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I have a friend who owns a paysite who has found some of his paysite content avialable for download at a "donate-for-access" adult material messageboard, and is flailing futily to get them to stop.

My friend owns hxxp://www.fem-powerextreme.com/. Please, no comments about the material itself, i'm trying to keep this to a mature conversion.

Anyway, he started this website only recently and already he's found that someone ripped the material  off the site and posted it here:

hxxp://www.saradas.org/

Which is a donate-for-access adult material messageboard.

Now the owner (whom I know as Tigersan) has stated in his journal at DA all the details he cares to wish to divulge to the public.

Tigersan is more than your average poser user. He makes his own  models and his own textures so essentially the work is his own.

Anyway, apparently Tiger signed up for the site just to ask the admin to take the content down and was immediatley banned.
I told him to start preparing a DMCA notice, and did some who-is lookups.

The servers are based in Serbia. I don't know what Serbian copyright law dictates but there isn't any readily-available way to even contact the admins.

Is there any way anyone knows how to break this stalemate for him?  I'd hate to see Tigersan's paysite fail even before it starts.

Trust me it takes him far longer than people recognize to make these pictures. The textures are exclusive to his work only.

He seems pretty beat up over this and it pains me to know that there is nothing we can do to stop this site from pirating his paysite material.

There's really no way to find out ANY info about Serbian copyright law, although we will sure as heck try, hopefully this community can give us some insight and possibly, some firepower Tigersan can use.

(Please don't discuss wether pirating paysite material is justifiable or not either, I'm trying to solve a problem here).

The reason why Tiger wouldn't post this himself  is that he doesn't have a LJ account.

Thanks to anyone that can help and have a great and peaceful day.

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borderfuck
Mar. 5th, 2009 01:54 am (UTC)
In Soviet Russia, porn steal you.
furinari
Mar. 5th, 2009 02:12 am (UTC)
Morbo is pleased but sticky.
borderfuck
Mar. 5th, 2009 02:19 am (UTC)
Jeff Albertson is content, but round.
lastres0rt
Mar. 5th, 2009 01:56 am (UTC)
Serbia is part of the Berne Convention, so they have to respect your copyright the way they would Serbian copyright, whatever laws those are.

Work from there, I suppose.
snapesgirl34
Mar. 5th, 2009 03:13 am (UTC)
dianae posted this journal over at Deviantart with lists of people willing to help translate in cases of art theft: http://dianae.deviantart.com/journal/21479812/ sbus and bernardfokke are the two people who said they'd be willing to help translate Serbian, so they might be willing to help you contact the host site.

Good luck.
aerfox
Mar. 5th, 2009 10:40 am (UTC)
I myself work for a paysite and I just have to say:
Your material WILL get stolen, and it WILL get pirated, and you can't stop that with the exception of going to a few places to request it on a DNP list.
Someone will always take your shit.

You just have to count on your fanbase being willing to support you as the artist to graciously pay the $10 a month or whatever. There's really nothing you can do to stop this in the long run. You may be able to stop this individual case -- But it'll happen again.
cruithear_lorr
Mar. 6th, 2009 01:03 am (UTC)
This is why I think art theft is a serious problem.

Your art is your property and you have legally enforcable rights protecting it. When someone steals this commodity you rely on for profit, they aren't only unjustly profiting from something that isn't theirs, they're doing so at your expense. That's why we have laws to protect artists from art theft.

I hope we can enforce copyright laws more.
iguanaartgirl
Mar. 5th, 2009 06:27 pm (UTC)
May I play devil's advocate and suggest that he consider maybe ignoring this?

Now, I know it's a breach of copyright. I know someone else is potentially profiting off of this. I KNOW IT'S TERRIBLE. I am not supporting the actions of the thief in anyway. In fact, I 100% agree that they should take it down if possible.

However, lets consider the fact that any attempts to remove it could, and probably will be, ignored. What happens then? Does your friend's site stop getting customers? No. Does your friend's site stop existing simply because one of it's subscribers is posting the work somewhere else? No.

I am good friends with Jay Naylor, who runs his own paysite. Jay constantly has people reposting his work FOR FREE everywhere. He used to fight these people, but it was cutting into the time he normally used for creating his content that he eventually gave up. He found that, even though his work was being pirated, it was not cutting into his profit at all. In fact, people were seeing the free posts, wanted to see where it came from, and actually ended up becoming paid subscribers. In a way, the pirates became advertizers FOR his pay site. And he makes his living primarily from that pay site, and a comfortable one at that.

Again, I'm not saying this is what your friend should do, and I agree that if these people are making money off his work that something should be done. I am an artist too, so I understand wanting to be properly compensated for your time and effort. However, if at the end of the day he is spending more time chasing pirates than he is creating content, perhaps he should worry more about providing content to the people who actually appreciate what he does enough to support him than chasing a very SMALL number of assholes who don't. It's not the answer, but rather a back-up solution just in case any DMCA notices are ignored.

Just my two cents...
furinari
Mar. 6th, 2009 01:55 am (UTC)
This isn't like some person sharing the porn freely, it's hosted on a "donate-for-access" website wich is essentially their lingo for "paysite." They ARE profiting from this.
ravyn_crescent
Mar. 20th, 2009 12:38 am (UTC)
I suggest your friend watermarks the images. Like others are saying, this can work as free advertising so, at the very least, there is a way to make a plus on it... just a small bit of text somewhere on the image can do a lot to help people see the real creator. OR, what I've seen many artists do, it put, in small text, somewhere on the image "image made for X. If found elsewhere, please report." That gets VERY annoying to the thieves!
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