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unpaid reference sheet

WHO: Rayd / Hytyle / Aprilycan

WHERE: fur affinity

WHAT: reference sheet

WHEN: July 21 to yesterday morning

EXPLAIN: user posted to FA forums in search of an artist for making a reference sheet. we agreed that I would be paid 60 during the process and remaining 40 upon completion. since being around 60% of the way through, I have been asking for partial payment; user has in response, acted like a victim by me asking for payment, suddenly reversing the affirming that my style works for them, that they like what I'm making, and claiming they hate it and therefore don't need to pay me. they have even said i'm witch hunting them, which is hilarious! since I've given up being paid the rent money i still need and have moved on to simply wanting to warn other people that this person is insincere and dishonest in their dealings.

screencaps, edited to take out ad and text box space, removing a third party name. otherwise this is the story so far...Collapse )

all said, I think some people are just best avoided at times. I don't know what's going on with this person, but I'd glad a platform exists to warn fellow artists. am I sad? yes. can I pay the rent without this income? not yet. am I going to waste my time harassing this person like they're harassing me? definitely not. but now I know I can check for names here if someone I'm working for seems fishy, and hope everyone stays safe out there.
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kstormcrow
Aug. 25th, 2018 06:12 pm (UTC)
Based on comments in the thread on FA forums-- did hytyle really just block OP on yet another platform and report OP's submission of the art to get it taken down, assumedly to try and hide evidence of its level of completion? Really hoping I'm assuming the worst and misreading something here?

http://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/being-witchhunted-by-an-artist-advice.1650285/page-2

If I'm reading this right this entire mess is going a LONG way to proving OP's maturity in dealing with it all... And hytyle's ongoing efforts to just keep on digging that hole they find themselves in. Sorry if this is unnecessarily snarky, I just... Jesus.
hytyle
Aug. 25th, 2018 06:36 pm (UTC)
Again, I was not in the know that I was wrong until about a day ago. I know that's not an excuse, but I filed a support ticket on the post before the AB was even made, thinking that It was specifically to incite a witch-hunt. I had no prior knowledge he was actually using it for substantial evidence.
dragontripmon
Aug. 25th, 2018 06:42 pm (UTC)
Hold it let me get this straight you reported the art the artist did for you thinking it's a witch hunt? I don't think you know the difference between actual harassment. I don't really get why you would do something like that and only make yourself look worse off then you already have.
hytyle
Aug. 25th, 2018 06:47 pm (UTC)
No, I reported a post he made on FA, revealing chat logs and defaming me in his own words. Granted I know now that it was warranted, but at the time I was being sent shouts and notes from various people trying to start things with me, so I reported the post in hopes that it'd stop, since It encouraged people to harass me.

Edited at 2018-08-25 06:48 pm (UTC)
kstormcrow
Aug. 26th, 2018 01:15 am (UTC)
This strikes me as a bit odd, since in the post where OP shared that screenshot of the takedown notice they mention 'the art was of xyz'. Going to hope that that's some sort of miscommunication-- hopefully you understand that I'm a bit more inclined to believe OP over you at this point.

I am glad to see that you two seem to be making contact with one another in this thread at least. Please believe me when I say I think most people in this thread would like to see this end in a legitimately satisfactory way for you both.
hytyle
Aug. 26th, 2018 02:48 am (UTC)
Woah, I had not even known what you were talking about all this time before going on the FAF forums and seeing the post before logging in. I wasn't able to see what was said by him on FAF because we both seem to have blocked eachother, since I still can't see his posts on the site after have unblocked him. (Which can be seen on the FAF thread.)

Though I don't have proof of my intentions, I do have proof that I made the support ticket before the AB was made. It wasn't just art, by the way, it was screenshots of discord, and in the description were statements which incited witchhunting in others. Although I never screenshotted the photo specifically, I'm sure kaivey would have no problem confirming this as things are close to getting resolved.

http://prntscr.com/kmxhf6
https://prnt.sc/kmxhsv

Since then, me and kaivey have contacted eachother on Discord, and have worked something out. We will both be sure to confirm when I have paid.
whoop_zi
Aug. 25th, 2018 07:32 pm (UTC)
Definitely seconding you regarding OP's comments on FAF.

OP, you have my kudos for aiming to resolve this peacefully and without any hard feelings, given everything that's gone down so far. I truly hope both of you are able to walk away from this amicably and a little wiser.

Unrelated but I do hope you consider raising your prices, too. I can't believe you did that six-view reference in just 6 hours, holy cow.

Edited at 2018-08-25 07:33 pm (UTC)
drowninginbooks
Aug. 26th, 2018 02:40 am (UTC)
thank you to everyone who has communicated and helped. i wanted to share that Rayd and i are communicating well at this time and i look forward to being paid before the end of the month, however, at this time i still am not paid and will maintain broken trust until I receive 60 dollars.

I did not know this community support was available until a friend let me know. thanks to everyone who helps in communications when it is messy between artists and buyers
celestinaketzia
Aug. 26th, 2018 10:08 am (UTC)
Whether it's a month or even longer down the line we're here to help you, and don't hesitate to reach out to us.
drowninginbooks
Aug. 29th, 2018 10:43 pm (UTC)
minna-san

thank you for helping to communicate with the user. they have today paid me 60.00, which went right into rent.

i only intended to warn other artists to be careful. this helped repair a broken communication and some humanity. thank you.

i was not expecting to be paid, even partial ; the agreement before was 100.00, so i have money still to make for rent. however, the 60.00 has made this months rent actually possible and i am still surprised i have the efforts of online artists community to thank. sincerely, thank you .

i know this is not a platform for sharing fund raisers; however if anyone present has any funds available, i am cross posting to FA that i will offer art in exchange for any donations to our recovery fund. we are doing 24 hours care now while adjusting to stroke recovery.

https://www.gofundme.com/mark-quotsimequot-simon039s-recovery-fund

so to clarify ;

the payment has been resolved .

and if you are willing to, donate to our family please. send me a contact on discord at metafang#5754 or FA as Kaivey, and I will make a gift of my own determining based on OCs you send my way. most likely little chibi gifs with sparkles.

all the love in the internet
<3 mori

Edited at 2018-08-29 10:46 pm (UTC)
celestinaketzia
Aug. 29th, 2018 11:12 pm (UTC)
We're so happy to hear you got a resolution! If you could put an edit in your post that it was resolved that would also help!

Good luck to you and your family.
kstormcrow
Aug. 31st, 2018 04:56 pm (UTC)
It's wonderful to hear that this has been resolved. I'm glad that hytyle ended up following through in the end; hopefully it's been a learning experience for future commissions on both ends. Good on both you guys for managing to get things settled amicably even after such a big blowup of a situation.
kell0x
Aug. 30th, 2018 05:54 pm (UTC)
Yikes yikes indeed, I am glad the issue is settled now(?) but please Clients dont block artist to discuss a cancelation of the commission and please pay then back for the work they did in the progress.

Edited at 2018-08-30 05:55 pm (UTC)
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celestinaketzia
Sep. 5th, 2018 10:14 am (UTC)
I'm going to go ahead and screen this, as it's a journal of a personal nature.
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