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Moving Offsite Poll Results

Howdy!

From both our community poll and twitter poll, the results were that the community wants us to move.

Currently we have a domain, and our site is well under way with great help from TiantiShizhe on Twitter. We are using Invision Community.

What We Have
- A section for bewares where users will be able to search via an artist/client's name.
Searching an artist's name will bring up all entries, including resolved, open bewares, and positive entries.

- A forum where users will be able to seek advice.

- A resources section where we will host a variety of topics like "Freelancing 101" and "Building a ToS". Currently only moderators may post to this section.

What We Are Working On

- From a little glimpse in the forum screenshot we are currently working on a way to archive the entries from LJ. LJ doesn't make it easy, but this is what's likely going to take up the bulk of our time. Comments may have to come at a later date, or may be cherry picked based on the entry. Those can't be ported, and would have to be manually screenshotted or saved.

- Cosmetic. The blue background is not staying; it's a default. There will be multiple themes for users to choose from.

- Email support. No more having to pick a moderator. Emailing our email address should ping a central location, and all moderators will be notified.

Quick Q&A

1. Will I need an account to use the new site?
Currently, yes. You may register an account with us or use a twitter account. We will only collect your email address, and those are viewable to moderators only. At this time we do not intend for guests to be able to comment or post bewares, but they may view all of the site.

2. Will Artists_Beware maintain the same posting requirements?
No. A lot of our policies exist because of being situated on LJ. We will discuss what we can loosen up on now that we have our own home. However, requiring all real life names be censored will always be a must.

3. When do you plan on launching?
There is no estimate right now. The infrastructure is down, but the archive remains the biggest hurdle. We want to ensure that it's completely intact.

4. Is there anything else?
I would personally like to have a status that would indicate a member that isn't a moderator, but has proven themselves to be a valuable member of the community by their knowledge. We have many members who have continuously given fantastic advice through the years, and a level where you are highlighted to the community at whole would be a nice feature, I believe. A gold star contributor of sorts.


So this is where we're at. If you have any questions feel free to ask, and I will answer them to the best of my ability.

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Comments

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gatekat
Oct. 12th, 2018 06:57 pm (UTC)
When searching for a name will it pull up all the names associated with the person?
celestinaketzia
Oct. 12th, 2018 07:01 pm (UTC)
Yes, so long as we know about it. I'm not sure yet how we want to handle it. If we'll do the large grouped tags like we do now or an individual tag for each name.

So it's either going to be:
celestina/celestinaketzia

or
celestina celestinaketzia

Either way the tagging system functions a lot like LJs where we can change things in one go.
gatekat
Oct. 12th, 2018 08:05 pm (UTC)
Glad to hear it.

I'm no help on which way to do tags. I can see advantages each way.

Grouped: should make it easier to keep everything linked. When you update one with a new name it would update the rest of the appearances. But you could run into character limits and it can get hard to read.

Individual: easier to read but keeping everything tagged could be hard. And it's possible to run into a # of tags limit to the software used.
oceandezignz
Oct. 12th, 2018 08:37 pm (UTC)
Tag limit?

What's that?

Our friendly site helper has said limits are extinct!
gatekat
Oct. 12th, 2018 10:07 pm (UTC)
That is great to know.
norsepaw
Oct. 13th, 2018 05:21 pm (UTC)
I like :D
bunraygma
Oct. 14th, 2018 01:02 am (UTC)
I'm excited about this! I normally just lurk and read here on AB 99% of the time, but I read EVERYTHING and have learned a lot.

My thoughts:

Comments may have to come at a later date, or may be cherry picked based on the entry. Those can't be ported, and would have to be manually screenshotted or saved.

Most of the time, comments are interesting to read, but don't really add much new info to the original post. And so much of the actual advice given in older entries is sadly outdated. Especially for things like USPS/FedEx/UPS etc. shipping policies and Paypal policies. This community has over 119,000 total comments received. That's impressive, but it would be SO much work combing through them for cherry-picking, and SO much time and effort to expand and screenshot them! Not to mention...before the current rules for everyone to behave professionally were in place, there was a loooooot of flaming in the comments. Those are probably best left lost to time. lol.

I'm shuddering just thinking of the mods having to sort through all that for migration. Maybe in the posts on the new site, a link could be provided to the original post on AB-LJ if people want to see the comments? And if there's a particular thread or two that it's vital for people to see to get the full story, that could be screenshotted or thread directly linked to in the post on the new site?

If you do go the cherry-picking route and need help combing comments, I'd be happy to volunteer to look for comments that add to the discussion...or maybe reveal times the OP was a got-dang liar. I I work as a scholastic researcher at one of my...far too many...day jobs so it's kinda what I'm familiar with?
oceandezignz
Oct. 14th, 2018 08:06 am (UTC)
We have a general outline of what we want to prioritize for archiving posts (think about a year after Dani and I joining the comm as moderator staff) and we're probably going to move that outline toward commenting too.

This is like a keto diet for the comm; only good proteins. No fillers!
bunraygma
Oct. 15th, 2018 07:25 pm (UTC)
That's a good plan! It'll save you all some serious time and effort. Good for the readers too! That'll weed out the older beware posts for people who aren't a concern because they aren't scamming people anymore or having bad business practices. If people want to read those older bewares they can just hit up the archives here!
peachymars
Oct. 14th, 2018 11:31 am (UTC)
This looks great! I lost it and almost spilled my drink at the "Celestina Took My Eggs" example. You would.
celestinaketzia
Oct. 15th, 2018 01:15 am (UTC)
I have many bewares out for egg theft.
sbneko
Oct. 16th, 2018 07:04 pm (UTC)
I'm not sure if this was discussed anywhere, but do you guys have ideas on what to do for the proof sections?

At the moment, people write in their own bewares to be approved, and usually use things like imgur or similar for links to proof. But over time, that often gets deleted, especially on old bewares. So I'm curious if the new site will be able to prevent that.
celestinaketzia
Oct. 16th, 2018 07:07 pm (UTC)
It does allow for items to be attached to the post, so hosting offsite is no longer necessary. Members do not have permissions to delete their own attachments.
sbneko
Oct. 16th, 2018 07:08 pm (UTC)
That's great to hear!
slinkslowdown
Oct. 17th, 2018 01:52 am (UTC)
Good to hear!
slinkslowdown
Oct. 17th, 2018 01:57 am (UTC)
How will banning users work on the new site?

On LJ, banned users can still view public content in the community, but not locked entries. [Are locked entries even allowed to be made here? I forgot and a quick scan of the submission guidelines didn't mention public VS community locked posts.] Would the new site work in a similar manner or would only non-banned members/guests be allowed to view content?

And something that came to mind, what about people who have been banned here from the LJ comm? What's to prevent them from creating accounts on the new site? Or will the mods just sort of wipe the slate clean and just deal with people based on how they act on the new site?

Edited at 2018-10-17 01:59 am (UTC)
celestinaketzia
Oct. 17th, 2018 02:41 am (UTC)
Locked entries are unlocked by us.

In the new comm banned users will essentially be guests. They can view, but can't interact with anything.

We haven't discussed how the ban list is going to carry over, however there are a handful of people who will be preemptively banned due to obscenely poor behavior in private with our moderation staff.
rendrassa
Oct. 22nd, 2018 05:40 pm (UTC)
Quick question: would it be possible for the new site to not have delete options for posts? I'm thinking of when bewares are deleted or the subject of a beware deletes their rants.
celestinaketzia
Oct. 22nd, 2018 06:25 pm (UTC)
Only moderators will have the ability to delete items.
rendrassa
Oct. 23rd, 2018 05:13 am (UTC)
That is really good to hear.
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