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Hi everyone,

I just wanted to let everyone know of something that just happened to me and may happen to you if you sell via FurBid. I woke up this morning and saw that one of my auctions had been bought out for $200 through the Buy-It-Now Feature (which was my asking price). Elated, I began to read the email and quickly began to realize it was a scam. Here is a copy of what the email said:

"Hello [my REAL name],

First of all, I would like to tell you how happy i am to commit myself in buying your item. This is to notify you that i have ended your auction and agreed to pay the final amount for the item. Payment will be made via cashier's check and I am using this medium to notify you that the amount on the cashier's check will be more than your item fees due to the fact that it has already been signed for. I don't really know the exact overage amount because it will be issued by my client so once you receive it, Make sure you deduct your item fees and go to the nearest western union money transfer to send the remainder balance money back to client manager in the United Kingdom, the item is also going to UK. There sure will be no problem about the shipment because my client manager will be personally responsible for it, the same day you receive and cash the cashier's check from the bank after you must have deducted your item fees and western union back the remainder balance money to my client manager in the United Kingdom. However to assure you that i really want to buy the item. I will add an extra $5.00 to your money, if you end the auction for me asap. Email me your FULL NAME, ADDRESS+MOBILE PHONE NUMBER, so that the cashier's check can be mailed out as soon as possible.

Below are the questions i have for you:

1) Are you very sure the item is in good condition?

2) Do you have any western union money transfer location where to send the remainder balance money around you?

3) Can you allow me to send DHL for the pick up and complete the transaction,same day you receive the cashier's check?

4) Do you agree to send the remainder balance money,same day you cash the cashier's check from the bank?

Thanks In Anticipation.

Mr. James Bailey."

What is so odd is that his questions are irrelevant to a DIGITAL COMMISSION. >.< Plus, the whole thing had me on edge the moment I began to read it. I have also informed the FurBid admin about this email. What's more sad is that this auction is now a waste. Moreover, a SECOND person bought the other $200 auction for a digital commission from me today, however, he/she might not be a scammer, although I could pull no user information for this person, and now I am uneasy about it all. I think it's really sick we FURRIES can't even sell our artwork anymore because those stupid scammers are now weaseling their way into our auction sites.

So, if someone buys your auctions on FurBid and the email sounds like this, don't follow their instructions. Check with other people first and let FurBid know. :( I'd hate to see less-suspecting furry artists get scammed.
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Dec. 13th, 2007 12:41 am (UTC)
This is another version (rather creative, at that) of a huge scam going around the internet. Same setup as this: http://www.snopes.com/crime/fraud/nigeria.asp

The reason he wants you to send the remaining balance RIGHT after you cash the check is that the check is bad, so you will be out any and all money you sent him, plus any fees your bank charges you.
Dec. 13th, 2007 01:16 am (UTC)
One of the rules that I follow is to never, ever, ever accept an overwritten check. I guess people do or have done that at some places, like when paying for groceries, to get a little cash back in change. But these scams... they're just so rude. They don't even ask, "May I send an overwritten check?" It's more like, "I'm going to send you a check and it's going to be over what you're asking so just take your amount and go out of your way to send me back the rest." How rude is that?? I am not a bank. It's just common sense that it is a scam.

Edited at 2007-12-13 01:18 am (UTC)
(no subject) - ayukawataur - Dec. 13th, 2007 03:44 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - aaaamory - Dec. 13th, 2007 05:33 am (UTC) - Expand
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Dec. 13th, 2007 12:44 am (UTC)
That's business, that's life, furry or no, there are a lot of people that will scam you if they think they can get an extra buck. I don't think its right, but being furry shouldn't/wouldn't have anything to do with scammers (who don't care about your/the fandom)

The good thing is though, you recognized a scammer and did alert it to the populace and the administers of the auction site. Which is awesome.

Thanks. ^^
Dec. 13th, 2007 01:07 am (UTC)
Oh no, I wasn't saying that being furry had anything to do with it. :) Just that it's sad it is now happening on something like FurBid.

Welcome. :3
Dec. 13th, 2007 12:47 am (UTC)
Another one like that has just been posted at fursuitlounge.livejournal.com – also a furbid auction, nearly the same thing. Seems the scammers have just found the furry fandom and furbid. :P

Dec. 13th, 2007 12:52 am (UTC)
Dec. 13th, 2007 12:58 am (UTC)
FurBid-SF Information
I made a post about this on the FurBid-SF Discussion Board.

This above is a very good post, and I want to add a bit to it.

The first and most important rule.
If it seems to good to be true, then it most likely is.

Last night, shortly after a bath, it was brought to my attention an auction had a $900 bid on it. I will not explain by whom, or why they found a $900 bid to be odd.
I had a look at the system and noticed a few immediate flags. The first being the user account had some inconsistencies to it. I immediately halted the account.
When I finished that part, I opened the database and saw the system had been flooded with forty-seven different auctions being bid on at $900 each.
It took a couple hours to clean up the system. Mostly because I had to verify each and every single modification was accurate, and would not have a negative impact on the system.
Unfortunately, a small number of these bids were on auctions that closed either before I noticed, or was finished with the cleaning.
Since then, I have received five emails informing me of this happening.

I am working on ideas to strengthen the system and prevent this form of activity from occurring again. Unfortunately, the more restrictive I make things, the more it hurts the other 15,000+ users who are not trying to scam others.
Dec. 13th, 2007 12:58 am (UTC)
I am so sorry, this totally isn't related to your post... but who made your incredibly awesome mood icons!?
Dec. 13th, 2007 01:09 am (UTC)
LOL Sapphire_kun made them for me. :D

I'm actually using them on my door signs for my hotel room at FWA. They're just too adorable not to spread around! :) They were CHEAP too!
(no subject) - wyngaed - Dec. 13th, 2007 01:16 am (UTC) - Expand
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Dec. 13th, 2007 03:17 am (UTC)
No offense, but who would want dumbos when they can get those HUGE African rats! I want one so bad. They're huge and have the most interesting look to them.
Dec. 13th, 2007 01:14 am (UTC)
somewhat relavent
ah, scammers. we loves them, we do. i am not surprised they'd hit a furry place, and then again i wouldn't be surprised if they hit any other... auction site. they don't care.


Dec. 13th, 2007 01:16 am (UTC)
I am an Ebay seller as well as a fur (600+ feedbacks)
This is a classic scam. The scammer will send a forged money order or cashiers check. By the time the one cashes the check and send the cash back always via
Western Union the check is reported as forged and the bank does a charge back. Usually the scammer targets high value items. It looks like they are targeting other sites.
One can use PayPal as a guide If the person can use PayPal from their respectivecountries those are the only countries that I will accept payment from. I never accept cashiers check especially from third world countries, Romania or Russia. Never accept third party bidders or payers and never ship to a third party.
Dec. 13th, 2007 01:22 am (UTC)
actually.. i recieved a MUCH less professional email of similar tastes this evening using a BIN on one of my holiday auctions.

the user has bad feedback but i figure i will give them a day to respoind to my "no i will not provide you with my full name, home address and phone number" email before reporting the user to furbid.

i knew it was to good to be true.. i got all excited because something legit buyers DO use the BIN on my auctions. this just makes me sad because the auction was timed specifically to be able to be shipped before the holidays so someone could get a nice gift.

what can we do about this? this same auction account has a bid on my other auction that is up..
Dec. 13th, 2007 01:27 am (UTC)
wow sorry for the 90 typos guys.
(no subject) - ayukawataur - Dec. 13th, 2007 01:28 am (UTC) - Expand
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Dec. 13th, 2007 01:47 am (UTC)
You might want to edit your post.
I dunno if you noticed or not, but you blanked out the real name in the greeting but then left a name at the end of the letter.
Dec. 13th, 2007 02:10 am (UTC)
Re: You might want to edit your post.
The first one is the poster's real name.
Re: You might want to edit your post. - aaaamory - Dec. 13th, 2007 02:28 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: You might want to edit your post. - inaliwhitewolf - Dec. 13th, 2007 03:07 am (UTC) - Expand
Dec. 13th, 2007 02:25 am (UTC)
I got the exact same email, except the name was different and instead of being based in UK, they said they were from the Republic of Benin, lol. At least it was resolved very quickly.
Dec. 13th, 2007 06:24 am (UTC)
I got the *exact* same email as you did. Republic of Benin and all. I have to go repost my item >,>
Dec. 13th, 2007 11:17 pm (UTC)
I got the same thing on an auction for one of my fleece hats. I was so happy to have sold one, only to see this email they sent me and I knew they were a scammer. I gave bad feedback, and reported them to the admins.
Dec. 14th, 2007 02:48 am (UTC)
I noticed that the wiki artical on this eBay/furbid type scam is missing references, I would like to confirm that this is the whole e-mail?
Dec. 14th, 2007 03:17 am (UTC)
That's the entire email that he sent me. :)
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