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Seeking Advice

Hey. About three months ago, I purchased a custom Dragon design from someone on FA. The cost was only $5 and they were quick to start designing. In December, they started to get quite a bit distant and hardly uploaded to FA. I got a few designs from them and they kept adjusting with newer designs since I couldn't get one I loved (except one which had one thing I wanted changed). The last time I had heard from them was December 20th.

Since the design was only $5, I don't really care about the money. However, this design was something personal to me. I don't want to really use a design I didn't give the full okay on but they aren't responding to me anymore. They've seemed to drop entirely off the planet. As of now, 1/29/2019, they have given me four different designs. Would it be wrong for me to use any of these? I don't know what to do. Any advice on it would be helpful. 


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Subject: Beware: Werewolf-kun

Where:
http://www.furaffinity.net/user/werewolf-kun/
https://twitter.com/werewolfkun
https://werewolf-kun.tumblr.com/

When: August 10 2018

Proof:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/55ckejsexz3sspt/AADNpTopkcnP3rc-ijEk8b1Ma?dl=0

Explain:
While at Furrydelphia I was looking to grab a new badge while waiting in line for the dealer's den to open up one person in front of me recommended Werewolf-kun to do the badge, after looking at what everyone else had to offer I grabbed a full body badge from them.

The next day, me and the person I'm rooming with went into the dealer's den again just to look around and the artist noticed me and said the badge would get done by Sunday which I honestly was exacting based on the last I gotten.

Skipping to the last day and about 30mins until the den was closed, I saw them nearly packed up and asked what's going on with the badge.
Artist said their laminator broke, would have to finish it at home and would put in a few stickers and/or buttons as compensation for the extra wait. In hindsight I should have just asked for it as is and could have it laminated myself.

Little over a week later (August 19th.) the artist got in touch with me on telegram stating they been working like crazy since they got back from the con, didn't think to much of it since my job was doing the same thing. Told me they would have it shipped out starting that Wednesday.

Was able to get a hold of the artist on December 18th however things that where said didn't line up with things mentioned at the con or what little was said on telegram along with the last I checked the school holiday break only lasted till the new year.

At this point giving them five weeks to get the badge done when they said they could have it done by Sunday at the con, failing to ship it out the first time and should have said the badge got damaged when/if it happened. If I didn't pay in cash I would have called my credit card company and forced a refund awhile ago.

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Commissioner beware: Loftyk9

 

WHO: Loftyk9  

WHERE: Tumblr/Fur Affinity  

WHAT: 4 part sketch sequence/ mini comic

WHEN: Nov. 16th 2018 - Jan. 6th 2019

EXPLAIN:  I did a commission for Loftyk9 back in November 16th of 2018; of which hadn't been paid for until January 6th of 2019. Initially they had an error with the payment due to an unstable connection,I had given them time to rectify this error as I had other clients drafts to handle. More hindrances came about, ranging from being in the hospital,handling holiday related expenses and once again running into more transaction errors when reminded of the invoice a month and a half after the commission had been completed. I will openly admit to having handled it poorly on my behalf by not enforcing my pay up front policy; however, having given them more than enough time to have the transaction handled, being promised it would be handled at the moment of being reminded,and finally being told of a similar transaction error or simply getting no response until asked again, their credibility has been damaged and I'm unable to say that they're pleasant to do business with.  

PROOF: Gallery detailing the initial transaction,error and eventual resolving  https://imgur.com/a/afyOXUR

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Commissioner Beware - Lemonadeadopts

WHO

Lemonadeadopts

WHERE:


FurAffinity: https://www.furaffinity.net/user/lemonadeadopts/

WHAT:

4-page multi-panel comic

WHEN:

September 17th — January 2019

EXPLAIN:

Primarily I commissioned Lemonadeadopts back in September after a previous commission. I had received a deadline of October for this one but sadly that was delayed. I questioned the artist about it a few times after that and the days kept getting pushed further and further back before finally when it came to being asked last week (after failing to complete the  commission back on Christmas) as they promised to complete it Monday. They were not in discussion at all and I'm afraid I felt as if I was waiting way too long without any real response so I had to issue a refund.

Following months of asking for updates or any signs of life and only being pushed back more and more and more, I'm a bit exhausted of waiting... I'm tired of attempting to comment or note them to little avail until they say "Hey, my internet was out for x long." But, as an artist myself you don't really need the internet to use most programs or continue drawing. 

PROOF:

https://i.imgur.com/0TIydmg.png (Proof of downpayment / half payment for full price)

https://imgur.com/a/igMIQGy (proof of initial transaction and any updates to reach me by Sunday back in October)

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UPDATE: Artists Beware Closing Date

Howdy guys!

The time has come to say "Goodbye" to Artists Beware on LiveJournal. When Cel opened the website for people to look at you all jumped in with gusto using it! This is great!

Artists Beware will be turning off on LJ on January 31st, 2019.


What does this mean for you? It means that you should get over to artistsbeware.info asap to sign up to the new site if you have not already. Entries here will be locked for commenting, we won't be accepting submissions, etc. Full shut down.

We will NOT be deleting the community, nor the DreamWidth mirror; it'll stand here as additional reference because while we are archiving a large majority of the comm to the website; not everything is making the transition over.

Onward and upward, upward and onward!

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Artist Beware: Onnanoko

WHO: Onnanoko

WHERE:
FurAffinity: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/onnanoko/
Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/Onnanoko
Tumblr: http://onnanoko-artwork.tumblr.com/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/OnnaNoNo
DeviantArt: https://www.deviantart.com/onnanoko
Weasyl: https://www.weasyl.com/profile/onnanoko
Trello: https://trello.com/b/mg2YeGAt/onnanoko-commissions-queue
Further Confusion 2017 - Dealer's Table (Purchase Transaction)
Post-FC2017 - Telegram Conversation (Idea Submitted)

WHAT:

Half-body double-sided digital badge of my dragon character Sabre ($140.00 USD)

WHEN:

January 13, 2017 - Further Confusion 2017 - Commission Paid in full at Onnanoko's Dealers Table via Paypal
March 9, 2017 - 1st Telegram Chat - Established contact. Installed Telegram. Stated that I'd like some time to think about commission details
May 22, 2017 - 2nd Telegram Chat - Officially submitted commissions request details
August 13, 2017 - 3rd Telegram Chat - Asked for status update, message went unread with no response
September 25, 2017 - 4th Telegram Chat - Asked for status update, message went unread with no response
December 30, 2017 - Final Warning with intention to post to artist_beware if no response given in 1 week - no response
September 4, 2018 - Onnanoko updates her Trello page moving my commission from "Queue" to "Completed" with no work performed
January 5, 2019 - Finally followed-through with threat to post to artist_beware after giving free 363-day extension of previous deadline

EXPLAIN:

At Further Confusion 2017 in San Jose, my mate Zaelgolin and I were doing the rounds in the Dealer's Room on January 13, 2017 before coming across the table of Onnanoko who was dealing at the convention. My mate Zaelgolin had previously gotten a badge from this artist a year before through an FA commission and liked it a lot, so he recommended I get one as well. I agreed, and requested a half-body double-sided digital badge of my dragon character Sabre. Onnanoko quoted the price as being ($140.00 USD), which I agreed to, and paid for at her table using Paypal using a Square reader extension on her cellphone. I mentioned that I did not know exactly what I wanted at the time of purchase, and asked if I was able to view her FA gallery once I got home from the con to try to formulate my idea. Onnanoko said this was OK, and recommended I contact her on Telegram once I was ready. I grabbed a business card from her, saw the Paypal receipt come through on my iPhone mail, and I was on my way. Here is a picture of the business card I have from Onnanoko placed with original items I am the only owner of (artist's email address redacted).

On March 9th, 2017, I first established contact with Onnanoko on Telegram after creating a Telegram account and installing the desktop program. I confirmed the purchase details and explained that I would like to view all her posted art first while I thought of an idea, which she was OK with.

On May 22nd, 2017, I re-established contact with Onnanoko on Telegram after viewing all of her posted art on FA and really enjoying it. The conversation with friendly and cordial, but unfortunately this would be the last time she would ever contact me (unbeknownst to me). There was a lot of friendly chit-chat about her artwork that I was complimenting in the middle of this conversation, so I have only supplied the beginning and end of the conversation in my screenshots. This is where I officially provided my detailed request. In all fairness, since I took a while to do this, I consider the clock starting from May 22, 2017, and not January 13, 2017 when my payment was made. This was just due to me being busy with work, life, and other things. I was in no rush to get the commission and was willing to wait patiently. Onnanoko explained that she would be busy with BLFC2017 upcoming, and to contact her after the convention sometime.

On August 13, 2017, I sent Onnanoko another message on Telegram asking for a friendly timeline update. Unlike my last message, Onnanoko never read the message and no response was ever received.

On September 25, 2017, I sent Onnanoko another message on Telegram after not hearing anything for 6 weeks. Again, Onnanoko never read the message and no response was ever received.

On December 30, 2017, I had visited Onnanoko's FA page again and noticed that several previous commissioners all had posted "Shouts" on her page all asking for status updates from years prior, as they were not getting any communication back from her despite having their commissions paid-in-full. I then sent Onnanoko an email to her posted Commissions/Paypal email on her FA page stating with the final warning that I intend to open a Artist Beware post and Paypal Dispute if I do not receive some type of response within 1 week. A week came and passed with no response given. This was really disappointing, as I really did not want to have to resort to going through with this. This is likely the reason why I took an extra 363 days to follow through on my threat, because I really didn't want to have to go through the effort to do so, as well as all the negativity surrounding it. However, with Further Confusion 2019 less than 2 weeks away, I felt it was my moral obligation to warn others about the risk of giving this artist any money. Admittedly, I did not yet perform the official Paypal dispute that I threatened to do in my final email. This I feel is a bit drastic, and I would first like to try the Artist_Beware route in the search for a resolution.

On September 4, 2018, Onnanoko updated her Trello page and fraudulently claimed my commission was finished by moving my commission from a "Queue" status to "Completed" status. It was actually a friend of mine that first noticed the status change, and asked me if they could see what she did. The truth is that I received no contact of any sort from Onnanoko since May 22, 2017. The fact that Onnanoko was starting to fabricate work completions that were never even started was particularly disturbing.

And today, January 5, 2019, I finally followed through on my Artist_Beware posting, just 1-day short of a full calendar year after my communicated deadline. The artist has ruined the working relationship with me so much that a full refund of the ($140.00 USD) I paid her is the only resolution I will accept at this point.

PROOF:

January 13, 2017 - $140.00 USD Paypal receipt for commission - https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4842/39658182993_61b9782185_b.jpg
March 9, 2017 - 1st Telegram Chat - https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4858/39658181953_ded4f49154_b.jpg
May 22, 2017 - 2nd Telegram Chat (Commission request details provided) - https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4821/39658182353_50695157f8_b.jpg
August 13, 2017 - 1st Status Update on Telegram - https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7835/39658182643_7af2d8624b_b.jpg
September 25, 2017 - 2nd Status Update on Telegram - https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7835/39658182643_7af2d8624b_b.jpg
December 30, 2017 - Emailed Artist_Beware Post Warning - https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7924/39658183473_978b511e5c_h.jpg
September 4, 2018 - Onnanoko updates her Trello page fraudulently claiming commission was completed - https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4851/39658184213_8844282090_b.jpg
January 5, 2019 - Took picture of Onnanoko's business card from her table at FC2017 for Artist_Beware post - https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4874/39658183883_58913a7db0_h.jpg

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Beware - UnderTheDarkness

 


UPDATE: UnderTheDakness has since deleted her discord when i asked when i'd be getting my money back over it. I am still working woth paypal to see if i can get a refund.

1/16/19 - She has deleted all her social medias and ToyHouse. All forms of contact are now not available for this person.



WHO: UndertheDarkness  


WHERE: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/underthedarkness/  


WHAT: $5o YCH action  


WHEN: May 15,2018 — present  


EXPLAIN: Given the user has deactivated their FA, I cannot provide images of the YCH I had bought. But sometime in May of 2018 I had placed bids on, and won a YCH from this artist. Over time, I believe I was given only one WIP. Shortly after they had their problems and such and I noticed they weren't speaking with me.


I had asked for an update a month after with a reply of "I will have an update sometime this week". Later I was given an update.


Later on they were doing in stream commissions, which was indeed finished and received, but my prior one was still on the back burner.


Jump to December of last year I learned they were doing refunds, and I was added to their list of the many people for the money they owed me.


Jump forward after 3 weeks from providing refund information to present time, their FA has since been deactivated and I have no other means of contacting this person. I should have opened a refund claim during the window when I noticed it was looking unlikely I'd be getting my art, but being the overly sympathetic understanding person I am it looks like this person has officially ran off with $50 of my hard earned cash.  


PROOF:


Proof of payment: https://prnt.sc/m3b3uv


Asking for a WIP: https://prnt.sc/m3b4al


WiP provided: https://prnt.sc/m3b3z3


WIP Uploaded Jun 24th *NSFW*: https://prnt.sc/m3b5cn


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Artist Beware: Underthedarkness

WHO: Underthedarkness

WHERE: Furaffinity, Toyhouse, Trello.

WHAT: A 40$ full body flat and a 90$ YCH.

WHEN: 05/01/2018 for the flat colours and 05/19/2018 for the YCH until the current date.

EXPLAIN:

I will say in advanced I do not have as much proof of all of this as I'd like, we used to talk over notes for previous commissions but after she invited me to her Discord server we talked over Discord DM's. I never had her added as a friend on there since I could just DM her because I was in her server. While this was going on I had closed our DM conversation by accident as I close ones I am not currently using and only found out about her jumping ship after I went to message her and noticed she removed me from her server (or just deleted it all together.) I cannot open our DM's unless she is a friend or I know her ID which I do not. Everything below is mostly written from memory with rough date estimates.

I used to commission Under a lot and didn't have that many issues outside of her being very slow with commissions (From personal experience and dates I had noticed on her public Trello from other people commissioning her). Recently I had commissioned her for a reference of my persona and she did a really amazing job (I did end up paying her extra money to rush it though as I wanted it done soon) so when I saw she was steadily posting journals talking about how she was desperate for money and opening for emergency commissions I felt bad and had messaged her asking her if I could commission her to do a dragon-taur rendition of my persona. She said she had never drawn one before but she could try. I told her that if it was too hard for her and she ended up not liking it she could scrap it and chose another one of my characters to draw instead. She agreed, I linked her my characters to chose from if stuff went wrong and we exchanged details.

She had been posting a lot of journals still talking about how she needed money and posting YCH's. She was having a hard time selling this one YCH commission I liked a lot but I didn't have the money for. She had reduced it from 100 down to 80 before removing it later, and I ended up messaging her to ask if it sold. She told me no that she didn't think anyone was interested so she just removed her. I asked her if she could hold it till next pay period and she agreed. She told me I could either pay the reduced price or more but it was my choice and I met her in the middle and sent 90$

About a month later she gives me an extremely rough sketch (basically just the body roughly sketched and the top half being the anatomy skeleton shapes) I approved it and she went quiet.

I didn't hear much from her but kept an eye on her journals. She majorly had journals over the next few months talking about breaking up with her ex, losing her job, getting a new job, family problems etc. She kept taking on more commissions, even doing in-stream ones and not really working on her others.

Sometime in October I noticed the chargeback date was coming close and given her history with being slow on commissions and noticing how bad she "needed money" I was worried that she wouldn't get my commission done for a while and messaged her telling her I was sorry and I felt like an asshole but that I had to put my foot down despite knowing everything she was going through but I was going to be needed a refund. She messaged me telling me that she understood and that I wasn't an asshole but that since she had no money it would be a while, but if I gave her another month she would get the art done. I told her I loved her artwork and wouldn't mind waiting but if it went further than that I would have to go down the refund route, she said she understood and we went on. (My mistake as I should have started the dispute then)

Occasionally she'd send me a message telling me she would work on my comm soon, and halfway through the time she started working on the YCH and sent me a sketch. It barely had any work added to it, basically just went over the already drawn outlines and reduced the characters breast size (something I had asked as my character is supposed to have small breast and the YCH by default had large ones) I approved it and she went silent once again.

The date for a month had come and gone, I even gave her a few days longer just in case before I went to Paypal to open a case, I knew I was already too late for the first commission but thought I still had a day or two for the second one (I opened both anyways) and Paypal automatically declined them because of them being outside the date. I knew the only hope I'd get my money back was if I messaged her so I went and messaged her telling her I would need a refund. She said that she thought I would at least give her "till the end of the month" (when I asked for a refund the month before it was midway through the month, not at the end) and that she didn't have the funds but would give me a refund when she could. Not too soon later I saw she had uploaded a journal saying she would be refunding EVERYONE on her queue and that she was depressed and no longer felt like drawing so she felt this would be easier. She said she would be looking at how much she owed everyone and would post how much she owed everyone on a public list. She also started "spamming" her TH trying to sell her characters for refunds.

A few days later she posted a journal stating that someone had forced a chargeback on her and she was in the negative so refunds would take longer.

Halfway through December, she sent me a message saying she would be able to give me at least a partial refund in January and I told her I was happy she was keeping me updated and thanked her. She had also moved her refund list to her profile info.

12/30/2018: I was going through my Discord servers and noticed that hers was no longer on my list. I had a sinking feeling and went to check her FA and sure enough, it's disabled. I tried all kinds of methods to try to find our closed chat to no avail, I remembered a user that used to be a friend of hers/ on the refund list so I decided to message them and see if they knew anything/ at least knew her Discord ID so I find our messages.

12/31/2018: I woke up to a message from the said friend and they said they were pretty sure she deleted her discord as it no longer showed them as friends anymore and that she wasn't answering her text but if they found out anything they'd let me know. Before I could respond they then sent me another one saying that Under had blocked them on everything, including Twitter and Instagram and that it was heartbreaking as they were best friends. So I'm pretty sure Under has completely jumped ship. (I have these notes still if screencaps are needed but since it was kinda personal I didn't feel comfortable/ thinking it would be allowed)

I saw that her TH was still active so I left a shout telling her I was appalled and that I would be writing an AB/ trying to go through my bank.

PROOF:
Proof of payment: https://i.imgur.com/6bQZYYc.png
Announcing refunds: https://i.imgur.com/1QIy2fH.png
Chargeback journal: https://i.imgur.com/bN8Q3ZQ.png
Refund list journal: https://i.imgur.com/AiG3nwi.png According to this she owes people in total (including me) at least 1,271$

I honestly somewhat wouldn't mind just having the art completed but in the end, I'd rather just have my money back and be done with it. I'm very upset with her and myself as I knew better than to let it go outside the chargeback date but I did it anyway. I'm thinking about contacting my bank to see if there is anything that can be done from other transactions I've had with her but even then it won't add up to the amount she owes me.


Edit: I had a user on Furaffinity who is also involved with this whole debacle message me on FA because apparently Under forgot to remove them from their friendslist and they were still able to access her ID so I was able to retrieve my messages! I had actually screwed up in how much she owed me because I had forgotten that I had commissioned her for another full-body in-between the taur one and the YCH that she completed. The taur one she actually charged me 50$ to cover the fee so she actually owes me 140$ I also screwed up on the timeline as well because she gave me a WIP of the YCH BEFORE I asked for a refund, not during the month I gave her to do the work before asking for it.

Proof:

New Paypal transaction cap: https://i.imgur.com/mZ87x9g.png

Messages: (Warning in advanced, some of the images below are NSFW. I will mark which ones. I also cut out the parts of the convo which are literally nothing but me sending references and the other commission she did complete but I can screencap those if the mods would like me to.)

Discussion of the first piece: https://i.imgur.com/CPy9e2C.png
(Context, she's offered to do art for people who buy her adopts she wants via journal in the past. I've bought her two before in exchange for art and I had offered again when she was wanting a shark girl and since she wasn't sure she offered to just let me commission her normally.)

Discussion continued: https://i.imgur.com/9MQuBFw.png

Her sending WIP of taur piece: https://i.imgur.com/itbpqTX.png Nsfw for artistic nudity.
(Context, when I say slot it was because she had a journal open for emergency commissions because she needed money and she kept advertising the last slot she had open so I wanted to nab it to help, that was the commission she ended up finishing.)

Her completing previously mentioned piece and discussion of YCH: https://i.imgur.com/9mxd6si.png Nsfw for artistic nudity.

YCH picture (NSFW): https://imgur.com/7lJEcbI

Discussion of YCH continued: https://i.imgur.com/VkpgCbn.png NSFW

Discussion of YCH continued 2: https://i.imgur.com/RMFZAZK.png NSFW

Asking for an ETA since I hadn't heard from her in four months: https://i.imgur.com/4GI15ho.png NSFW

WIP she gave (NSFW): https://i.imgur.com/dDOAs4K.png

Asking for a refund: https://i.imgur.com/Ag58rdr.png (Nsfw)

After giving her a month asking for the refund again/ final messages: https://i.imgur.com/kvMFF4U.png


If the mods need me to screencap anything else or censor anything please do let me know!

Edit 2: After sending in a ticket on PayPal I received a reply saying
Dear [Legal name],

Thank you for contacting PayPal.

If you did not open a dispute within the timeframe indicated on the transaction details, you aren’t covered by PayPal Purchase Protection. However, you can still file a report online through the Internet Crime Complaint Center, or IC3.

The IC3 was established as a partnership between the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and the National White Collar Crime Center (NW3C) to serve as a means to receive Internet related criminal complaints.

The IC3 accepts online Internet crime complaints from either the actual victim or from a third party to the complainant. They will process your complaint if they receive accurate and complete information from you. When filing a complaint, provide the following information:

Your name
Your mailing address
Your telephone number
The name, address, telephone number, and Web address, if available, of the individual or organization you believe defrauded you.
Specific details on how, why, and when you believe you were defrauded.
Any other relevant information you believe is necessary to support your complaint.
You can file a complaint with the IC3 at www.ic3.gov.

To learn more about PayPal Purchase Protection, go to www.paypal.com and click Security at the bottom of the page.

It is my pleasure to assist you. Thank you for choosing PayPal.

Sincerely,
Lavanya
Protection Services Department
PayPal

Copyright © 1999-2019 PayPal. All rights reserved.

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