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A follow up to Paka's post, about Kora.

I have decided I need to make a post about Kora. Many people told me to do so, and I didn't want to, but she has tried to kill my reputation with exxagerations and outright lies, so I should get the truth out.

Basically, FA user Kora commissioned me for a four page adult, TF themed comic. Basically, she wanted me to continue where this artist left off. This was posted after I accepted the commission, and Kora had seemed nice up until then, so I was fine with it.

It was going to be $450 for a 4 page inked comic. She later added on another 4 pages at the same price, bringing her total to $900. Now, my terms for comics are very different than my terms for illus. Instead of approving a sketch, thumbnails are approved. Kora paid aftrer the sketches for the first 4 pages, and then after the thumbnails for the last 4, $450 each time.

Now, I was taking awhile on this particular commission, because it involved some things I am not all that practiced in (or skilled in), including a couple detailed backgrounds, transformation, and horses. I was also a little uncomfortable with the subject matter (it included what I would describe as beastiality at least partially), but I shrugged it off because I was being paid for it, and continued working.

I kept Kora updated, especially where it was slow going, but after some time let her know that I thought she should contact me in FA notes, instead of over IM, because I was uncomfortable with her conduct around me. She would make "rp comments" about me, and call me "her sexy drake". I confronted her and let her know that FA notes would be the way to go. She became very upset with me, claiming we were supposedly friends and she felt betrayed. I was a bit aghast with this, because although I spoke with her, I did not, in any way, indicate that it was anything more than a casual business relationship. She became very irate later on, when I checked my notes (fa has a system where you can see if your notes have been read or not), but did not respond immediately. I was hurrying out the door at that time and just decided to check to see if there were any very important notes. I figured i could respond to Kora's when I arrived home, but instead I was greeted with accusation. She believed I was trying to avoid doing the work, and I should have responded to her note immediately. This is the very same "artists are slaves" attitude chronicled in the previous entry about her. I decided to work through it with her, as I did not have a job at that time and really needed the income for bills, and allowed her to contact me through IM once again.

Then, FA went down, and I didn't have access to references or notes for ANY of my commissions, not just hers. During the time that FA was down, I explained to her the hard time I was having making the comic look right, and she said it was okay, to take my time. Don't worry about it, she said, maybe we'll just do the sketches and some illustrations in addition to it! So, I was relieved that she was being patient and reasonable. I had several paged sketched out at that point anyway, save for maybe one or two

Now, some time during this, I managed to secure a job, that had me working during the night. I couldn't work during the day on commissions or during the evening, so I resorted to working weekends only. The job didn't pay the best so I took some small commissions on the side, to help pad my wallet a bit. Just quick illustrations, that sort of thing. I was still working on hers and keeping her informed, but was having a hard time, still.

Then, a few days ago, Kora IMed me out of the blue saying she wanted a full refund. I told her we should work it out, if she had an issue... because not only was a full refund unaffordable to me at this time, but I had finished half her commission! Why would she get all of her money back, leaving me having done so much work and without anything to show for it! So, she decided she wanted to do some smaller comics... she decided to arbrairily decide on prices for me, saying her 900 was worth 3 comics, and 12 inked illustrations, each MORE than 2 characters. I told her I could do either the three small comics (each about 2-3 pages), or the illustration series, but in no way could I do both.

Through this entire time she has not realized that I do not have a set price list. I throw up price lists every now and then, but they generally change by the end of the week. It depends on how much time I have to spend on commissions, my pay check from my formal job, and so on. I warned her that I was quitting my job to attend school (which she accused me of lying about), so the 'discounted' commission prices I had listed were no longer correct. Still, she uses that list to demand what she wants, and how much she's going to pay for it. I tried to tell her that everything on that list was half price, so there was no way that she was going to get THAT much... I tried to work with her concerning it, but she was demanding and accusatory, so I finally said "alright, we can do the refund if you want, but I can only give you a half refund, because I have finished have the pages", and explained that I could finish the last 2 pages for her.

However, her attitude remained the same. She was demanding, accusatory, and was harrassing me. She ridiculed me... "what bills do YOU have to pay!? You live with your PARENTS!? You aren't even going to school are you, that's a lie!" and so on... about things that were none of her business, and, ironically... she had told me some time ago that SHE still lived with her parents as well, and then cited bills as why she wanted the full refund!

So, on friday I was paid by another commissioner... A very patient and understanding guy, who I explained my situation to ( I deleted all of my gallery on FA, out of fear that her and her goons would harass me there as well!) and that his commission was the only one I would complete, the other few I had were all paid back. I took the money he paid me, and sent it to Kora, $300. She then sent me a note DEMANDING I send her in USD, not CAD (they're very nearly the same anyway, maybe a dollar off right now), and that I send $125 USD to complete the $400 refund. I told her I'd send $100 end of story, but she harassed me... treated me like a child ( Oh I bet you LIKE stealing people's money!- I quote) so I gave in. Fine. You'll get your $125.

She then demanded I send it by the end of the week, when I get paid. I laughed. I had to cancel my commissions because of her, I explained, politely as I could, so my pay check, which was sapped of hours this week due to three days of mandatory vacation for a group of us, would be fit to pay for my bills and that was it. I told her I would get it to her in September, end of the month at the latest. I'd have to do commissions I don't have the time to do, for it, but fine. She said that I should get it to her by the end of next week, or she'll post about me being a theif and such. I explained to her that was impossible under the circumstances, but that I would get it to her next September, I would get her the scans (that she ALREADY SAW and did not save... WTF!?) whenever I could, as my scanner is attached to my father's computer right now, and there's no way I'm scanning porn on his (he needs it for his work, until he can get a new one), and that I'd send her a note on FA when I'd sent it (though why, if you're going to accuse me of being a theif anyway, should I send you the last of it!? I wanted to know), and that I would not continue working on the last couple of pages. I explained to her that I was blocking her on FA and AIM because she could not act like an adult and was being harrassing and down right nasty towards me.

Well, she posted a journal, just after we'd agreed to this, claiming I refused to send her any more money and I stole $700 of her money! She uses partial screenshots to make it look like I cancelled, when it was actually her who cancelled first, then I triedt to work it out This is wrong, of course, because I paid her back $300 of $900 already, and am returning her even more, whenever I can actually afford to. I was absolutly stunned! I commented on her journal on fa trying to get my side of the story out, but she blocked me from commenting. A few people came to my defense there- not trolling, but saying "well, this is what Achondrite is saying, what about his side of the story"? Meanwhile, she sends trolls to my page, reposts the journal of lies in links on my page (blocked and removed), and she, or her friends made a seperate account simply to troll me- each time I banned them from commenting, they made a new one, same name with a variation, and admitted to evading my blocks. I contacted an admin, so now Kora, both her accounts, and the troll accounts are banned from FA, and I still have to deal with the fallout, until I can actually AFFORD to send her the last of her money.
She also seems to think she should get exactly half back, which is also incorrect- I charge comics based on the page and the CONTENT... ie if this page is faster to do and easier than that page, then I won't charge as much for the easier page. She uses a link to my ILLUSTRATION commission request form (she so slyly cut off the part where it says "illustration", and when confronted on that, she starts saying that the dictionary says illustration can mean comic, so... she should be able to twist what I say into what she WANTS me to be saying?



But long story short, DO NOT ACCEPT WORK FROM KORA, she will mistreat you as an artist, make unruly demands, try and control YOUR pricing scheme, might just make advances on you, and in the end, will try and use scare tactics and blackmail to get what she wants out of you- free art. She's driven me out of wanting to do furry art, so be warned.
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zackfig
Sep. 1st, 2008 05:37 am (UTC)
Oh wow - I'm speechless x___x
alexds1
Sep. 1st, 2008 06:06 am (UTC)
Thats really terrible :C Thanks for sharing though, she sounds like a good one to avoid.
sunhawk
Sep. 1st, 2008 06:08 am (UTC)
Jesus Christ, I am so sorry @_@ What a mess!
fallimar
Sep. 1st, 2008 06:12 am (UTC)
That's completely disgusting behaviour D:
Thanks for sharing though - get the word out on this one. sheesh!
raggedtyger
Sep. 1st, 2008 06:19 am (UTC)
what a fucking nightmare.
achondrite
Sep. 1st, 2008 03:52 pm (UTC)
Man, I wish I were waking up ;_;
kora_atlass
Sep. 1st, 2008 06:37 am (UTC)
Actually the agreement was 11 pages, Achondrite, not 8. Also, you managed to get the first 2.5 sketches ( which were lacking in detail and environment ) done within a weeks time but I haven't seen any updates since then. And yes, I did say it was alright for you to take as much time as you needed. When you came to me saying you didn't want to do the commission and offered to do something else, I agreed and you accepted my request without problem. Though when I made the comment that I don't understand why we couldn't just scrap the commission all together, you blew up and said you were going to go back to the original commission and just do the rest of the sketches. From there, I figured that since you were only going to do half the job, that I should get half the money back and brought that to your attention. You said no, $400 is the max. You sent me $300 CAD ( which is roughly $275 ) that same day, I asked that you remedy the error and pay $125 instead of $100. You said that you weren't going to correct the error you made in sending me the wrong sum of money and just go ahead and send whatever you please. This where I drew the line and ousted you.

Don't take my word for it, let my chat logs do the talking.

Her operational policies and procedures - http://b.imagehost.org/0746/payment2.jpg
Log of her stating she has an issue with the commission and the agreement to do a substitute - http://b.imagehost.org/0185/3_5.jpg
Log of the agreement to scrap the substitute and do the orignal 11 pages and $400 return - http://b.imagehost.org/0978/1_1.jpg
Her denying me the full $400 return even after she sent the wrong currency - http://b.imagehost.org/0189/3_11.jpg
Log of me informing her that if she doesn't want to remedy her mistake that I would inform the Artist Beware community - http://b.imagehost.org/0135/2_11.jpg
Her denying me my commission - http://b.imagehost.org/0779/5_6.jpg
kora_atlass
Sep. 1st, 2008 06:39 am (UTC)
Oh and also, I banned you from my FA journal because I didn't want you making accusations without means of backing them up and escalating the issue further than what it already was. I never banned your friends, and I never asked my friends to rise to my defense. They did that on their own.
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achondrite
Sep. 1st, 2008 03:52 pm (UTC)
Honestly? My father found one of the pages... the page where a horse, begins to rape a man. She laughed when she found out, and I was taken aback. I'd not put it past her if she did have the scans and just wanted a mishap to occur again.

She saved Paka's WIP's, so why didn't she save mine? it... kind of REEKS.
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theblackdragon
Sep. 1st, 2008 07:07 am (UTC)
i'm confused
did she pay you in Canadian? If so, you're totally in the right paying her back in Canadian, but if she paid for it in USD, why can't she have the refund in USD? That part of the story is not quite clear at the moment.

also, if you were uncomfortable with the subject matter, why did you take on the commission? that's a problem just waiting to blow up into a situation like this with a rational commissioner, let alone the crazy ones. :(
kora_atlass
Sep. 1st, 2008 07:15 am (UTC)
Re: i'm confused
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bladespark
Sep. 1st, 2008 07:29 am (UTC)
Wow. I'm sorry you had to deal with such a twit.

Though if their logs are correct in showing that you called them some rather rude names, you may want to work on your professionalism. Because it's harder to hold credibility when you swear at customers.

I'm with you that your customer was way out of line here, definitely. But I'm also thinking that you're not coming up 100% like roses either.
achondrite
Sep. 1st, 2008 03:47 pm (UTC)
Re: i'm confused
Sadly enough I was giving back what I'd got. A couple times, especially the first nasty little episode with Kora, I was called a lot of nasty things. I shouldn't have said it yeah... but I was shaking and crying and I didn't know what to do, because this guy was threatening libel and all sorts of nasty things. I guess, when you get stressed and terrified, you lash out. Kora was trying to get that out of me. D'oh.

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hobokitten
Sep. 1st, 2008 09:20 am (UTC)
You poor thing.
There are tons of Crazy customers out there D:
I do hope you have better luck in the future.
I'll put her down as someone to be wary of.
kalika_tybera
Sep. 1st, 2008 06:42 pm (UTC)
After reading both yours and her AB entries, I have to say that this sounds absolutely terrible and nightmarish. I will make sure to never work for her, her attitude seems extremely poor.
I'm sorry you had to go through all that harassment :(
rharwen
Sep. 1st, 2008 07:50 pm (UTC)
Hey Canyon!

Thanks for posting here. I'd seen the post about Kora before and god, it looks like she's a nightmare to work with. Haha horses, nightmare ahaha anyway, I hope this works out for you. I'd hate to see you leave the community because of one stupid commissioner. <3
byakko_tsuki
Sep. 2nd, 2008 10:23 pm (UTC)
Life happens. I wish people would understand that..:/

I'm blessed with very patient commissioners.

-Hugs.- Luck!!
majy_the_dragon
Sep. 26th, 2008 09:50 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the warning o.-.o. I cant belive some one would do that.
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