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Noblewolf

Would like to know why my message about noblewolf is being rejected? That's pretty much it. I think other people should be warned as most people that get his suits don't fit and either need to be sent back to him (which wastes time) or to have someone else fix it (which in his little mind violates his toc)

So i'd like to know why? If you want to see a full account of what happened.. well here you go.

I gave Noblewolf a laptop (ibook) and a ipod (2gb nano) in exchange for two suits. When my mate got his suit.. neither the head or the body suit fit. I got my suit a few weeks later and the same dilema came up. I took both suits to blackfire seeing as we were at Further Confusion and we would like to wear them.. at this con?

He fixed them and I guess that pissed noblewolf off as no one likes to be told that their work is not perfect.

Now a small hole has developed in the underlayer of the suit.. and you know what? I'll pay for someone else to fix that too.. I don't care. I approached him first basically asking if anything would be done and he said that the suit was past 1 year old.

Um.. other fursuit builders.. like blackfire.. give a 1 year warranty with the unit. What.. your warranty is a few months and after that i'm screwed?

Fine. Go ahead. But the thing that makes me the angriest about this.. is that he bascially implied I have had fursuit sex in this suit.

I have said it before and i'll say it again. My suit is not built for that. period. And if he wants to go ahead and market suits for that.. more power to him. I have worn my suit 3 occassions, FC2006, halloween last year and FC2007. To have ANY type of damage in the suit with non strenous activity implies one thing.

Shoddy workmanship.

That's all i have to say about this matter.. other than there are other fursuit builders out there that'll stand by their work. I am sorry to say that noble is not one of them

Johnny
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growly
Jan. 26th, 2007 08:45 pm (UTC)
A few questions for you.
When you and your mate first got your suits, did you tell Noble they didn't fit and ask him to fix it?
Mistakes happen, and sizing issues are usually very easy to fix.

Also, all suits need regular maintenance, especially if you are wearing it often. You only wore it to 3 cons, yes, but what you do in the suit during that time and how many hours will affect how it wears.

And comparing his warranty plan with Blackfire's is irrelevant. If you want Blackfire's warranty, buy a Blackfire suit. Everybody has their own terms and conditions, and if these terms were clearly laid out at the beginning of the commission, you have no right to complain.
johnnyblanco
Jan. 26th, 2007 11:13 pm (UTC)
How were we going to get him to fix it? The agreement is that these suits were to be delivered before FC and that they FIT. They DID NOT fit. At that point he violated the agreement so I went and enlisted Blackfire's help and he graciously took time and effort to fix two heads and two suits.. thursday.. lasting into the night so the suits were ready to go friday.
neolucky
Jan. 26th, 2007 11:30 pm (UTC)
I can't see how "They must fit" Would be humanly possible? Without you there 24/7 for fitting, it seems that there's always going to be room for "tailoring". Noones perfect :\. That sort of agreement is on the rediculous side. I can understand you wanting them before the con, but expecting them to be %100 accurate to your body structure is a bit extreme.
johnnyblanco
Jan. 26th, 2007 11:49 pm (UTC)
Oh really? Then explain how i gave the same set of measuraments to Tirran aka Ron Orr and he made a suit that not only fit.. but fit WELL?

Also explain that how not just I but other "customers" of his had gotten their suits and had to either have them tailored or completely redone.

No one is perfect.. i agree. But then again there's a degree of professionalism that you expect from some of these people.. and he didnt' meet it. At all
crssafox
Jan. 27th, 2007 12:10 am (UTC)
This is why duct tape dummies are usually sent to a fursuit maker when the person can't be present for fittings. Or, at the very least, VERY exact measurements need to be taken.

In my opinion, if Noble's taking fursuit commissions and has had problems with the suits fitting properly, he needs to request that people send duct tape dummies. If his clients don't want to, THEN it's on the client when the suit doesn't fit properly.

It's not unreasonable to ask that the suits fit properly. It is, however, up to the fursuit maker to be sure they get the proper measurements or means of fitting the suit... the commissioner shouldn't have to remember to provide the information that an "experienced" fursuit maker should already know to ask.
johnnyblanco
Jan. 27th, 2007 12:14 am (UTC)
I agree with da cute foxie! :D

Seriously, I had the same measurements that I gave to Tirran and the suit came out fine.. i give 'em to noble and they're short.. WTF. :)

Anyways, yeah.. if anyone wants to do that.. send him a duct tape dummy..
wereblood
Jan. 27th, 2007 01:28 am (UTC)
I completely disagree.

If a fursuiter is taking commissions and saying that he only needs certain measurements to make it fit then it's on the fursuiter to make it fit. When I take a fursuit commission or make one for someone whom is not right next to me I get all the measurements I need right then and there and make the suit to that. It IS NOT hard to make a suit right, especially when you are getting money/expensive things for it. I made my lover's suit without any problems. I had him try it on every now and then, but I did not have to make any alterations because it's not hard. For someone who has made SO many suits you would figure that he would do a better job than that.

Now if he was new, or if one of suits had been mis done I would understand. However when both suits are not done right and he is cold about fixing his own mistakes than you begin to have a problem.

Joy
johnnyblanco
Jan. 27th, 2007 02:04 am (UTC)
That's my point exactly, were. I asked people when I was getting my suit built and they were like.. it's not going to fit.. and I said.. no way, this'll fit.. I gave these measurments to Tirran and he built a suit that fit.

Hate to say but they were right. And he's built alot of suits that blackfire had to fix or they were shipped back. Now tell me, if you got a suit a day before the con and you can either a) ship it back and get it fixed or b) pay someone money to re-tailor it.

Which would you do?

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