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I dislike having to do this, but unfortunately it seems drama is going to result whether I keep quiet or not. If it gets out of hand, I will simply delete the post. Comments from users outside this community are being screened.

We are all quite familiar with Mix. I realize that there may be some people here that do associate with him, but please read this through in its entirety, as I do not have anything personal against Mix. Some background is being given so that my reasons in this situation are known.

There's no questioning that Mix has been quite vocal about his way of seeing things in the past, in very public forums. This community included, up until recently. Some of those views can be considered very controversial to artists, and many have stated publicly that they would not do business with Mix based on the way he thinks things should operate. I am one of the artists who does not feel comfortable doing business with Mix based on what he's said publicly, and said frequently. Also factoring into that decision is the fact that I have seen Mix get out of hand and get verbally abusive in dealing with artists and costumers who have had complaints against him in this community in the past. The complaints that others have made aren't a factor, but how he dealt with them is. I am not inclined to do business with somebody who starts swearing and getting personal when there's a problem or things don't go their way.

All factors are based on what I've seen firsthand, not the experiences others have had. Not feeling comfortable doing business with somebody does not equate to having something personal against them. Just because somebody is willing to hire you does not mean you must take the contract.

I do some of my business through FurBid. I covered all my bases by blocking his account, "Mix" from bidding. If I would choose not to get into a contract with Mix outside of FurBid, it is well within my rights to ensure that I don't get forced into one through FurBid. Recently he discovered this fact when trying to bid on an auction of mine, and immediately created a second account, "Roscoe", to get around the block I had on his first account. I put a block on the second account and had the bid removed, closing the auction down early to ensure that Mix didn't attempt to create a third account.

I am not impressed with his attempt at ban evasion by creating a secondary account. Blocking somebody from bidding simply means "I do not wish to do business with you", nothing more, nothing less. It does not mean you have a personal vendetta against them. To my knowledge, Mix still has access to FurBid's services because Ayukawataur, the FurBid administrator, has not told me otherwise (if he has been blocked from FurBid's services entirely because of his actions, then I will delete this post as it will no longer be an issue). I am posting this as a warning to others who may not wish to do business with Mix for their own reasons.


EDIT: Ayukawa has apparently suspended Mix from FurBid while she looks into things.
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thaily
Nov. 5th, 2006 07:19 pm (UTC)
"Recently he discovered this fact when trying to bid on an auction of mine, and immediately created a second account, "Roscoe", to get around the block I had on his first account."

Wow, that's sad :/
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loregryph
Nov. 5th, 2006 09:31 pm (UTC)
She didn't give anything detailed when she replied to my email regarding Mix's actions, but she said she's looking into it. That's all I can really expect, but knowing the issue is being explored is enough for me. Whether it's Mix or somebody else, I'm sure other artists wouldn't be too impressed with somebody pulling a ban evasion on them either.
growly
Nov. 5th, 2006 07:44 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the heads-up about that second account.
dunaerin
Nov. 5th, 2006 07:47 pm (UTC)
I can't honestly say I trust furbid all that much when it comes to matters like these. I had someone make a fake account so that their identity would be hidden from me, to bid on an auction. When it closed I contacted the listed email, and no response came, so I shrugged it off as someone changing their mind. I was then banned from furbid, and when I asked about it- it was because I had 'ripped someone off'. The person was validated to be someone else, someone I had suspected, and even though they made a fake account and got me banned for 'bad buisness', when I came back to try and get unbanned after the fact, they said that basically, there was'nt sufficient proof- I kind of went EH at the fact that the account was made to harrass me and without proof on their part, I was banned, but the other person remained. I have not yet gotten a response from the administrator of furbid to my last response, which was a bit stunned at the idea that they needed proof to reinstate my account, which was banned on the basis of a lie.

So, all in all, IMHO (and experience), furbid is a super flaky place, and although the issue had hurt my business, which at the time was my only source of income, the other person had been allowed to go on with theirs, which I find to be unfair, and very very hypocritical.
atateatarin
Nov. 5th, 2006 10:07 pm (UTC)
Ugh - suckage < .. > What's proof anyway? The guy was discovered being an asstard. I'd see that proof enough.


You could always screencap your payment received Paypal transactions at the time to show you didn't receive anything from them, and a copy of the email you sent the guy - of course, that's only if you wanted to - I admit, I've had a couple of NPB's myself, but none who done summat like that - I'd probably flip my lid - I get the greatest majority of my business from Furbid.
dunaerin
Nov. 6th, 2006 01:57 am (UTC)
It's more the fact that it was done to harrass me that bugs me, and the fact that they were TRYING TO GET MY ADDRESS.

Yeah, that bugs the hell out of me.

But like i said, Furbid couldnt do jack about it? But... they could ban ME for accusations found to be FALSE.
atateatarin
Nov. 6th, 2006 02:26 am (UTC)
:O Oh man - stalkerific much, yes? Yenno I'd consider that to be pretty serious - I have to say, I'm really disappointed that Furbid didn't do anything appropriate about it when it became obvious the guy lied.

That's pretty messed up.
thaily
Nov. 6th, 2006 07:56 am (UTC)
Dude.

You have a domainname.

I can find your address in a heartbeat.
Don't think your personal information is safe just because you banned someone from bidding on your stuff.
dunaerin
Nov. 6th, 2006 06:34 pm (UTC)
My domain is actually regestered through my host. So no, my info isn't quite out there.
bi_ancha
Nov. 5th, 2006 08:43 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the warning =3
atateatarin
Nov. 5th, 2006 10:14 pm (UTC)
I think I know the fellow you're talking about, but I don't actually know what his stance is on how things should be run or anything. Anyone who gets vocal or abusive is worth avoiding IMO, I must say though, I'm now curious about what's gone on ^..^


Yes I lead a sheltered O-L life XD
growing_rose
Nov. 5th, 2006 11:34 pm (UTC)
I do believe the OP is referring to Mix's belief that an artist should not sign their work if asked. I think he said something about how it detracts from the artwork?
atateatarin
Nov. 6th, 2006 02:34 am (UTC)
Whuu Oo
As far as I'm concerned, if an artist draws a piece, the artist has every right to sign it.
I dunno, unless you're working under a WFHA for some corp and they need the work to be unsigned for whatever obscure reason and it's in the.... yeah, blah blah - without rambling 'Tari, without rambling XD.
Maybe it's just me speaking through my pride but I'd kinda be a little offended and very affronted if a commissioner demanded/requested that I remove my signiture or not sign at all on an artwork, unless there was a damned good reason why I shouldn't. Even then I'd be iffy.
growing_rose
Nov. 6th, 2006 03:01 am (UTC)
I have a friend who met him, and apparently, he honestly DOES remember EVERYONE who did the art he has and didn't sign it. If not everyone, quite enough to impress her.

Otherwise, yeah ... I wouldn't be too happy with someone not wanting me to sign either.

If I remember, he threw some sort of fit because an artist signed an icon and you could barely see it in the shrunken version.
banrai
Nov. 5th, 2006 11:44 pm (UTC)
Mix Hyenatard is not to be trusted under any circumstance. He has a horrible tenancy to lie, put words in your mouth, and then make claims that you said/did things that never occurred. It is a very wise move to preemptively block him from any contact with you. I made the mistake of agreeing to do a sketch for him, and after five re-draws, making him a conbadge, etc etc he still could not be satisfied. I don't even do that many redraws for a paying customer without further reimbursement. He also obtained my phone number during this time, and called me at all hours of the night. He would leave messages telling me how he loved me, and missed me.

It is my advice to stay as far away from this socially challanged boy as possible.
kjorteo
Nov. 5th, 2006 11:52 pm (UTC)
Hehe...Mix Hyenatard.

This isn't exactly an intelligent reply with something worthwhile to contribute to the discussion or anything, but I like that.
caishide
Nov. 6th, 2006 03:39 am (UTC)
whoa wtf happened? last i heard you guys were close friends who defended each other

(just curious, i understand if you don't want to divulge)
banrai
Nov. 6th, 2006 05:39 am (UTC)
http://banrai.livejournal.com/796407.html


Long story short, he tried to twist the friendship I had offered him because I felt bad for him. The line was drawn when he wouldn't stop phoning me, even after me telling him time and time again to NOT contact me. After I posted that entry, he started harassing my friends as well... however after about a week I suppose he got bored and moved on to bigger and better artists to harass.
caishide
Nov. 6th, 2006 06:41 am (UTC)
ew. seriously, ew.
i am SO glad he stopped interaction with me at asking me to bite him and lurking around my public lj entries.
banrai
Nov. 6th, 2006 02:49 pm (UTC)
It really is a sad situation. As I've seen, the people that get hurt the most by this guy are the ones that try and be his friend because they feel bad for him. It's rather disappointing to see people that are trying to help someone that's down get hurt and screwed over so often.

bladespark
Nov. 12th, 2006 12:07 am (UTC)
"Hyenatard" *giggles* I am amused muchly by that!

Though the situation with him is very sad.... Happily he's never bothered me, other than mocking my stuff on furbid horrors, but meh, everybody gets mocked there.
skanrashke
Nov. 6th, 2006 09:41 pm (UTC)
Another fun mix factiod: Because if things don't go his way, clearly, YOU must be breaking the law. Wrong again. Every time I've seen him post on artists_beware, its' usually something like "You can't withold service from someone, its' illegal and I'll sue" or something along those lines. Its' amazing what a bit of ignorance and hearing enoughu bs from the mouths of rednecks(America's the greatest land to live in! Apparently everythings' illegal if its' against an american.) will do to one's perception of the law.
Actually, what he's doing there can be considered stalking, and you CAN get a restraint order, via the office of media. Apparently, online stalking is a crime punishable by jail time(Up to a month). So if he's bothering you, just tell him A: I don't want to deal with you. and B: Keep it up, sunshine. I'll toss your ass in jail. I'm sure you can get enough people to testify against him. I'm sure even people would be willing to falsify evidence to get him thrown in jail; which is unfortunate, but true- so he really needs to be on his toes over eggshells when dealing with people, but of course, we know he won't be.
giza
Nov. 7th, 2006 05:35 pm (UTC)
Stalking laws
The sentence would depend on the state that he resides in.

Here's a list of Cyberstalking Laws by state.
anjel_kitty
Nov. 12th, 2006 08:21 pm (UTC)
MIx is just insane. If I went to bid on someones auction and found I was banned, I would be like "screw you people then I am not going to give you money when you don't want it". I would not create another account just so I could spitefully bid on something and give money to people who don't want it.
But then that would be the sane logical reaction and we all know that Mix is not sane or logical.
ayukawataur
Mar. 7th, 2007 12:58 am (UTC)
final disposition
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