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Rockaway

Or Rocksteady ( http://www.furaffinity.net/user/rocksteady/ ) on FA. I know Im the first one posting in here about him because it seems I am the first one to actually tell him "No I wont draw all 54 of your characters for free, go to hell".

This is going to be a long story so just get ready.

Little background, my name is evilbugz and I am the owner of Naturally Strange Studios. As much as I hate it, yeah I have an art business to which I pay a CPA and a business lawyer monthly for to keep me in check and help me with my books/money. Because of this, I have a strict policy in place, mainly because I didnt think I would be getting orders over $400. The general gist of this is that I can set what amount I am comfortable with taking, for example, this kid's commission. He wanted 54 characters drawn, inked and colored... comes out to about $2,200 if you make it $40 a pic. Now, Im not comfortable with that and I dont feel like I would want to do that much work so faint/Skech and I decided it would be a great collaboration project. He would sketch and get paid for that while I would ink and color and get the rest of the payment. It was set though that I would only accept payment (in full) for the sketches and ONLY the sketches up front then when they were all done we would continue on to see how the rest of the payment would be handled, I dont know about you but $2,200 is a lot for me as an artist to handle. I dont see my self as amazing or even worth that much but getting compensated would be nice.



Rockaway offers me $150 for all of it at first before telling me how many people. When he said "there are 48 characters and 6 bosses I want full color" my jaw dropped... and I was a little offended so Im sure I gave him a smarky remark to the effect of "You are kidding right? The sketches alone would be $540" he agreed to that even though he wanted to pay me something like $1500 up front, I dont want that on my hands, spesifically for this reason. Say I took all the payment up front and after the sketches I dont want to deal with the commissioner ever again, I dont want to have to refund THAT much money to someone. Se we agreed on $540, for now. The date was set for June 16th that he would either wire or hand deliver to me. June 16th rolls around and he tells me he is having trouble getting it, which is fine with me, I told him that if it was a problem to get, I would accept payments such at $50 or $100 a week until its paid off. He told me about getting paid weekly which is why I offered that, instead of a simple "yes" or even a "no" I get "Im a man of my word an I said I will pay you in full this payment. I will do it... *gets a little quieter* even if I dont get to eat for a month". Great, guilt trips, just what I need. I of course said, "What?" and acted a bit concerned and once again offered him the weekly payments, telling him I didnt mind at all. He insists that he wants to get this project started right away. Ok fine, make things hard on yourself. Some time goes by and it gets nearer to AC, I remind him that I am still waiting for payment. At this point he hadnt begun to pay me so of course Im not going to bother tacking on late fees, first off, if someone gets a late fee on something they havent received yet, they are more likely to not pay for it at all, secondly, Im a nice girl, I didnt (at the time) want to make things harder for him. Also at this point, faint if waiting on this money too, since he is doing the sketches, he will be getting the first payment. Note: He is my employee at this point.

Now at this point he is calling me Empress Nexus, which is creepy in its own way but we wont even get into that. I admit that it was hard trying to get the money the way he wanted me to, which is drive from Patchogue to Long Beach (about an hour drive toward NYC, very close to it actually... and that hour is with no trafic, oh did I mention he wanted me drive close to rush hour?), I suggested that he use Western Union after he repeateded told me "meet me in Valley Stream at 3pm on Friday *insert date*" after finding out that it wouldnt be worth the hassle or gas money. He didnt seem to like that idea because of the fees so I told him that I would cover half the fees (just so I didnt have to drive out there or have him take a train out here... I dont like commissioners knowing where I live, not my thing). I even metioned the fact that a money order is only 67 cents or $1 if you get it from a bank and he could mail it to me, he didnt like that idea. Now its June 19th and I explain to him again why I dont want to drive out there.

[09:25] RockawayDwagwuff: Hehe. this will be a glorious weekend
[10:16] evilbugz: O_o
[10:26] RockawayDwagwuff: Yup yup
[10:34] evilbugz: Should I ask why?
[10:35] RockawayDwagwuff: You get paid
[10:36] evilbugz: Heh, nah, this is faint getting paid lol. Mine comes later after the sketches are done :P
[10:39] RockawayDwagwuff: so that means its atleast 600 on my end.
[10:40] RockawayDwagwuff: ugh there goes my food for the week
[10:41] evilbugz: Well its $540 for his side, then half of the wiring fee. Im not gonna make you pay the whole thing. (If this was for me I would be more keen on trying to make the drive out there but until Lupus and I get the new car on Monday, ... I get 12 miles to the gallon... Id be paying like... $50 to get there and back D: )
[10:42] evilbugz: I think the wiring fee was like $20 at max, to thats $50 that you keep on your end. All I need is the $540. We will work out the rest later once all the sketches are done. This is a huge commission so installments are the best option
[10:42] evilbugz: Best option and my policy. You know this.
[10:44] RockawayDwagwuff: ah. which is why i rather trek out there to you and deliver personally
[10:45] evilbugz: If you want to Im sure we could arange something. I feel bad having you pay for the train ticket to only be here for like, a minute (I wouldnt be kicking you out but with the mix of pre-AC commissions and work with getting this car so we can get to AC... I dont think I would be able to spend much time D: )

To which he implies something about using my printer to print out shirts. Luckily my printer has been broken for a while and generally never has black ink, so I got out of that pretty easily. Still, inviting yourself over when someone has made it clear that you WONT be staying for longer than it takes to pick up things and go? Uhg.

[15:41] RockawayDwagwuff: This is killing me. i am being forced to hold onto some of the money. against my will.
[15:42] evilbugz: huh? What do you mean?
[15:44] evilbugz: I have to head to the post office and I was gonna go pick up a few things. Am I picking up the money while I am out?
[15:44] RockawayDwagwuff: My check was lower than i had been informed. now as i look at it. i will be in a deeper hole
[15:44] RockawayDwagwuff: but, i am a man of my word
[15:44] RockawayDwagwuff: yes
[15:44] evilbugz: How much is being sent?
[15:48] RockawayDwagwuff: unfortunately only 350
[15:50] evilbugz: Alright. And the rest will be in my hands after AC?
[15:55] RockawayDwagwuff: you have my word
[15:55] RockawayDwagwuff: you have my word
[15:57] evilbugz: Alright. Is the money sent to *my name blanked out because* in Patchogue?
[15:58] RockawayDwagwuff: Well it's official.
[15:58] RockawayDwagwuff: i am dead broke this week.
[15:59] RockawayDwagwuff: the wiring cost me an extra 36
[15:59] RockawayDwagwuff: Yup

Thats the first payment thats gone sour. Now Im perfectly fine with this, honestly I am, thats why I gave him the options for a payment plan becuase in the back of my mind I knew he wasnt going to make it. Nothing against him personaly but in talking to him and what not, yeah, doesnt seem to keen on how to budget. Note the "Well Im offically dead broke", that continues through everything. So it gets a little funnier. June 25th, the day everyone is getting ready to go to AC this conversation ensues:

[10:16] RockawayDwagwuff: You? i am in more trouble
[10:17] evilbugz: Im finishing art. Why would you be in trouble
[10:18] RockawayDwagwuff: Dunno if i have enough for basics
[10:19] evilbugz: What?
[10:25] RockawayDwagwuff: Paying you cleared out most of my savingsl i think i have enough for the bus and entry and that's it
[10:25] evilbugz: You were gonna pay me after the con....
[10:28] RockawayDwagwuff: With the next paycheck for the following week
[10:33] RockawayDwagwuff: No matter what.
[10:36] evilbugz: Alright, thats what we had agreed on
[10:36] evilbugz: So you are fine
[10:37] evilbugz: We can talk about this after the con. I cant put any more stress on myself at the moment
[10:37] evilbugz: I have about 4 hours to do about 15 hours of prep

(It was my first dealers table at AC, I was freaking a bit)

He doesnt have the money to pay me and he is complaining to me that he doesnt have enough money for his room at AC... Ummm, hello?? If you still owe someone $200 why would you go to a convention, sharing a room with someone that now they are going to have to cover your portion of the room?? More debt he is in. Should have tipped me off there, but I still try to be nice.

Trouble arises!

Session Start (evilbugz:RockawayDwagwuff): Wed Jul 02 19:31:50 2008
[19:31] RockawayDwagwuff: Um, i am in trouble
[19:31] *** Auto-response sent to RockawayDwagwuff: Couch hugs then out to Applebee's for Billy's bday.
[19:32] evilbugz: ?
[19:33] RockawayDwagwuff: i just got fired
[19:33] evilbugz: Why?
[19:34] RockawayDwagwuff: 'no longer need my services'
[19:34] evilbugz: I see.... So what are you saying?
[19:36] RockawayDwagwuff: I will give you all my last check.

Logs will show how it continued for a while:

Session Start (evilbugz:RockawayDwagwuff): Sun Jul 06 21:38:30 2008
[21:39] evilbugz: Hey, Skech and I were just wondering when you will be able to get the rest of the money so that we can take some reffs and start working on sketches for you.
[21:46] evilbugz: I hate to do this but I have already skipped payment steps in my company policy. If I dont have the rest by Wednesday Im going to have to start charging late fees :/
[21:51] RockawayDwagwuff: -sighs- ok
[21:53] evilbugz: Im sorry, I hate to do that but I let it go two weeks without the fee. We do have to put time aside out of our normal commission time for a project this big.
[21:53] RockawayDwagwuff: How much in the hole am i?
[22:03] evilbugz: Lemme check.
[22:04] evilbugz: $190 (which is exempting you from all fees)
[22:04] evilbugz: $228 if you add on fees which I wont do if you can get it to me on time.

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Session Start (evilbugz:RockawayDwagwuff): Tue Jul 08 11:48:25 2008
[11:48] evilbugz: Hey hun
[11:57] RockawayDwagwuff: Oh no...
[11:57] *** Auto-response sent to RockawayDwagwuff: The never ending job search :/
[11:58] RockawayDwagwuff: Don't remind me. i know. and i am ddoing every possible way to raise it... even uncconventional.
[12:00] evilbugz: I just want to know how you are going to get it here honestly.
[12:01] evilbugz: Im getting this for faint, I dont really profit from this at all. But in doing business I have to pay him on time as well. I have to cover what you dont get to me by tomorrow. Which right now wouldnt be good.
[12:19] RockawayDwagwuff: Wire it. or i can deliver it. i do have your addrress
[12:21] evilbugz: Which ever would be easier for you
[12:21] evilbugz: I know that the wiring was a little bit of a problem :/
[12:21] evilbugz: There is always paypal if you have that or know someone that would be your paypal person
[12:55] RockawayDwagwuff: Ok. i am doing my best
[12:56] evilbugz: Alright
Session Close (RockawayDwagwuff): Tue Jul 08 16:23:58 2008
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[16:15] evilbugz: Im sorry hun. I had to cover it and now Im in the hole. :/
[16:15] evilbugz: I had to pay him on time...
[16:18] RockawayDwagwuff: Ok. looks like i gotta... be unconventional
[16:23] evilbugz: Meaning?
[16:29] RockawayDwagwuff: I rather not say
[16:31] evilbugz: Is t illegal?
[16:33] evilbugz: Actually, dont answer that
[16:33] evilbugz: Just... when can I expect it hun? Im now out $200 I needed for bills.
[16:38] RockawayDwagwuff: I will doo what i... must
[16:39] evilbugz: When?
[16:40] RockawayDwagwuff: As soon as i can
[16:43] evilbugz: I need a time hun. No offence but this is starting to pour into my personal life. My business accounts never roll over into my personal or my bills but I had to. I dont want to add fees onto this but honestly, if I overdraw my account due to this Im really not going to be happy and Im going to have no choice by to charge the 20% on the whole thing.
[16:44] evilbugz: Thats another $108 a week that I dont think you can afford... Its my policy and I have pushed a lot for you. Please dont screw me over.
[16:45] RockawayDwagwuff: I won't
[16:46] evilbugz: Then give me a time frame. I already have my lawyer looking at my books and asking me questions about your lack of payment and why I havent tacked on fees. Please.. I need a time.
[16:50] RockawayDwagwuff: I am a man of my word
[16:50] RockawayDwagwuff: how much in the hole? 190
[16:51] RockawayDwagwuff: well 200 ok next thursday
[16:58] evilbugz: It has to be. If not earlier. Where are the paychecks you should be getting
[19:02] *** "RockawayDwagwuff" signed off at Thu Jul 10 19:02:28 2008.
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Cute huh? Now at this point, as it says, I have paid faint and had to tap into my own personal money to do so. Like I said before, I stopped taking commissions because of him so I had no coushin if he did this. No, it wasnt smart on my part but I really didnt expect to get royally fucked. He now also has my address and my cell phone number from the handful of business cards he grabbed at AC when he stopped by to visit me. So I get a little pissed, but very proffesional might I add.

Session Start (evilbugz:RockawayDwagwuff): Tue Jul 15 21:48:01 2008
[21:48] evilbugz: Hey, I have a quick question.
[21:50] evilbugz: Are you going to be able to pay me on Thursday? Because if not, I need to update my book with fees. It will have been well over a month since you said initially you would pay me and now its starting to effect my business.
[21:52] evilbugz: I havent taken any commissions since AC waiting for your payment because your project is going to take up a ton of time, I dont want to have too much on my plate. But because we havent started it yet, my whole schedule has been back dropped a month. I cant do this much longer and my CPA is looking at my books. You are about 24 hours from getting me in a lot of shit and Im not very happy about it.
[21:55] evilbugz: After 30 days of non-payment in full you would have aquired over $250 in fees. I have waved most of them but you have until Thursday. I cant play nice anymore. I have given you the benifit of the doubt just for you to spit in my face. I trusted the fact that you would pay me when you said. You told me your word meant all this... June 16th is when you said you would pay. It is 30 days late in a few hours and somehow you have managed to con me out of the normal fees.
[21:58] evilbugz: You have a little over 24 hours to get me $228 or I will be sending collection notices for the ful amount of $393.98, Im sorry but you have made me lose easily $400 in business by making me push away all my commissions. Im running a business, this isnt for fun.
[22:00] evilbugz: Im going to bed. I expect to hear from you tomorrow.
Session Close (RockawayDwagwuff): Tue Jul 15 22:35:35 2008


This continues until we are at today. Him telling me that he will pay me next week, every single week, saying he is a man of his word. Yeah, I see that. He has also magically had the money to go to FA:U, saying it was a birtday present and apparently doesnt seem to give a rats ass about paying me at all (I am friends with people who talk to him). Anyway, in NY there is only a certain percentage in fees you can get up to before you send it to a collection agency or to court. He has aquired a nice chunk in fees that I told him I am willing to settle for $450. Thats only $250 in fees instead of about $500 or $600. He agreed to that. He was to wire me $250 last weekend, $100 this weekend and $100 next, the commission would be finished within three weeks of him sending his refferences and that would be it. Im never working for him or anyone associated to him again. He has since told me that $250 is in the mail in a money order that was sent Saturday the 9th. I know he is lying because it doesnt take a week for the mail to get 40 miles, I know this because I sent out over 250 wedding announcements and invites. It didnt even take this long for those to get over seas. I dont want to have to do this but he has until August 22nd before the paperwork all goes through and my lawyer takes him to court over the loss of income I took because of this. Not to mention the impending criminal investigation for a retared text message he sent me while I was talking with my lawyer about him. I know Im not getting anything out of him if it goes to court and I dont care. I just want this over and done with. Would I like to get paid, yeah, I really would. Would be nice to have a little extra in the account, but Im not counting on it. Especially now when I called him the first time today the phone rang, now once again, its off. Gotta love it.

Im sure he is a nice guy when he isnt screwing people over and judging by his FA account it looks like he had a great time at FA:U. I just dont want to have anyone else go through the same crap I did. So if he ever says he wants to commission you to do art for some "furry fighting game" he is doing... RUN. Its not worth the hassle.

EDIT: As of right now, he is saying that he was "lied to" and the money must not have been sent and his eyes deceived him when he watched the check be put in the mail.
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borderfuck
Aug. 17th, 2008 05:01 pm (UTC)
Don't bother with taking him to court. You'll just waste your time, and make yourself look like a fool over taking someone to court with no true time lost.
sh_sareena
Aug. 17th, 2008 05:07 pm (UTC)
Im not going to have to do much when it comes to court. Honestly, its all being taken care of for me. Knowing his rep he wouldnt even show up to the court date which also looks bad on him. Right now Im not even worrying about it. He keeps IMing me, telling me "I'll get it to you, I swear" but Im not retarded. At this point, my lawyer wants to go after him for the remainder of the money owed and the average income I take in a month that I didnt for the past 2 because of him. I really couldnt care less.

Like I said though, if/when it gets to court I know I wouldnt be getting anything from it. I know that. Even with small claims, you cant get money out of someone who doesnt have it. (even though its obvious he does)

But hopefully it was a warning to everyone else.
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thaily
Aug. 17th, 2008 05:04 pm (UTC)
He eats 600 dollars worth of food per week?
No wonder he doesn't have money to pay you with >_>

[/smart ass]

Thanks for the warning, the guy's a deadbeat.
You need to sic the repo on him if you've already done work on the commissions.
sh_sareena
Aug. 17th, 2008 05:10 pm (UTC)
The kid is like, maaaaybe 100lbs soaking wet, I would love to see him consume that much food.


Luckily we havent started anything (I would be finding him myself if we had) but the fact remains that money was paid out to an employee of mine that was not recieved by the comissioner. That right there is why this is so frustrating. And its not like he didnt know it. He just doesnt care. As far as repo goes, he as a pending criminal investigation right now because of a text message he sent me a while ago while he was trying to guilt me. Im not going to have my phone all week because of it D:

Jerk. I will miss my phone.
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gizmo_nine
Aug. 17th, 2008 05:44 pm (UTC)
I'm confused here, is this a single image with 54 different characters in it or 54 different images with one character each?
sh_sareena
Aug. 17th, 2008 06:15 pm (UTC)
54 different pics with one character each
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spiffystuff
Aug. 17th, 2008 05:51 pm (UTC)
Well, sorry to hear about your problems :/ It sucks but it seems like there's a number of overambitious dead-beats out there... I guess in the future don't start, or even commit, to any work (or put off taking other work) until it's been paid for up front. Probably be better left having to refund X amount of money than being short that money!
sh_sareena
Aug. 17th, 2008 06:34 pm (UTC)
Hindsight is 20/20 eh? lol If things dont get worked out then atleast I learned something. Not sure whether I learned not to listen to kids that have big dreams and think I should be included, or better business practices but I learned something :D
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sh_sareena
Aug. 17th, 2008 09:36 pm (UTC)
As long as you are sending in the taxes for the income you claim from the business you do, yes it is legal. My business is under my dad's company (VG Corporate Process Consulting, inc) that way the taxes that I have to pay are minimal.

I would have been willing to get the sketches started with the money we had if the kid would have taken that. The only think he keeps doing is telling me "I will get you the rest" over and over. I dont even have any reffs. Im going to attempt to just get him the 30 or so sketches and have it all be done with. It seems to be the most logical end to all this.

I agree with you on this. As I said in comments before, it was pretty foolish on my part to stop commissions fully. At first, with everything he was telling me he was ready to pay up front, the coloring part of the commission didnt seem too far away. If you would have listened to him, he had most of it in hand already and just waiting to give it to me, God only knows what happened to it. I was trying to prepare myself to work on his and only his commission set when the time came. When things started to get sour I should have rethought my own little plan.
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sh_sareena
Aug. 17th, 2008 11:09 pm (UTC)
Thats what I started with! I told him and asked him repeatedly if he was sure he wanted to do something of this size right off the bat. He continued to tell me that is what he wanted. Its not my responsibility to make sure that he is financially responsible but I still asked because it seemed a bit foolish.

You dont like the guilt trips? That was my favorite part... ugh. I really dont know what that was supposed to accomplish, I really dont. Maybe thats what he is used to doing but it did little on the side of upsetting me and feeling sorry for him and pushed me more toward completly pissed off. Mainly because I did give him the options of payment plans (and asked him a million times if he was 100% sure he wanted to do it).
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rharwen
Aug. 17th, 2008 11:51 pm (UTC)
I with you on this one completely Evilbugz.

You have a contract.

It was his responsibility entirely, whether to take the payment plan so he could have actually made the money work, or not to take that much artwork in the first place. Seriously, you have all the time in the world.

You call a plumber, get a quote, he fixes your pipes, you can't turn around and say, "but.. but.. I don't have the money right now. You're taking food from my family." You're more likely to get your knees broken for your trouble.

I hope you get to settle. I hate it when people pull that kind of crap. Thanks for the warning.

And yes, I am aware he did pay some money, but the agreement was payment upfront. She's already out from paying her employee, which is what you do when you run a buisness.
sh_sareena
Aug. 18th, 2008 01:48 am (UTC)
Thank you.

I will admit there are a lot of things that I could have done or delt with better but I guess all I can do now it take my losses and run with it.

I think I have figured out how to make this work in mine and faint's favor. So we will see in a week or so. Hopefully I will have a good update.
leahtaur
Aug. 18th, 2008 02:47 am (UTC)
Something for Faint to think about is what this guy is going to be doing with his sketches. Did you guys take care of printing and other rights? If this guy ever does do something with this project of his, I hope you charged him extra for the rights to those sketches. It sounds like if he ever gets his ducks in a row, he'd likely get some other random artist to colour these sketches, and then Faint may even get the credit taken away from him.

Best of luck with this, and kudos for thinking of your employee first.
sh_sareena
Aug. 18th, 2008 03:07 am (UTC)
Oh we have already thought of that. :)

I will be getting a copyright paid for and put in place before anything is given to him. He has been told that the images can not be changed, distributed, or used for anything that is going to make him profit without full rights and royalties (10%) to us. If he tries to do any of the following then we go after him again.

Also, I doubt this will ever get anything past a dream of his. He is just out of high school (dont know if he even graduated), has no though of stepping foot on a college campus, has no programming training (though he seems to think spending years of his life playing fighting games is enough "training") and spouting off all these random things he thinks will magically get done. I know he has conned a few of his "friends" into doing some of the art for him but I doubt they will stay with it. As demanding as he is already, making people try and do all that work (on the art alone) for no pay is going to get old really fast.

Im not holding my breath for royalties lol.
opalchimes
Aug. 18th, 2008 05:48 am (UTC)
Ugh, I wish you luck. For the future, definitely take payment up front. I insist on it. I don't outright say "You must pay me in full before work is started, because I know *I'll* hold up my end of the deal." ...but basically, that is why. If they can't or won't shell it all out at once, I let them find someone else. If it's a large sum of money and I've worked with them frequently with no problems, I may offer installments. But I never start until the check clears.

On a large order like that, I might split it into lots. Do 500 dollars worth at a time, or ten drawings at once, or whatever works. If nothing else, it gives you an out if after the first batch of drawings you discover he/she is the client from Hell. *grin* You can fulfil the smaller contract and turn down the rest. But always get the money first!

I wish you luck getting it from him. I will certainly not care to work for him. :/
sh_sareena
Aug. 18th, 2008 03:08 pm (UTC)
Thats what I was trying to do xD It obviously didnt work. I mean, I hadnt ever had to deal with someone telling me they wanted to commission thousands of dollars worth of art before so I didnt go about it the best ways. I admit that. But I tried to do everything that I could to try and stay good on my side and accomidate everyone in the situation (rockaway and Faint). I normally dont start anything until I have the money right in my hand (or atleast in paypal) unless its someone that I know and trust or someone that I have never had a problem with before.

I tried to. I just didnt split it into small enough. When I offered him the payment plan, I was willing to do the 10 sketches a week for $100 a week. It seemed very fair to me, well spaced out and just generally a good idea. He didnt want that. I should have pushed harder for it. Thats my fault. I guess I just tried to think of what he wanted over what would have been best for everyone in this situation.

Thanks. I doubt I will but I think Im going to get the 30- something sketches out to him and just generally cut off contact with him.
alcyione
Aug. 18th, 2008 07:11 am (UTC)
I give you props for conducting this in a business-like manner, 'Bugz! (I think I could stand to take some lessons from you! :)

I feel bad that this crap happened to you. :/ It outrages me that this guy would attempt to commission you for THAT much artwork when he clearly DOES NOT have the means of doing so.

I mean, hell... Art is something that should be commissioned only when you have your NEEDS in order, and that you have that much extra cash coming in on a REGULAR BASIS. Being a good employee and having a decent, stable and steady job also helps.

And this guy... seems to have his priorities out of whack. I have an especially strong disdain of those who try and GUILT an artist into cutting a discount for them. >_< Just because we're "human" and not a corporation doesn't mean we should be manipulated into accepting anything LESS than what our work is worth. :/
sh_sareena
Aug. 18th, 2008 03:03 pm (UTC)
Thank you :)

I mean, looking at a lot of the other comments, there are a lot better ways I could have handled the order but I guess this is the first time someone wasnt in my face with money like "What can I get for x amount?" so I handled it like he was.

Thats what I think is funny. I feel like a lot of the continued guilt might have been my fault because I did technically let him off the hook with a lot of stuff. Honestly, I didnt do it for him, I did it because I wanted this over and done with asap! I didnt want to deal with him this long. I mean, Im fine keeping in contact with commissioners, I actually make really good friends with a lot of them, but when there is someone you generally just dont like, and your personality clashes, why try to prolong your time with them? I wanted to make it easier for him just to get him out of my hair D: Might have made him think that his guilting was working. I didnt even think about that until someone else said something about it.
lakotawolf
Aug. 18th, 2008 08:24 am (UTC)
You didn't mention the word "contract" at all in your initial post... yet you replied to someone else's comment saying that you DID have a contract with this guy.

Did you actually have a signed, notarized contract with him? If so, what did it actually entail?
sh_sareena
Aug. 18th, 2008 02:57 pm (UTC)
Signed, yes. Noterized, no.

It just laid out what and when he would be paying and that we would have our end done within three weeks of recieving full payment and all of the refferences.
anjel_kitty
Aug. 19th, 2008 01:36 am (UTC)
So you do this whole art commission thing for a living, which is why you have a CPA? And why are fees tacked on for him not paying for the commission? Don't you just wait to do the art until you get paid?

Eitherway it doesn't sound like this guy was finicially capable of taking on a commission like this. If he has a service industry job, which looks like he does, and doesn't understand how to budget, its very likely he just didn't realize what commission of this magnitude would do to him finicially, and entering in a legally binding deal with you.

If he is only 40 miles away though, you could take him to municple court. Shouldn't be that hard.
sh_sareena
Aug. 19th, 2008 01:41 am (UTC)
Technically I do it on the side as extra income but yes, thus the CPA. In normal cases, fees wouldnt be tacked on but since I had to pay someone else by a certain date, it was agreed tht if he didnt have the money by that time he would basically be paying an inconvience fee to me (for having to cover the extra).

Yeah, thats what it seems like now. But like I said, at the time things started, he put me under the impression that he had $1500 in his hand ready to give to me the moment I said yes. Long story short, he didnt have it and was just trying to sound... I dont know, wealthy, cool, smart, I really dont know what the point of that was.

I know. I just dont want to have to. You know? Its time I dont feel like wasting but it doesnt look like Im ever going to get paid back if I dont.
blondierule
Aug. 20th, 2008 01:52 am (UTC)
my god, you seem like a nice person and you both have good art but....

wtf good business sense also involes using common sense, not just adhering to rules.

1 - guy just out of highschool, wanting thousands worth in art, no way I would touch that. Unless it was money up front and in my bank account for a month.

2 - If I did take it, It would be in groups of five characters per payment and the first sign of trouble I would cancel it all.

3 - the guy is out 340 and you are out of money paying 500 to the other artist, nothing had/has been done. WHAT. You both draw and complete the art worth 240 (100 less for him being a git with payment) and both you and the other artist share the money the kid gave you.

I'm baffled!

At least I hope you learn next time. You being in debt to the sketcher is still the most wtf thing though
lilenth
Aug. 20th, 2008 05:16 pm (UTC)

To be frank, for such a large project? It's never a good idea to blow off other work until you are paid in -full-.

Either way he sounds like an idiot with fancy dreams and no business sense.
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