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An auction run by an untrustworthy person

A few days ago I see this posting in fursuit auctions community here on Live Journal :

(This was posted by a user called Outrayjus)

"Selling Corgi (Character) (X-post from my journal)


If anyone is interested; please reply below. He fits myself (6'2) 35" waist; and can be easily hemmed to a shorter size. He is a little old (5 years), so he needs minor repairs.

Comes with:
Foot Paws, Hand Paws, Head, Body, Collar ( with Ein tag )

I'm starting at $100.00
(This dosnt include shipping!)

I will keep it up until the 16th, 2008 @ 7pm EST

Minimum Bid Increase : $10.00

Current Bids:

$100.00 - kai_darkwolf, Ohio
$110.00 - Panama_fox, Flordia
$150.00 - Ford Sheppard, Ohio

Post Below (or PM) if you are interested...I will keep this up to date with the bids."

We all can see it says anyone interested in this suit has (had) to 7 pm yesterday (Wednesday 16th) to place a bid on it.

Here is my bid in a posting (note time):


amcbeagle
2008-01-16 11:59 pm UTC (link)
I want to bid $165.00 for Ein.

(Reply to this)

As everyone can see, my bid was placed at 6:59 pm EST (1 minute before 7) as per bid posting terms, plus it beat other bid by 15 dollars. So it would stand that I should win this suit, right? WRONG.

This was what Outrayjus told me this morning:

--- outrayjus wrote:
> I appreciate the enthusiasm, but because of the way that I ran the auction; I had already informed the 150.00 Person that they had won. Sadly, It would be impossible for me to take back that from them.
>
> Again, I apologize for the confusion.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Panda
> --- amcbeagle wrote:
> > Good morning,
> >
> > I just wanted to touch bases with you. I think I am able to adopt Ein. I made a bid at 6:59 pm (talk about cutting it close) for 165, which should top previous high bid of 150 that was posted.
> >
> > What is best way of getting money to you? A friend has a paypal account so I can cover it right away for you.
> >
> > Thanks again & he will be well taken care of :)

As much as I want to trust people with their word or promise. This is absurd. Why end an auction early & make that fact known? If it had ended early, it should have been made public rather than mislead people into thinking otherwise.

Just another fur not to give any credibility for anything. If this had been on eBay, I would have probably gone a bit over 200 dollars.

I just want to post this out as a warning to others NOT to trust anything outrayjus says.
Artist's beware has moved!
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Comments

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anjel_kitty
Jan. 19th, 2008 07:33 pm (UTC)
were there pictures of the suit? Maybe it was a scam of some sort... or there was some underhanded reason the auction when to that particular bidder...?

I do agree it seems a bit fishy that someone would close the auction when there was clearly someone who wanted to pay more for it.

Or perhaps the lower bidder contacted them privately and begged them to let them have the fursuit for the lower price? It would stand to reason they weren't friend because why put it on furbid to begin with if you were just going to sell it to a friend...


Edited at 2008-01-19 07:48 pm (UTC)
delphinios
Jan. 19th, 2008 08:31 pm (UTC)
Look at the time the poster's bid was sent and the time the auction ended. The poster tried to snipe the auction and was denied. I say good for the auctioneer on this one.
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twitchwolf
Jan. 19th, 2008 08:20 pm (UTC)
Maybe sniping in a personally ran auction that's not timed by a computer doesn't work as well as sniping on Ebay?
delphinios
Jan. 19th, 2008 08:30 pm (UTC)
Agreed. Sending the bid in at 6:59pm is pretty cheap.

While he may have been wrong on a technicality, I think he's in the right within the spirit of the auction, especially if he had received no bids in the hours previous to the auction end.

If the poster wanted it that badly, perhaps he should have made his bid known a couple of hours earlier.

I say this is a bad Artist's Beware post, and shouldn't be allowed to damage the fur's reputation because the poster attempted to snipe the auction and was denied.
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pinkpuppybelly
Jan. 19th, 2008 08:33 pm (UTC)
Panda is a good guy. I've met him personally. He volunteers at the children's hospital with his suits, and the zoo, etc etc.

I would say if you'd put in your bid at even 6:55, you might have more of a case against him. But one minute? A minute that, by his personal clocks, could have already passed?
dacnomaniac
Jan. 19th, 2008 09:55 pm (UTC)
Wow, nice public sour grapes tantrum.
grygon
Jan. 19th, 2008 10:22 pm (UTC)
i don't get why so many people are complaining about sniping. there's been ebay items that i've wanted and have been in a bid-war with sometimes up to 3 other bidders, up to the very last SECONDS to see who'll win. maybe furbid needs a better clock and whoever is listed on the auction page as the winner is the winner, NOT whoever the artist decides to announce as winner.

next time, use ebay. :)
shadsdf
Jan. 19th, 2008 10:26 pm (UTC)
It was done on LJ, not Furbid. No auction page.
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alcyione
Jan. 20th, 2008 12:02 am (UTC)
LAWL. On artists_beware, the dumb posts come in pairs, it seems. XD

Those of us who bid fairly applaud Outrayjus. ^^

Edited at 2008-01-20 12:03 am (UTC)
thaily
Jan. 20th, 2008 12:52 am (UTC)
Having been recently sniped by a re-seller's automated code I say "Yay for Outrayjus".
kami_storme
Jan. 20th, 2008 02:12 am (UTC)
Contact Furbid.
Get it fixed.
That's bullshit.
Ebay would ban for such a thing, Furbid should too.
Furbid has seemed to attract dishonesty lately and I have no idea why.
I used to depend on it until I had a little trend there for a while of people 'running away' after bidding without paying a dime.
fiercereaper
Jan. 20th, 2008 02:27 am (UTC)
This wasn't on Furbid, it was a personal auction someone did in a fur suit LJ community.
thrivis
Jan. 20th, 2008 02:22 am (UTC)
Hmm...

While I think folks are correct that sniping was unsportsmanlike (not illegal, just a frowned-upon tactic), I think Outrayjus should have edited the original post to reflect that they had already accepted the older offer someone placed.

Someone running an auction is always free to end it early and take the offer someone has made, but they must edit the auction to reflect this or else they'll get offers they have to turn down. Which... can come off as dishonesty when it is not intended.
corraide
Jan. 20th, 2008 04:56 am (UTC)
It seems kind of in bad taste, this post is.
kabukihomewood
Jan. 20th, 2008 06:09 am (UTC)
I have to chime in like others have to say that I know panda personally, he is a local fur whom I have known for several years. He is one of the kindest, most honest and generous people I have met in my life, and I consider myself blessed to have made his acquaintance. He has helped me immensely with my own fursuiting endeavors, and I can say with all surety that this is NOT a scam, and is probably a simple misunderstanding. Yes, he should have edited the post to reflect the end of the auction, but to label him as dishonest and untrustworthy over a simple oversight is going way too far.
lilenth
Jan. 20th, 2008 11:38 am (UTC)

One minute to bid end? Yup, you're most certainly wrong. Should have bid earlier. I have no sympathy for you.

To be frank it's an informal bidding system. Therefore you can't expect to snipe and stuff like you would on a full bidding site.

Next time put in your bid earlier and have something to post other than "I didn't get my way, he's mean" and people might take your comments seriously, because right now the only person's credibility you're damaging is your own by over-reacting.
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spiffystuff
Jan. 20th, 2008 05:02 pm (UTC)
Re: Here is the full story
It's cool that you're concerned, but don't let this guy upset you; I think it's obvious to everyone amcbeagle was in the wrong there, and a whiny jerk to boot.
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