeah this guy seems like he needs to learn more effective communications skills because artists can't read minds.
bladespark
Apr. 22nd, 2009 02:27 am (UTC)
Euuugh. These people are the worst! I love "oh, do whatever you want" customers, and I can handle "He has six whiskers on the left and four in the right, and 22 stripes down his back and..." people so long as they give it all up front, but when they start off vague and then bring out the ridiculous details it drives me crazy.
beechan2
Apr. 22nd, 2009 02:38 am (UTC)
I have to ask, round about how much did you charge? With the amount of changes you had to make, the amount of DETAILING he wanted in it, and the fact that he made you play guessing games from the get go, I'd be charging him a pretty penny for all of your work, time and money spent working on it.

The "I know I want something but I don't know what I want, you guess for me" ones are the "best". Yep.

~~Bee
stormslegacy
Apr. 22nd, 2009 03:19 am (UTC)
I would have told him I charge for reading stories more than a couple paragraphs long.

I'd also alter your contract to include how many things can be changed and at what stage of you haven't already. I might've charged for the major alterations.

It sounds like he isn't familiar with working with artist's, hopefully he will learn and get better ^_^ At least he paid in full and everything; it sounds like he just has a little bit to learn.
witchiebunny
Apr. 22nd, 2009 03:58 am (UTC)
I've done one commission for Misty, and swore I wouldn't do another but I've taken on one of the St. George's Day commissions to help fund a move.

He can be picky, and very testy about his characters-I did the first commission in ustream, and it helped tremendously to avoid this kind of thing.

I was sent a *lot* of information on my initial commission dealing with him. Granted, he sent the information in December, and by January I hadn't yet gotten to it.

He had messaged me once asking what was up, I replied I was in the middle of personal business (leaving my husband, essentially). He asked for details, and I refused to give them.

A few weeks later, he messaged me, very belligerant and cussing me out because I hadn't been in contact with him and according to my FA commissions page, which I hadn't updated in four years, I wasn't working on anything.

I explained to him it was an error I would fix, and he continued to be belligerant at which point it was only by telling him exactly what was going on in my life that he backed off and even offered an apology. He was overly picky during the commission (again, the not sure exactly what he wanted), and I counted myself done.

(For the record, I went to another artist, who informed me just *how* in the wrong I was in not being on top of communication with him, and said he was fully justified in being pissed off and cussing at me in the notes on FA over the commission page. When I said I felt that he could have approached it in a more civil manner, I was again informed I was in the wrong and was even told of a community on LJ-this one in fact-that would back them up in that. I left that one alone. I don't doubt I was in the wrong, but I don't think I deserved to be treated like that.)

I made my mistakes in dealing with him for sure, but he does have a tendency to be quite rude and quick to be upset, but does pay promptly and expects his art delivered as promptly, even if details tend to be lacking.
witchiebunny
Apr. 22nd, 2009 03:59 am (UTC)
Oh and I will add, this was all over a $10 commission.
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ransomdracalis
Apr. 22nd, 2009 06:13 am (UTC)
I've dealt with Misty Crom before. Avoid him. His money isn't worth his idiocy.
thaily
Apr. 22nd, 2009 07:38 am (UTC)
If he wants to be "first" to upload work to his gallery, maybe he should start drawing and then stop cussing out honest artists over cheap commissions.
oceandezignz
Apr. 22nd, 2009 09:05 am (UTC)
This. This! THIS!! Hell, anyone who wanted to be the 'first' to post a piece of artwork done by ME in their -own- gallery before I can place it in my owm, better have a very legit reason other than 'I just wanted to be the one to do it first... boohoo play me some linkin park bwaaah' stuff.
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frazzled_niya
Apr. 22nd, 2009 07:40 am (UTC)
Sounds like a right nightmare...
mialattia
Apr. 22nd, 2009 06:31 pm (UTC)
Oh god. I hate commissioners like that. They start bringing out allll this info they should have known from the getgo. Hilariously, the worst offender I've had to deal with on that issue was my uncle.

Sorry to hear you had all that trouble and then he flipped a shit because things weren't perfect in his little world.
china_kitty
Apr. 22nd, 2009 07:11 pm (UTC)
Oh god, I once dealt with a person like him before, except it's a free request and not a commission.

Seriously, this guy REALLY needed to learn to communicate more effectively.
haricotvert
Apr. 29th, 2009 05:09 am (UTC)
i had one like that too! he was all "oh i'll spread your name and everything" and i was like.. "okay?" i wanted to build my rep a little and thought it would help. so i did his commission, he was just as bad as this guy with the pickyness after the fact. then he tells me i can't post it here, here, and here til such and such a date. fine. so i post it there, which was not on the list of here's. and HE GOES APESHIT on me.

do clients even have the position to tell you where you can and cannot post commissioned work?
karohardfang
Apr. 28th, 2009 08:06 pm (UTC)
I too have dealt with misty. I have to agree with ransom's comment above. his money isn't worth his idiocy.
not to mention he badmouths people that he is "helping out"

I was low on gas money so he commissioned me to help me out. snet me the money and everything. THEN [this is in an irc chat room] proceeds to start asking what kind of viehical it is. when I mention it is a chevy blazer spor tmodel. he starts going off the handle about americans and our big SUV's and how british cars are all that and etc. so basically after he helps me out with gas money, he starts bashing american automobiles and their drivers in essence calling us stupid.
I hear tell later that he doesn't even drive himself. I do not know if that is true. if it is then he's all the more moronic.
haricotvert
Apr. 29th, 2009 05:09 am (UTC)
i have problems with people posting my artwork in their galleries, so i don't allow it. if they didn't do the art, it shouldn't go in THEIR galleries.
dragon695
May. 15th, 2009 07:06 pm (UTC)
AMEN! I can not tell you how frustrating it is to browse FA and see the same picture show up twice or sometimes even more. This practice has got to end.
dragon695
May. 15th, 2009 07:04 pm (UTC)
I think vanity galleries should be eliminated from FA all together and only the original artists be allowed to post images.
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