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What do you think of this situation?

I was looking at an artist's terms of service and they stated they now require customers to provide their ID cards for online commissions. To my surprise, I found five other sellers with similar policies after reading this person's page. Most of them stated they were concerned about getting commissioned by minors and being charge backed.

I feel very wary about scanning my passport or ID for an online seller, and I've read sellers can be liable if personal information they've collected from their clients accidentally gets leaked.

If you were a client, how would you feel if a seller asked you for your ID card?
And if you are a seller, what might you do to protect yourself from doing business with minors? What would be some safer and less intrusive options?

This topic came up several years ago (https://artists-beware.livejournal.com/861456.html) and might help with the discussion.

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Beware: Kays_Creations

WHO: https://twitter.com/Kays_Creations

WHERE: Twitter

WHAT: A premade husky fursuit tail

WHEN: 02/03/18

EXPLAIN: I saw Kay tweeted about a few premade tails that were for sale. The husky tail matched a fursuit head I have currently and I expressed my interest in it. She was very quick to respond to me and I sent my payment, during that time I also won originally a fursuit tail but requested to switch it to paws since I was buying a tail from her. She was ok with the change and I sent my reference sheet for the character, I wasn't in a hurry for it so I agreed with shipping both items together assuming they would both be done by BLFC (which is in May). So I left it at that until April, I saw she was tweeting about bringing finished commissions to BLFC and I asked her if it'll be possible to have her bring the items to the con. Kay stated she would try to bring it with her, I didn't bring it up again until April 30th. She never responded to my messages since then, I messaged her after BLFC requesting her to mail out the tail on Jun 15th. Kay was tweeting about how she was in a car accident after the con and was in the process of moving, so I waited the 26th to ask her about a refund. I did get impatient about it and filed a dispute, but I've waited two months since her last response to my messages. I gave her until the 11th of July before escalating the dispute to Paypal. Right now the last message I sent her was requesting a refund since I know that disputes will ding your account and as someone who also takes commissions. I know how important it is to be able to access Paypal. I know she's activate on her main account and is ignoring my requests for a refund. I've been very patient giving her time to respond since I knew she was busy with moving, but I feel like I'm being ignored. I want to give her the benefit of the doubt but I feel she is very unprofessional.

PROOF: https://imgur.com/a/6oYd1jS
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Beware: Sanny

WHO: Sanny

WHERE: FurAffinity - http://www.furaffinity.net/user/sanny/ (NSFW)

WHAT: $100 for 2 YCH gifs

WHEN: Payment was agreed upon and sent on December 26, 2016.

PROOF: The agreement and the PayPal invoice.

EXPLAIN: I commissioned Sanny for 2 YCH gifs that he was offering for $100: Example(NSFW). I usually check in every month or so to see if progress is being made, and for the first month, he told me "it's getting there." After seeing him post some more commissions and then advertise daily stream commissions, I decided to check in again the next month and was told that it's a slow process, but it's still happening.

A little later, he messaged me back with the first preview and I approved it, but had him make a slight change a few days later, after which he sent me the revised WIP.

After another month or so, I decided to ask a few people who had also commissioned the same YCH to get an estimate of how long it should take, and the responses were anywhere from 2 to 4 weeks. After this, I asked him for another update and was told that there wasn't much to show yet. I was going to ask for a refund at the 5-month mark, but he delivered the first piece right before then.

I asked for a progress update on the second piece 4 months later and was told again that "it's getting there," and after another 4 months I get the WIP for the second image. I haven't heard anything since and he's still posting up more commissions.

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Beware: Athena (the Jackal)

WHO: Athena The Jackal

WHERE: Biggest Little Fur Con 2017
Twitter: http://Twitter.com/athenathejackal
Telegram: @athenathejackal
FA: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/~athena~/


WHAT: headshot Perler bead badge

WHEN: June 4, 2017 - present

EXPLAIN: I realize some of my Twitter photos are out of order and I’m omitting a LOT of our arguing in-between some posts, but feel free to peruse her public Twitter for the full conversation as well as her attitude toward dealing with myself and others.

I commissioned Athena for a Perler bead badge on June 4, 2017 at BLFC. I paid somewhere near $130 in cash, so I have zero paper trail. (A stupid move on my part, I know) At this point I have accepted I will not be getting a refund, and at this point I don’t even know when or if I’ll be getting my badge.

We never really had good contact, but I’m a relatively patient person. As you can see from my Telegram posts, I let months sometimes slide in-between contact with her before trying to get something from her.

On November 16 on Telegram, she said that my badge would be completed by MFF, and then shipped to me after the show. When nothing came about it, I asked again about my badge and on January 11 was told my badge would be done “at the end of next week”.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=13RzS3kgroWv8RZOhmepHr4pBYtPpyO_L

On January 10 on Twitter, she posted a batch of badges she recently completed — mine was not among them. I still have no clue what the size of her queue is, since she doesn’t have it publicly posted, so naturally I get worried.

It takes her another solid TWO MONTHS from the original post to finally come forward about what’s happened to her. On March 15, she starts replying to messages, saying that her PayPal was hacked, and she had a bunch of personal drama going on. I totally get that real life sometimes takes over, and she did show another batch of badges March 31 that were finished. I don’t know how long it takes to make these badges, but I think I have waited long enough.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1-oUSM7y4zAeWTC7_hlrwYpTiLavLuaHa

Little did I know her queue was over 200 people deep by the time I commissioned her at BLFC’17. My commission is “11th from the bottom.”
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1J1h-7LTavLznLvLFpSIXHzML_sYy1mff

She told me on Twitter she was doing badges in order of who’s angrier. I’m not good at being angry, and I haven’t been particularly vocal about her until recently, so apparently people on her queue have been shuffled around ahead of me. Of course, no one knows this because she has no public queue visible anywhere. I told her she should stick to her queue in order of who ordered first, and not jump around.

Due to the insane wait I’ve already had (uninformed on wait due to no public queue) and her saying that she’s doing the badges out of order, I requested a refund. Instead of offering a solution for her to get my refund, she merely showed me the screenshots of her PayPal and bank statement a second time, telling me how she had bills coming up. In order for me to get my refund, she tells me that I have to find someone to take my spot, essentially advertise for her. I’m sorry, but finding my refund is not my job. I told her this, repeated that I wanted my refund, and said I would be taking my business elsewhere. I do not want the thing I paid for. I do not want to advertise for her.

She threatened in a Tweet that she would rather just vanish instead of completing everyone’s commissions.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=16xGdffhNCYBhTubJsy8lh8EjKj_G9Kpj

She told a friend of mine that she didn’t owe me anything because “I didn’t sign a contract.”
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1qXNPGxpGLRCOWAjriz-Q73NeWj3p_yyX
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ENjpL5krhTmkR-VwZGIxliFMRlM_ej-a

It has been clear through her dealings that she will never refund me, nor does it seem like she’ll ever return to posting her Perler badges. She made a post back in all this hulaballoo that says she can make 1-2 badges a day
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1M0IJ6qpuDbKvMkwnKknRY-Xff5n4Vnli
but yet, since March 31, hasn’t posted a single new finished product. A Twitter user pointed me to her Facebook, where I messaged her privately to ask about her queue and my refund. She accepted and saw the message, but didn’t reply, which blatantly told me she’s stealing my money, and probably countless others as well.

I am currently in the process of reviewing my county’s laws about a small claims court case.

PROOF: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1-CRMnWk74TjWb1NF7NtTCujDcfI_HMUz
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Edit: For everyone telling me to refund, i have previously stated that there was no transaction of funds due to me not having all the information. I wasnt going to send an invoice until I had everything i needed first.

So I gad a friend come to me wanting a $90 commission of their character and their GF's character. Sadly, their girlfriend lacks a reference sheet, and is making things very difficult for my friend to get artwork done by me as a result.

My friend was given information that was lacking major important details (namely color information and pattern details, they only inclyded body shape and breast size but didn't provide anything else that was of real importance such as a color pallet, fyr design, hair style, ect...) that he relayed back to me, and in an attempt to make it easier on my friend and save money, I offered to make his partner a reference sheet for the $90 instead. She refused but still wants art drawn of her character and to have her bf pay for it.

I personally dont like the idea of having to charge my friend a fee for not having a reference sheet (it's listed in my ToS to have one or be fined a $5 fee) because his partner refuses to get one made. I want to draw the art because he wants to make it a gift for his partner, but his partner is making it both difficult for him in the sense of giving inproper information/facts about the character to relay back to me, and myself on the matter of "I dont want to be held respobsible for drawing a character wrong because she lacks a reference sheet."

I was trying to be nice and offer an easy alternative that will not only help me, but furture artists who are tasked with drawing this character as well who like reference sheets and make it easier on my friend in the long run.

My problem now that i need advice on, is what do i do when a client wants art of x-character as a gift but their partner is making it extreemly difficult for my client and myself on getting a proper transaction and order to be made? Do I step away and decline the offer and miss a chance on making a sale, or do I try to draw the art and risk an unhappy client as a result of improper information? I've expressed my concerns that this person is making it very difficult on my friend and i, but im ultimately at a loss on what else to do. I've never had to deal with this sort of problem before in a long time if at all where a client wants art but their partner is making a normally easy process suddenly very difficult.

Advice is very much appreciated.

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Beware: Lil-maj

I know that a Character Stealing/Abuse post isn't usually the thing to post here, but i think that this have gone beyond too far that it become a requirement for me to post my issue about it 


WHO: Lil-Maj, qtr1984, Maj2k2, Maj, Maj-Q

WHERE: 

http://www.furaffinity.net/user/lil-maj

https://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=1600436

https://twitter.com/maj2k2

https://maj-q.deviantart.com/

https://inkbunny.net/maj


WHAT:  He has been commissioning pictures involving my character, and claiming ownership of my character as their own, and involving them in NSFW commissions with his Characters, they were posted mainly on Twitter & Pixiv 

& so far, there is no known if he has commissioned many other artists now, since i didn't see anything other than the ones i saw from pixiv/twitter that was drawn without my consent

WHEN:  

https://imgur.com/a/die0MXg

Stolen Character work was posted on 2018 late June I spotted a post on Twitter where the Stolen character was drawn by an artist for the thief, it was also posted on Pixiv by the artist, Solo NSFW, & a NSFW comic involving sexual activities with his other characters

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Beware - Keryu / KeryuOkami / WaterdogWharf

WHO: Otter'n'Daughter (FA) / WaterdogWharf (FA) / Keryu (FA) / KeryuOkami (twitter)

WHERE:

Initially - https://www.furaffinity.net/user/otter.n.daughter/

Later - http://www.furaffinity.net/user/waterdogwharf

Also - http://www.furaffinity.net/user/keryu

WHEN: Payment took place from 6/14/2015 to 3/29/2016, the only visual progress was 11/29/2016 (referenced in emails below)

EXPLAIN:

The overall process started June 2015.

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Beware: CanineKuroki

WHO: Canine Kuroki/Kuroki Yami/HoneyspydeR

WHERE: https://www.facebook.com/CanineKuroki/ http://www.furaffinity.net/user/kurokiyami/ https://www.deviantart.com/honeyspyder 

WHAT: Fursuit partial 

WHEN: Initial contact: July 16th, 2016 First Payment: July 24th, 2016 First Loss of Contact: September 16th, 2016 Second Loss of Contact: December 21st, 2016

EXPLAIN: So, I contacted Yami through Facebook in July to ask for a quote. She responded pretty quickly and all conversation until September was quick, taking no more than a week for replies. She would send occasional WIP photos and I was happy [1]. My first payment via PayPal was on July 24th and the second one was on September 6th [2]. She was fine with how the payment plan was and there were no disputes whatsoever. 

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ARTIST Beware: "AshleyZombie"

Who: AshleyZombie/AshleyZombieArts
When: May 16, 2018 — July 11, 2018
Where: http://ashleyzombiearts.tumblr.com/

What: A finished digital painting for $100

This artist usually gets a positive reputation from her fans and community, so this might seem like a shock. No artist is perfect, and surely no artist is bulletproof. I hope any fans of hers will see reason, and not an intent to do harm. 

This is my story.

About a week ago from writing this (July 1) AshleyZombie canceled my commission because of con booth prep and "personal issues." I asked her to not do this, that I was willing to wait until con season was over and she was ready. But she did not want to hear any of it. She then kept half of the money I gave her for the commission and sent me a terribly done rough draft of the image, which is not what I was paying her for nor do I think it's worth half of the amount she charges for a fully rendered painting with cleaned lines and refined color work [see example here]. I expressly told her I don't agree to these new terms for a half payment, and that because she is the one canceling our project, that she is breaking our contract. She then slapped me with a bunch of horrible terms from her ToS page, which we never discussed beforehand. 

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