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Impatient commissioners, and... more?

Back in January I was commissioned by an individual for some livejournal icons, for the amount of $8. When the commissioner sent the money, they knew full well that I have a severe genetic disability that keeps me from drawing much in certain conditions (cold, wet, etc). I had been holding off on doing any of my digital commissions until it had warmed up some so that I could provide the highest quality work, instead of something done with half-effort. Every commissioner I have ever had has understood completely and been more than glad to wait for their work, except for this one specific person.

Now, about a month ago, I had a severe problem with my computer and had to re-install my OS. This caused me to lose the drivers for all my installed hardware, as well as all of my software. I've managed to replace everything except the driver to my PCI serial card. I have posted several times in my livejournal about this, and the commissioner has even replied to the entry saying he was fine with waiting and for me to take my time, that he understood computer trouble.

Then, only five days later, I find this waiting for me when I get up:

(8:21:49 AM) Ridayah: Banrai, I see you've got your away STILL up, but I'm going to IM you here.
(8:21:49 AM) Banrai: (away) I'm not here right now, so cry me a river, build me a bridge, and get over it.
(8:22:18 AM) Ridayah: I don't know what's going on, and at this point I'm just kinda running out of patience.
(8:22:40 AM) Ridayah: If you can't finish the icons by Friday, could you please refund the money? Thanks.

Ok, so you're impatient. Great. So I have refunded this fellow's money, but needless to say I would not recommend doing business with him. Not only for his obvious impatience even when he knew beforehand that the commission could take quite a while. But, more specifically, this individual seems to have a problem with keeping a relationship business oriented. What am I talking about?

On several occasions this commissioner tried to get promiscuous with me, even after knowing I was married. And even after telling me he has a girlfriend. For a small example;

(4:58:56 AM) Ridayah: *giggles, wriggling free and giving you a big tight hug, giving sloppy kisses on your cheek* She's back, yay! ^__^
(5:01:06 AM) Ridayah: Banrai hun? *noses at your cheek, wondering if you got called away from the screen or if you're in pain or hurt*
(5:01:17 AM) Banrai: Sorry, got distracted by a cat ;D
(5:01:28 AM) Ridayah: ah, okay. Kitties are good excuse. ^^
(5:01:43 AM) Banrai: *gives you three*
(5:01:45 AM) Ridayah: *giggles, giving another sloppy kiss then rubbing his nose in your fur, taking big whiffs of your scent, purring* You're nice.
(5:01:52 AM) Ridayah: Eeeee! *cuddles them all* ^^
(5:02:06 AM) Ridayah: kittties! *puts one on his head, one between his wings, and one on his rump*
(5:02:13 AM) Banrai: Am not! Just happy with kitties and good friends. ;0
(5:02:54 AM) Ridayah: You are nice, at least I think so. *purrips, nudging his way under your wing and snuggling against your side, nibbling your fur gently and comfortingly, his tail swaying softly*
(5:03:47 AM) Banrai: bah.
(5:04:29 AM) Ridayah: mwar! You're pretty, and you're nice, and you're pretty nice too. ^^ *purrs deeply, rising up a bit and using a paw to rub under a wing gently*


Just.... ugh. Disgusting, sorry I don't want to be textrubated today.

So if you have any dealings with ridayah, beware what you might be getting into.


-edit-
And, just as a note, comments on this entry WERE screened. I felt I should come say this since it is apparent that several of this person's supporters are having fits over it. I prefer to reply to comments before another has a chance, and before I get a chance to have a reply there's a million replies to one comment. Since such an uproar has been caused by that, comments are open.
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kassichu
Apr. 11th, 2007 09:44 pm (UTC)
(4:58:56 AM) Ridayah: *giggles

I would have stopped to strangle him right then. That convo was painful to read.
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banrai
Apr. 11th, 2007 09:54 pm (UTC)
Re: Curious!
The ulna in both my wrists are about 6mm too short, and so there's a bit of a gap between the carteledge and the bone itself. It only really gives me trouble when it's cold or when I keep my hand in one position for too long. My doctor says the cold thing is because I'm developing some kind of arthritis but... bleh, I insist that I'm far too young for that. But yeah. I blame it on my dad's side since no one on my mom's side has anything like that wrong with them. Stupid screwed up wrists.
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thaily
Apr. 11th, 2007 10:02 pm (UTC)
Eh, some furries are just really obnoxiously unaware/disrespectful of personal space (yes, even on-line personal space).
Have you told him to knock it off though? I've had the same problem with some of my customers and most got the hint when I told them "I'm sorry, I'm not comfortable with this level of intimacy."
It sucks that you have to say it, but alas.
banrai
Apr. 11th, 2007 10:13 pm (UTC)
I had one of my friends, who has known him longer than I, talk to him about it and... instead of cutting it out, he stopped talking to me all together. Then this impatient mess... Bleh.

I'm sure they'll just blame aspergers or whatever the current fad is for excuses.
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bladespark
Apr. 11th, 2007 10:06 pm (UTC)
Ah yes. The "You'll actually speak to me online therefore you are my best buddy and/or obviously want to yiff me" thing. *rolls eyes* I get that rather more often than I'd like. I mean... I do have a few customers who are also friends, and there are some not-friends customers who I don't mind idle chat with, but man... just because I talk to you? It means I want your money, not your body.
filthy_animal
Apr. 11th, 2007 10:16 pm (UTC)
I wish commissioners and people from FurBid could accept the fact that they aren't buying our friendship.
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filthy_animal
Apr. 11th, 2007 10:14 pm (UTC)
Ohhh fuck, I get that on FurAffinity all the time. You would think it is obvious enough when I'M CONSTANTLY DRAWING PORN OF ME AND MY BOYFRIEND, but no, I get notes of furries all like "OH MURRR *gives you a hug and kiss*"

UNG NO GTFO PLZ

And then they get all upset when I ask them (nicely) to stop because I'm taken. They tell me I'm too sensitive and not to take things on the internet seriously-- No... no. I just don't need to tolerate fans humping my leg every two seconds.

Another good one is "Oh I have multiple mates! You should be more open with other furs! lolmurrr!" In translation, "Cheat on your loving boyfriend you've been with for nearly a year with some random faggots on the internet!"

My response to them, "Enjoy your aids".
armaina
Apr. 11th, 2007 11:00 pm (UTC)
uuuuhg
That's awful. They obviously have no sense of respect.
You know, it's pretty sad when there is even no longer respect for monogamous relationship... ¬_¬
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jakeish
Apr. 11th, 2007 11:23 pm (UTC)
His girlfriend watches this community. And no offense to her, as she's a cool person who I like, but I've always seen him as a bit of a creep. From afar, anyway, I don't have any personal experience with the guy.
zyleeth
Apr. 12th, 2007 01:32 am (UTC)
I would appreciate it very much if I were not dragged into this.
ichimei
Apr. 12th, 2007 12:22 am (UTC)
So..let me get this straight. You're posting in artists_beware because a commissioner asked *politely* for a refund after waiting 4 months for $8 worth of simple icons? How many icons are we talking here, and what else have you done during that 4 months?

And the other log snippet has what to do with this, out of curiosity? You could have told him right then that you were uncomfortable. To me, this looks more like a personal issue than a business issue. I don't see much of a reason for this post, honestly.
banrai
Apr. 12th, 2007 05:59 pm (UTC)
I've done very little, actually, in that span of time. What I believe you failed to catch is that the commissioner decided to become very wishy-washy, very quickly even after knowing exactaly what was up and being kept updated. Furthermore, a part that I left out of the above post, is how this commissioner chose to go to my best friend and constantly bitch about me, while to my face making claims that he was fine with the time being taken.

I'm sorry you don't see a reason for the post. Of course, not being involved in the situation you wouldn't have the same outlook that myself and the others that I discussed this with before I came here do.
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aaaamory
Apr. 12th, 2007 12:43 am (UTC)
I read that little snippet of conversation. How come in none of it you requested they stop? I saw you said, "Bah," and that's not really clear. It's just a sound. Not to be critical or anything (or maybe I am), but that is not how I would have handled it. My character is a cute, fuzzy snuggleable dragon and I get that all the time despite being in a relationship.

wyngaed
Apr. 12th, 2007 02:09 am (UTC)
Agreeing with jakeish. He's a creep. He gave me weirdo creep vibes all over the place after I friended him, mistaking him for a sane local furry. Yeah... not so sane. Way too over the top weirdo for me.

Personal opinions aside, he sounds delusional and dramatic. Refunding him and severing all contact on messengers and LJ seems to be the best course of action...

Too bad many furries just freakin' crave that free love, sex, swinger attitude of typefucking and "loving" their "friends" just a wee bit too much. Blech! My point being, he'll have no shortage of supporters and friends that will willingly pat his back and all that.
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rakshepsaar
Apr. 12th, 2007 02:14 pm (UTC)
Sexual harrassment? Heh, noooot really.

Sexual harrassment is defined as unwanted sexual attention, and since what Banrai typed there was really just typical animalistic, furry-style affection (I get it from a few people and just ignore it), there's no way to know over AIM whether it was unwanted unless she asked him to stop and said why.

Let's try to avoid smearing names beyond the necessary here, eh? :)
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banrai
Apr. 12th, 2007 06:17 pm (UTC)
His politeness to me was a facade, he went and ranted to my best friend about me for several weeks. As far as a business relationship goes, his being creepy has a lot to do with it. You don't try to type-screw, essentially, an employee.

I had no problem refunding this fellow his money. THe problem I have is that not only was he very un-communicative with me, but as well that he chose to go to an unrelated party, instead of straight to me with his problems. The problem I have is that he quickly became wishy-washy over the entire ordeal. Again, as I said, I had no problem refunding him. I'm just upset at how he chose to handle the situation.
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banrai
Apr. 12th, 2007 06:04 pm (UTC)
Well, you see the thing is that he DID bitch, not to me but to my best friend. According to her, every single day he was going on and on about me, even when I had no net access and he knew, and even when I started having computer issues.

The issue here is not that the troubles are the commissioner's responsibility. The issue is that when I take a commission I lay out exactly how I work, and make sure that the person is aware that it could take some time. If they're not ok with that, then they simply choose not to commission me. Even after saying he was ok with me taking a wee bit longer, he quickly flip-flopped and turned to my best friend threatening me, through her, about how I was ripping him off. Despite that he had communication with me, and could easily IM me any time and inquire about his commission.

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banrai
Apr. 12th, 2007 06:00 pm (UTC)
I'm unscreening them as I have a chance to reply to them, as I'd rather not have 20 pages of back-and-forth to go through. Frankly, if you want to have an attitude about me, then you should perhaps not read my posts. ;0
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banrai
Apr. 12th, 2007 06:37 pm (UTC)
I honestly don't know. It is, however, good to hear that he doesn't do this to all of his commissionees.
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lilenth
Apr. 12th, 2007 11:16 pm (UTC)
Re: I know Ridayah. I know how you feel.

This is supposed to be a community for discussing actual issues over commissions and other artistic business dealings. I personally think your last statement crosses the line into being scurrilous rather than informative.

As for the art trade thing? It is an artists perogative to refuse trades if they wish. The basis for the decision is their own and I really don't think you should be speaking of past dealings in such a manner since they are do not appear to be really relevant and your entire post seems to be more likely to draw out aggressive commentary and drama than legitimate discussion.
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