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I think his journal on FA and my response sums it all up nicely: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/646177/

But basically, he is one of those commissioners who expected me to read his mind. I have hundreds of positive commission experiences, and so far, this is the ONLY time I've ever felt the need to cancel the commission. I'm normally very patient and easy to work with, but one thing I do not tolerate is being insulted by saying my prices are too high, being expected to read people's minds of what they want, and generally just being talked to like a machine rather than a person.

Needless to say, I'm no longer accepting money orders because I certainly don't want someone who flies off the handle and calls me such names, having my address. :/

Supposedly this guy has commissioned some of "the best" artists, so I'm sure that he has some artists on his side, but I just wanted to share this so people know what he IS capable of, and so people like me who don't tolerate commissioners like him, know to watch out.

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Mar. 3rd, 2009 02:34 am (UTC)
Approved, but I would suggest posting the links for those screencaps here (and maybe one of his journal), in case he takes it down.
Mar. 3rd, 2009 02:41 am (UTC)
This. He seems like someone that would delete/hide your comment if at all possible.
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Mar. 3rd, 2009 02:43 am (UTC)
This guy is an idiot- he really did expect you to read his mind, giving you all that information afterwards.
There would be no way to fix what you have there, you would have had to start all over.
That is seriously ridiculous, and I would bet that there are others who have had problems with this guy.
Mar. 3rd, 2009 02:44 am (UTC)
Holy hell, that's really immature and scary! I've never in my life had a commissioner snap at me like that, even when the sketch isn't what they want. The proper way to handle that would have been to say, "hmm, I think we have a miscommunication here. This sketch isn't what I expected, so allow me to provide you with further details and perhaps some visual references. Let's work something out!" The improper way to handle this is to call you a bunch of names, like he did. =/
Mar. 3rd, 2009 03:51 am (UTC)
Yeah it would have been nice to have some positive as WELL as negative feedback, you know... so I wouldn't feel the work I'd done was COMPLETELY hopelessly bad in every aspect, which I don't think it was. But he seems to lack the social skill of at least showing appreciation for the work that someone is doing for them (and for 33% less than what I would charge for something like this normally.) :I

He even admitted to being overly picky, so you'd think he'd understand my turning down the commission xD
Mar. 3rd, 2009 02:50 am (UTC)
While his behavior was a little picky, I can't say that for a full piece that he was not within his rights; isn't that what the sketch stage is for? He was a little rude, but as an artist it's best to take it with a grian of salt; not everyone knows how to communicate effectively. I didn't read that as insulting your price so much as explaining why he felt he had a right to be picky. Not saying it was polite, but that you could easily have taken that differently.

Not to say that his flying off the handle when you returned his money was okay at all O_o but what did you say to him when rejecting his commission? That part seems to be missing (forgive me if it was posted and I don't see it), which is why I ask.

Mar. 3rd, 2009 02:58 am (UTC)
It's within a commissioner's right to object and ask for a clarified piece, yes, but expecting all of that detail right away when you didn't make it clear the first time, THEN acting in that manner is completely out of hand and even if an artist is "supposed to take it with a grain of salt", I wouldn't take a commission from someone I was afraid would continue abusing me in such a way either.
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Mar. 3rd, 2009 02:55 am (UTC)

Btw, if he has deleted this, and you need screencaps of this journal, just say so. I grabbed them and all current comments.
Mar. 3rd, 2009 02:58 am (UTC)
As did I.
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Mar. 3rd, 2009 02:57 am (UTC)
Holy crap. I would've dropped him the moment he didn't give any details upfront. D:
Mar. 3rd, 2009 03:14 am (UTC)
Yeah, the whole not even specifying what characters he wanted really bugged me, too.
Mar. 3rd, 2009 03:10 am (UTC)
Hmmm...you left out this screencap.


(uploaded to mine because I photoshopped out the commissioner's addy)
Mar. 3rd, 2009 03:17 am (UTC)
Yeah I thought I'd deleted it and re-done it but I guess it didn't upload properly. I replaced it with another, less relevant screencap that I didn't think to post with the comment until after.

But yes, good example of how he claims to have said not to use Seely's examples, when he never did, and that he suggested I draw them digitigrade, which he never did, though I tried to make them 'in-between' because of the fact he never specified.
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Mar. 3rd, 2009 03:15 am (UTC)
i REALLY love his response to you mailing out (the refund i assume). :/
Mar. 3rd, 2009 03:17 am (UTC)
Yeah. He was perfectly calm and mature (albeit difficult as all hell) before that. It made me feel even better about my decision to drop it.
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Mar. 3rd, 2009 03:20 am (UTC)
This guy creeps me out a bit, and not just because he wants nude, 'modified' 10 year boys..

I almost have to wonder if English is not his main language, just by how he types. Still no excuse.

Thanks for the heads up though, sorry you had to even deal with him at all.

Edited at 2009-03-03 03:20 am (UTC)
Mar. 3rd, 2009 03:26 am (UTC)
Wow, what a douche. Thanks for the heads-up!
Mar. 3rd, 2009 04:59 am (UTC)
ahahahaaaah. i love the look on your dragon's face. PRICELESS.
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Mar. 3rd, 2009 03:51 am (UTC)
god forbid you attempt to inflict some sense of anatomy on his characters, and also forbid that you do the right thing and send his money back to him if you're not planning on completing the commission, wtf.

but from 'koutoni's last reply to the FA journal you linked to, I'm assuming he called you worse someplace? if so, I'm not seeing it... did he edit that entry?
Mar. 3rd, 2009 03:53 am (UTC)
In my comment to the journal, I linked to his most recent note to me where he was screaming at me in caps, which I presume he sent as soon as he had his precious $80 bucks back in his hands, and then directly proceeded to post his little journal.
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Mar. 3rd, 2009 03:55 am (UTC)
Wow...just wow. I'll totally avoid this guy. x_X
Mar. 3rd, 2009 04:23 am (UTC)
Hoo boy.

You do AWESOME work, and I can't believe what a twit he's being over this.

He's on my "not with a fifty-foot pole" list now.
Mar. 3rd, 2009 05:02 am (UTC)
That's just... Not that I'm name-calling, but that sort of behavior is almost psychotic. Even before his last screamy response to your refund, ("Wannabei?") there's a distinctly creepy/"off" vibe about this guy, and not in the fun way.

Thanks very much for the warning... I'll certainly be adding this one to my blacklist. I don't have time for that sort of nonsense.
Mar. 3rd, 2009 06:07 am (UTC)

the don't -indeed-, sir.
Mar. 3rd, 2009 06:31 pm (UTC)
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