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Manga University = Vanity Scam?

 Hello. I'm coming to you guys today about a recent DA 'publisher' calling itself "Manga University".
 

They are offing artists the chance to gain 'Exposure' by submitting art to their new volume, "Manga Without Borders vol 2" And are basically asking that artists first pay an entrance fee of $20 to get their work approved, critiqued by a 'real manga artist in Japan'  and THEN if they happen to make it through the submission phase, will have to pay an extra $100 to get one page in the book. So for a whopping $120, you too can get a page in their shoddy book, including a short bio about yourself.

Not only that but you get a free copy (Ahem, sorry, 2 copies) of the book you might POSSIBLY make it into, as well as a 'free' critique! Wow! that's a great value right? 

No. No it's not.

After asking why they were charging this much, to give such little in return, me and others valid and UNFLAMMATORY comments were hidden. They opened up a news article here to "advertise" about their book, only to be scrutinized there as well. And then recently posted a new journal claryfing things. When it only just continued to spew out the same bullshit as before. And made sure NOT to mention the extra $100 fee.

Just a warning to people who might see this as an opportunity: Any publisher that charges you that sort of money, is baloney. You can self publish for less, and distribute your work that way. Their books do not sell very well as it is, and taking advantage of younger naive artists is pretty much criminal in my eyes. I'd like this to be known about, before they get any attention for it.

The fact is, this smells fishy. I'd like to not only warn other artists about it, but to start up a conversation about this. I know the "How to draw Manga" books are pretty widely known, but this seems like some offshoot publisher, trying to set up a Vanity marketing scheme using younger artists.

Discuss. And if this is the wrong place to post this, I apologize.

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thaily
Feb. 27th, 2009 12:09 pm (UTC)
Sounds like vanity publishing. Did you mention this in your DA journal as well?
neolucky
Feb. 27th, 2009 07:37 pm (UTC)
I sure did! I wasn't sure if this would be posted right away so I made sure to journal about it on DA.
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aerfox
Feb. 27th, 2009 12:21 pm (UTC)
If by "A real manga artist in Japan" they mean a greasy, white-ass weaboo hovering over his Paypal account in his mum's basement, then yeah.
oceandezignz
Feb. 27th, 2009 05:50 pm (UTC)
Win description!

I will have nightmares now.
atateatarin
Feb. 27th, 2009 12:32 pm (UTC)
Seconding the calling of baloney, and adding/reiterating:

Rule of publishing economics: 'Money flows towards the author.'

With the exception of legitimate self-publishing mobs (and even in the cases of, as far as professional work, or work you want to be taken as professional is concerned), it's best to avoid these kinds of folk. It's widely advised throughout the publishing industry that in the case of any publisher (or agent) who tries to charge you for their services it is doubtful that you will ever, a) see your work in its printed form, or b) receive the exposure you're after if it does happen to be printed (and likely with lackluster quality).
Reputable publishers and agents make money by acquiring work they perceive as having potential and taking a percentage of the sales, or pay authors a one-time payment for the right to print their work (some periodicals, magazines, and some anthologies work this way, and make their money on sales of the magazines/etc), and not by charging their authors an inclusion fee.


To me, this seems like a manga version of the classic 'poetry/short-story anthology' scam.



Thanks for posting! :D It's good to let people know about this kind of thing.
roll_soul
Feb. 27th, 2009 01:23 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the heads-up. I posted this in my journal there so more people could hear about it.
life_on_m
Feb. 27th, 2009 02:17 pm (UTC)
Sorry to sound jaded, but this is an old, old, old scam. People SHOULD know better than to trust and opt for things like that.

Edited at 2009-02-27 02:17 pm (UTC)
lastres0rt
Feb. 27th, 2009 03:54 pm (UTC)
Yup. Same shit, different shingle.

Artists are always seen as an easy mark.



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zorichan
Feb. 27th, 2009 02:25 pm (UTC)
That would explain the low quality work in the first book I saw over at Borders. The only books you pay to be published in are those illustration books that advertise various artists for graphic design projects. This manga thing is a waste of time and money.
anjel_kitty
Feb. 27th, 2009 05:12 pm (UTC)
So its sort of like "Whos Who of American --- Students"
but for Manga?
dingus
Feb. 27th, 2009 05:44 pm (UTC)
i dunno if this helps but lulu.com's a good self-publishing alternative. as a former employee i can say they're not a scam (though there are a lot of things they do i'm not happy with)

they don't have the traditional manga size, but they do have regular comic size
neolucky
Feb. 27th, 2009 07:39 pm (UTC)
Lulu.com IS awesome. I've worked with them for several years, and have self-published 4 books now. Each actually selling quite well!
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meradragon
Feb. 27th, 2009 05:46 pm (UTC)
I remember how our teacher one year tried to have us submit to some retarded poetry book scam.

Luckily I forgot to turn my poem in on time.
spiffystuff
Feb. 27th, 2009 06:49 pm (UTC)
UHG TEACHERS SHOULD TELL YOU TO AVOID SCAMS NOT PARTICIPATE IN THEM!

Sorry for the internet-shouting... that really bothers me. >:(
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namitheuntamed
Feb. 27th, 2009 05:59 pm (UTC)
Sounds like poetry.com. Definitely a scam I say.
hobokitten
Feb. 27th, 2009 07:24 pm (UTC)
Wow you can smell that scam a mile away.
But of course, people will fall for it because they want all the fame with none of the work.
koi_suru_usagi
Feb. 27th, 2009 07:48 pm (UTC)
I laughed when I read this. Mainly because I send in stuff all the time to publishers and it only costs me as much as shipping is. Anything that doesn't have a progress diagram like this:

1. Draw shit
2. Mail it in
3. ???
4. Profit/Draw shit again!

Is not worth your time.
But yes, sadly people will fall for this because they're weaboos who want to be able to brag "Well I was in a Manga book! There for I is elite manga artist!"
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neolucky
Feb. 27th, 2009 11:21 pm (UTC)
Oh yeah, I know some larger books charge entry fees. I don't mind that, it's the $100 extra that irks me. There's no reason to pay that, whatsoever. Its a huge chunk of change for some to get minimal exposure. And apparently this book does go into stores...but I doubt it gets bought much, if at all.
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draconianrain
Jun. 27th, 2009 01:50 am (UTC)
I read all of the extra details on it and what I think is the biggest rip off is not only paying that much money to be published, but there are no royalties. The artists that get published don't get their rightful money for each book sold and having two "free copies" is suppose to make up for it?

There is fine print which is really hard to find,but basically it says they keep all the rights for your image and not you...? This has to be the worst part if you ask me.
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