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It's not often I have to post about someone, but I think the time has come.

On March 23rd, I was commissioned by Karl Kratt (hyenafur on FA) to create an image of two of his characters.  My standard policy is for the client to send payment after the sketch is finalized.

On March 27th, I sent him a low-res copy of the first sketch.  On the 29th, I sent him a finalized sketch. He approved, so I let him know that he could send payment, and I would begin coloring.

He had been thinking of having me do a second image as well, so I was going to combine the fees for both and give him a total. After several weeks of not hearing from him, I emailed him back, asking for a status report.  Because he was low on funds, he decided not to get the second image, and just pay for the first, which I agreed to.

It is now May 20th, and several times I have been told that 'bills ate all my money this month' when I have inquired about when I would be paid.

Now, this is a person that commissions a lot of artists, which I appreciate. And I've seen plenty of other artists upload images he has commissioned. Whether or not these pieces are art have been paid recently, MY time and effort has gone unpaid for.  I understand the importance of keeping your bills paid, but my art is a bill that needs to be paid as well.

This is a nice, polite guy, so while I don't want to dissuade anyone from doing business with him, I want to strongly caution anyone he contacts about commissioning to get the money up front.  Personally, I will most likely not do business with him again.

EDIT:  At this point, I have received payment from him via a third party, the art is finished, and the transaction is (finally) closed.
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May. 21st, 2008 02:39 am (UTC)
how utterly odd. I've never had any problems with Karl, but I've always asked for payment up front. I hope you get your payment soon, just keep pressing it.
May. 21st, 2008 03:19 am (UTC)
Oh hyenafur. I've heard so many horror stories about this guy. He either doesn't pay in a timely fashion, or he harrasses you constantly about finishing his pieces. I'll never EVER accept a commission from this guy.
May. 21st, 2008 03:35 am (UTC)

My hyenafur tale is kind of long. I'll be making a separate post for mine.

May. 21st, 2008 04:19 am (UTC)
Oh lordy. I wasn't gonna say anything about it, but since there's already a post about him, I may as well.

He continually commissioned me with no problems for over a year, but he tried getting way too personal/buddy buddy with me, sending me countless IM's throughout the day, even after me telling him I was busy. It got to the point to where I blocked him from my AIM (and he IM'd me from no less than FIVE other AIM accounts asking why) and told him in a PM that I was no longer using AIM to converse with customers, but I would be happy to talk to him through PM/Email. He got insanely butthurt about it and left me a bunch of bawww'y PM's, saying that he thought we were best friends, how could I do this to him, etc etc. I had owed him a few unfinished commissions at the time, and we agreed to continue them, though I was growing weary of him.

He then went on to assume that my fiance was physically abusing me, because of this picture uploaded - http://www.furaffinity.net/view/939565/ He sent me a note saying that I should speak out against the abuse, and that I shouldn't deal with it silently, that he couldn't deal with his friend putting up with it. Obviously, my fiance is not physically abusing me, or he wouldn't be my fiance :| I just went through my LJ account and found a copypasta of the original note he sent me about it.

I know what is going on, and I have to say I feel sorry for you. I know you don't want to talk about it, so don't, actions and history speak louder than anything he can say or write. What has and is happening isn't right, and I can't in good conscience stand by and see him destroy my friend. If you truely think I am a stalker or if you agree with what I have said, please call me and tell me in your own words. My number is on facebook, but here it is anyway; (number withheld).

He then made a cryptic journal on FA saying that one of his close friends was in a lot of trouble, and it was people like my fiance that made him want to get a concealed carry license so he could bring guns to conventions. (A few months later, he DID get the license)

That was the breaking point for me, and I sent him an irate PM telling him that his unfinished commissions were getting refunded and he was getting blocked from every site we both frequented. He not only tried contacting me on yet MORE AIM handles, but also my gmail, hotmail, LJ and Devart accounts, going so far as to start harassing me, and telling my friends that I was a horrible person. Enter more baawing, and him demanding a FULL refund for a commission project that was 90% complete. A 7 piece set of characters for him, 6/7 of which were complete, and UPLOADED on his FA, and the 7th inked, of which he had. He made 3-4 journal entries complaining that it wasn't fair that I wouldn't give him a full refund, and making ridiculous comparisons for it. He demanded a $200 refund for two full pictures and the 7 piece set, and he originally only paid $160 for all of those. He ended up with a refund of $80, $70 for the two pictures, and $10 for the cell shading for the last picture of the series I hadn't colored. It took about two months to get him the refund, we had just found out I was pregnant at the time, and were making a costly move to my fiance's parents house to save money for an apartment/baby things, and he made FA journals nearly every day complaining how I was totally screwing him over, etc. Even now, he's STILL trying to contact me comments I made on other people's art, because he cant comment on my page since I blocked him.

I might be able to pull up the screenshots from a few of his journals, including the one in which he wished he had a gun so he could free me from my oh so abusing fiance, I'll have to search through my HD to find them.

I know a good bit of this doesn't apply to his standing as a customer, but if I'd have known he'd have turned out like this when I got the first note from him asking for a commission, I sure as hell would have declined.

There's a LOT more on him that I could type out, but my hands are already cramping 3:
May. 21st, 2008 09:38 am (UTC)
Wow, creepy stalker is creepy O_o
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May. 21st, 2008 07:41 am (UTC)
"but my art is a bill that needs to be paid as well"

May. 21st, 2008 06:06 pm (UTC)
I can attest to what happened between hyenafag and Lyenuv, and also ended up involved in the end because of his harassment and threats.

He's a creep.
May. 21st, 2008 11:17 pm (UTC)
I second on the attesting. Ugh. I'm sorry you had to get involved. T_T

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May. 21st, 2008 09:48 pm (UTC)
Just a thought...?
Now, I hope this does not get me killed - as I certainly do not know all the details, and this is the first time I've weighed in on this community. Just to play devil's advocate here for a second - so please don't throw too many rocks? I have just been on the side of the commissioner, and let me tell ya - sometimes stuff really *does* come up. Dog gets hit by a car, end up owing the IRS money, illness renders your next paycheck smaller than you had planned on, etc... Now, yes, someone who is avidly prepared would have put the money away to pay when ready - but I think we've been in situations where we've had to pay money that we hadn't planned to spend when we hadn't planned on spending it. I know from the commissioner's perspective - I've had artists tell me something will take a week, which becomes a month, which then goes to a year - sometimes with no communication at all - which would about the same parallel.

Now, what seperates a person from the merely unprepared and the truly fink'ish person is how they handle it. I know that my personal policy is that if I ever do fall short on my own agreements, I agree to 1) provide a timeline as to when someone will expect to get paid, 2) Apologize profusely and 3) Assess myself a penality, an additional amount that I hope will help smooth over hard feelings, paid out to the artist for their hard work. So far, I've only had it happen once (*knocks on wood*) and it worked out. But both sides need to communicate, and work through snafus in scheduling, pricing, and payment.

Now, as to his behavior - yeah, that's over the 'acceptable' line by a wide margin - no question there. It sounds like he is a serious control freak - and life is just uncontrollable sometimes.
May. 21st, 2008 11:51 pm (UTC)
Re: Just a thought...?
Oh, believe me honey, I understand about how Real Life (tm.) gets in the way. Two months is a long time to not be able to scrounge up the money, though, especially since I had the image finalized to his satisfaction and ready for color within six days.

This is a person that commissions A LOT of art, so I have to wonder where my payment is when I see other artists posting work of theirs that he's paid for, y'know?
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May. 22nd, 2008 02:32 am (UTC)
i never had a problem with him. you just need to talk with and work dela with him, just don't hop right into to it.
May. 22nd, 2008 07:44 pm (UTC)
that's so weird, i've never had problems with him.
im really sorry to hear that he has given so many people trouble -_-
May. 27th, 2008 04:45 am (UTC)
Did this eventually get resolved? Cause I've heard that he's been commisioning some other people lately?
May. 27th, 2008 01:01 pm (UTC)
Ah, yes. Thanks for reminding me; I have updated the entry :3
May. 29th, 2008 10:53 pm (UTC)
Well, situations like this are why I never commission anyone. I will, most likely, end up unable to pay. So I don't commission. Simple? Quite so.
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Aug. 7th, 2008 06:21 am (UTC)
As a note to all who are just skimming, this issue (with Foxy Fennec) has been resolved further up this page.

Just a note from someone who came in late in the game and actually bothered to read through all that crap.
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