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Hey all, It's been a long time since I posted here, so I'm unlurking for a few minutes.

The first reason is because I'd like to gracously thank ryokokitty for the prompt and polite communication, timely progress, and beautiful completion of the commission she did for me back in August. I don't get the opportunity to commission other artists very often, and I have to say that my experience working with her was one of the most pleasant I've ever had.

The second reason isn't so much a warning about myself (apparently people don't appreciate that very much) but a public FYI that I haven't forgotten those who have commissioned me or asked me for trades in the past. I took a year-long hiatus from not just furry art, but art in general, following some severely stressful situations with regards to the discovery of my furry fetish work by my family and a less-than-satisfactory experience working with a certain client (which I explain in detail behind the cut below). I WILL begin taking commissions in early 2007, after I've been able to gain closure in one form or another on my current backlog.

I don't know if this is the appropriate place to post this (let me know and I'll edit it out), but there have been a lot of comments about how artists aren't clear about their terms before they get commissioned - usually about things like distribution rights and timescale - and I'm curious as to whether my own "Commission Info" page is the sort of thing a client wants to see before entering into a commisison transaction. I know it's long and probably boring, but I tried not to leave out anything... How can an artist lay their terms flat on the table without coming across as pretentious and self-righteous, anyway? :/

Finally, I would like to post about my experience working with a certain client and former friend. This happened several months ago, but I haven't ever actually gone into detail about it publicly until now:


I'd like to start by saying how regretful the need to post this makes me. I don't want to seem like I'm out to smear this person, for the sake of the good friend that he used to be. But I do feel the need to relay my experience.

Some of you may be familiar with a fur who went by the name of Tadji / Tadjima / Tadrick. He used other names but I can't honestly remember what they were at this point. He went through a series of different fursona's - bear, horse, cat, wolf... he couln't really seem to make up his mind. Which is fine, really, I dont' really care one way or another... I lived with him and chrispardus in MA for almost a year, and towards the end of that time, Tadrick commissioned me to do an illustration of his character in return for my portion of the apartment rent and bills for that month. Fair enough.

Admittedly, being able to work that closely with someone was nice, I could just walk over and show him my progress, and he could walk over and look and offer hands-on critique and show me right there what needed changed. When he had me do this peice, he'd decided that his fursona was a tanuki. Okay, fine. He handed me a TON of reference material for the work, and while it was more fetishy than I'm usually comfortable with, it was paying my rent so... whatever. Well, when it got to the coloring stage, he kept changing his mind about the coloration and fur pattern of his character. Since I'm working in colored pencil, it's REALLY HARD to go over what's already been done - I ended up doing several layers of white gel pen and colored pencil until the peice was perfect according to him... the background was more detailed than I'd ever done, before, etc. A few of the things in the image were based on real-life objects.

When the picture was done, I was exhausted - artistically and emotionally. He seemed very pleased with the finished peice though he made some absent comments about further changes of mind he'd had about the character design, making me feel like he didn't appreciate it as much as he said he did, but was instead trying to make me feel like I hadn't wasted all that time.

The real burn about it came less than 6 months after the peice was finished - he decided that he was no longer a fur, that he thought of us as "freaks" and that we, his former friends, didn't "fit into his ideal lifestyle" anymore - all that time that I spent working so closely with him, him baring his fetishes and kinks to me so I could work them into the drawing - wasted. Completely. And then basically being called a freak because I produced it. I'd be willing to put money on the bet that he destroyed or threw away that peice, and if I'd known that it was going to end up like that, I would never have agreed to draw it and came up with the rent money some other way.

Just to have something that you work SO HARD on just... tossed aside like so much garbage. *sigh*
Here's the picture in question, though be warned that it's rather hardcore: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/302337/

I doubt Tadrick will return to the furry community again, but if he does, be warned. He's prone to doing complete 180's about things, almost none of his decisions actually stick for good, and he can be a pretty unpleasant person when he wants to be.
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anjel_kitty
Dec. 5th, 2006 02:22 am (UTC)
You should post your positive recommendations on artistrecommend

I'm sorry about your bad experience with that Tadrick fellow
kerstin_orion
Dec. 5th, 2006 02:34 am (UTC)
Yes, positive posts can go on Artist Recommend, also.

I just want to add (for newcomers who might not know) that positive experiences are welcomed here, as well. :)
anjel_kitty
Dec. 5th, 2006 02:40 am (UTC)
Oh sure! I was just letting you know incase you didnt already :)
drake_anaya
Dec. 5th, 2006 02:45 am (UTC)
Do you mind not plugging your community if it's the only relevant comment you have to make? ("sorry about your experience" is debatably relevant)

I realize that not everyone is aware of your community yet, but it's shades of pushy and detracting against our community rules (allowances) to keep pointing it out as you do.
anjel_kitty
Dec. 5th, 2006 02:47 am (UTC)
Geee... sorry... I was just trying to be helpful.
I'll quit then :(
ryokokitty
Dec. 5th, 2006 08:31 am (UTC)
Awww, thank you! I'm glad you liked the commission, and that I made it a good experience for you =)
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kierstal
Dec. 5th, 2006 05:52 pm (UTC)
Thank you very much :)
lilenth
Dec. 5th, 2006 05:22 pm (UTC)

To be honest, as an artist it's a good idea to learn to let go of all the pieces you do. Things happen, ungrateful people throw them in the trash, they get destroyed in fires or floods, someone spills something on them. One artist even had a piece she worked really hard on used as a dartboard by the sons of the person who positively begged her to sell it to them. It hurts less if you treat each piece as gone the moment it is out of your hands.

Once I'm paid, I don't care if the commissioner uses the piece as a beer met or hangs it in their bedroom. I still have the high res copy, all the sketches and the talent to create more.
kierstal
Dec. 5th, 2006 05:51 pm (UTC)
I guess what made it a lot more difficult to do that is the fact that not only did I work so closely with the person it was for, but it was someone that I considered a friend, someone that I trusted, that I thought had the same amount of appreciation for the work and everything it took to produce it that I did. I mean, sure, if it's just some random stranger that does something like that... it's easier to "let go" of a peice. But to have your work belittled in such a way by someone that close to you... really hurts.

On a side note... a *dartboard*? Yeesh, how crass :/
lilenth
Dec. 5th, 2006 06:18 pm (UTC)

I had mine stolen by someone I had to work with for 3 more months, another time a co-worker I had worked with for over 3 years ruined a picture by "altering" it while I was in the ladies, he drew hard over my soft lines and defaced it by adding in nipples in completely the wrong place, after that's happened more than once, you start getting a bit more blase about even people you know well understanding what goes into a picture.
rusti_knight
Dec. 6th, 2006 12:13 am (UTC)
Any co-worker of mine doing that to a piece I was working on would be subject to a serious brow-beating. Whether I could just take a piece of tracing paper and transfer my sketch or not would not be the issue.

That's an invasion of my personal space as opposed to just defacing a drawing. He probably wouldn't want me drawing all over something like, say, his diploma, computer desk, CDs, etc. so why should he get away with doodling on my things?

Maybe I just have personal space issues. ;)
lilenth
Dec. 9th, 2006 01:38 pm (UTC)

The co-worker in question got admitted to a psych ward anyway. Guess it's true that people get what they deserve given that he was abusive to everyone.
lilitha
Dec. 14th, 2006 05:02 am (UTC)
No it's not just you. One of my co-workers wrote a question on a piece of work that I was going to give to someone that works across the way from me. Granted it was a tiny little drawing and I could do it again easily, it was the principal that instead of asking me in person about it, she wrote the damn question right on the picture when I was gone. What makes it worse is that I showed it to her earlier and told her I was giving the picture to this person and I even told her what the symbols in the picture represent (the picture has an owl sitting on a tree with a lily blossom on one branch and a chili pepper on the other, to symbolize my name, Lily and the name of the girl I was going to give the picture to, Pepper). She wrote "chili pepper?" with a little arrow next to the chili pepper on the picture. I guess I could say I saw it coming as this person isn't the brightest, but I know if I wrote something in one of her journals that she leaves out, she would have flipped out.
zoom_gas
Dec. 8th, 2006 08:07 am (UTC)
oh so THATS the story behind that picture. the subject matter freaks the shit out of me but damnnn youve got SKILLZ.
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