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This is being posted as a heads up to anyone who may have used Usenet in the past 10 years or so, or who may have had their work unrightfully distributed through those means in that time period.

Recently, I was a tester for Furnation's ( www.furnation.com ) new gallery system ( http://furnation.com/index.php?act=module&module=gallery viewer beware: adult content is hosted there, not all hidden behind maturity filters as there is currently no true moderation system).  While the site was in testing, Nexxus uploaded 27,000 + images, stories, etc.  from Usenet servers to the gallery systems, saying it was a test to see if the gallery could handle massive bulk uploads.  I left the site for a while as no work on it was progressing, and recently returned to find it open to the public, and the Archives (as the bulk upload was termed) still hosted in the new Gallery system as the last folder entry, with the following text as a disclaimer:

"This is a read-only directory of archived works that are available freely on the Internet.  Some of these works are updated in real time, others are static as the original archives are no longer in service. We provide this archive so that the original works will not be lost to time."

I contacted Nexxus and over several posts on his public forums and his private PM system, told him that there were several legal and ethical problems with what he was doing there.  Firstly, there is no copyright information for ANY of the 27,000+ works posted.  Also, his gallery system also acts as a storefront; artists who are also selling their work on Furplanet get a "buy it now" button on images that are prints, etc.  I informed him that the original intent of the posters uploading to Usenet most definitely was never to have their works posted without credit on a for-profit site.  Myself and other posters offered him several suggestions for making the Archive gallery both legal and fair to the artists whose works appear.  My own suggestion was, as he was saying that he was hosting them as a virtual history of the fandom, was to allow the fur community to take it on as a project, to research and post the copyright information, and to encourage folks to contact the original artists for permissions and to alert them that some very old art files had been saved if they were missing any, and remove any that were requested as quickly as possible.  Another poster suggested offering a locked archive drive where all of the original Usenet information was hosted, including the poster information, and any subsequent comments, so that it was a true Usenet archive.  That poster even offered to write a program for it that would allow it to be searchable, including by poster or mentioned names, so that it could act as credit.  He was ignored.

Nexxus has given several conflicting accounts as to his intent with the Archive.  First he stated that he would happily remove any artist's work who requested it, but later said he had no idea who any of the artists were and it was beyond his ability to provide such information.  He has also said he has on his servers all of the original Usenet information and knows for a fact that every single piece there was posted by the copyright holder, but has also said he has no way of correlating the Usenet information to the art files to give credit.  When asked what he would do if I myself told him that I wanted any of my work removed from the archive and that he would have to find it and remove it, he had no answer. 

Much of this exchange took place on his public forums, and after the suggestions for making the Archive legal and fair were posted, he locked the thread and stated he had removed the Archive and the next day would be deleting all subsequent files.  (BTW, yours truely was going to be personally responsible for wiping out ten years of fandom history, thank you very much.)  I took him to task privately and reminded him that all that was being asked for and offered was a way to help him and do exactly as he was claiming to do - preserve the works, in a way that also preserved the artist's wishes and credit - and his response was to delete the public exchange entirely.  The next day, he rehosted the Archive; due to the posting date reflected, it appears he had never deleted it, he had hidden it temporarily.

It was difficult for me to post this . . . I asked for a lot of outside opinion and advice on legal issues and the history of Usenet (uncluding whether it was considered public domain) and everything else that came before my time in the fandom before going this route, and I tried to give Nexxus every benefit of the doubt and chance to correct his actions.  It was also especially difficult as his new gallery system had a lot of potential to be very helpful to the fandom at large, and I am a firm believer in the basic conecpt behind the new community.  But he has made it very clear that he intends on hosting those works as is and has no intention of giving any artist credit.  He considers it too much trouble, and the works bring too much traffic to his website for him to take them down.

As such, artists may wish to check the Archive to the best of their ability (again, beware, mature content) to see if their work appears, and take appropriate action as they see fit to protect themselves.
Artist's beware has moved!
Do NOT repost your old bewares. They are being archived.


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Apr. 8th, 2007 10:03 pm (UTC)
Two things -
1. this post is kind of long, do you mind putting an LJ cut in it somewhere?

2. can you please link to the site in question? thanks. :)
Apr. 8th, 2007 10:27 pm (UTC)
Done and done. :)
Apr. 8th, 2007 10:44 pm (UTC)
Frankly, while I don't intend to invalidate your concern...

Furnation.... it is sort of a 'dying breed' or 'on it's way out the door' sort of thing.

Apr. 9th, 2007 01:31 am (UTC)
Unfortunately, I don't think that's the case.

FurNation, every time I think it's dying out, does something new and "exciting" to capture the attention of the furry fandom - at least those who give traffic and may not actually "contribute" to the fandom by sharing artwork or stories. I'm talking about the people that like to look at and download the artwork. Or on Second Life, the people that love a furry community to hang out.

To be quite honest, Nexxus does not impress me one bit. I have quite a few issues with his behavior - I cannot say with him personally since I do not KNOW him personally but from what I've seen of him (at conventions and around online) he really needs to cut the crap. I won't go into detail, but he seems to expect the fandom to be at his mercy at some times, he treats people in a way he shouldn't. He's also been mentioned in this community before for not paying an artist, who he was acting as an agent for, and yet he still had the money to open up new sims on Second Life.

I frankly don't know WHY FurNation is still around, but my guess is because it's a large, well-known place, and with the "boost" from SecondLife (unfortunately it IS one of the better furry hangouts in Second Life) I think it'll be around a bit longer.
Apr. 9th, 2007 02:58 am (UTC)
He's also been mentioned in this community before for not paying an artist, who he was acting as an agent for, and yet he still had the money to open up new sims on Second Life.
He's also been accused of the inverese, taking peoples' money in exchanges for services not rendered or misrepresented:


A bit of additional poking around shows that this is not an isolated incident:

Link #1
Link #2

Apr. 9th, 2007 03:44 am (UTC)
It doesn't surprise me at all, really. FurNation in Second Life is a mess. Truth be told, I high-tailed it out of there as soon as "Fox Diller" was no longer the FurNation mall manager, and "Inferniel Solvang" (anon poster that was brown-nosing in your first link there) started in with all sorts of crap. Rental boxes not sending notifications of about-to-expire rents in a high-traffic area, in particular, and then he had the balls to say "It's your fault if you don't pay up, you need to keep track" but then they don't keep ANY accounting for rent paid, and having the rentors switched out several times just was not cool.
Then again, in the time I had been there, the mall management changed THREE times and each time, since they hadn't kept accounting, I lost a couple hundred Linden dollars. You would expect better accounting from such a large "business," especially one that employs other people with the sole purpose of management. Three managers and they still can't get it right.

To be honest, what the fandom needs is a "New FurNation" of sorts, one that has the same concepts and the same backing, but better management. It's a great concept - it really is! - but poorly executed. Sadly, the furry fandom doesn't really HAVE much else to turn to, and FN has just been around for so long that all the fanboys don't really know where else to go. And so FN lives on...
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Apr. 9th, 2007 03:17 am (UTC)
ROFL!!!!! The System Admin doesn't even follow his own rules outlined in the agreement form that you gotta checkmark when you register!

"You agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyright is owned by you or by this bulletin board"

Priceless. What a loser.
Apr. 9th, 2007 04:15 am (UTC)
To tell you the truth I was a bit wary when you told me that you were moving back to Furnation. For reasons I'm still not sure of. I don't really like the way he handles his business to tell you the truth. Every time I've bought products from Furnation it would take them months to complete an order. Sure I eventually got my stuff but I don't think it should take in excess of 3+ months to get orders out. I was wondering if his handling of said site would be the same. Unfortunately this seems to be the case.

I'm still sticking with Furaffinity. As flawed as a lot of people claim that it is I'll take Dragoneer's honesty over lies anyday.
Apr. 9th, 2007 04:40 am (UTC)
Well, honestly as my site goes up I'm pulling off of FA too. Nexxus might not be trustworthy, but that's no worse than Dragoneer's backstabbing the community he's supposed to support at this point. *sighs and ambles off*
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Apr. 9th, 2007 02:27 pm (UTC)
Which one would you like? Policy changes that alienate users after they've donated to the site with little or no notice? Using FA resources to run "official" contests for his own gain? Posting on the official forums as an admin that large sections of the community deserve no respect because they don't have the art training that others do? Encouraging staff and hangers-on to continue verbal harrassment against people he doesn't agree with when they are trying to help the site?

Wrong place and time "here" of course, but I've got plenty to say on the topic of public fur and art sites now. I'll have it up somewhere on my own space before much longer.
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heh... - lapis_snowmeow - May. 1st, 2007 02:11 pm (UTC) - Expand
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Apr. 9th, 2007 08:00 am (UTC)
I tried looking when I remembered a friend of mine has taken the liberty of posting my work to usenet (I think) once, without my prior knowledge or consent even. But it tells me I have to be logged in.

If anyone finds files beginning with th-[name.jpg] that'll be mine, though I only started using the prefix two years or so ago. Anyway, screenshots would be appreciated if anyone finds my work in there.
Apr. 29th, 2007 11:07 pm (UTC)
These actions just make Nexxus and co look bad..
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