?

Log in

No account? Create an account

Previous Entry | Next Entry

Things People Say To Artists...

And commissioners as well...

I hope this is allowed....
I am trying to compile a list of things people have said to artists and commissioners that have a negative view/stance on various subjects surrounding art. Mediums, pricing, marketing, art itself, methods, etc.  Anything and everything, even if it seems minor. What arguments have you seen out there?
Please number/point if you have more than one to share.


Examples of what I'm looking for:
-Digital is worth more than traditional.
-Art isn't a real job. (Everyone knows this one)
-Digital art is cheating.
-Patreon is a scam/paywall.


Variations on the same thing and details are welcome because sometimes it can add another dynamic to the opinion that must also be tackled.

Community Tags:

Before commenting, please read our Community Rules.
Do not go after persons posted about here, by leaving comments on their art pages.
If you have been posted about, please read I've Been Posted on Artists_Beware, Now What?

Comments

( 203 comments — Leave a comment )
Page 1 of 5
<<[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] >>
mpd_84
Dec. 15th, 2016 10:48 pm (UTC)
Stuff like "But I can't afford that!" or "Why do you charge so much? This other artist doesn't change that much!" ?

okojosan
Dec. 15th, 2016 10:54 pm (UTC)
Traditional takes more skill than digital and is therefore worth more is one I've seen.
greenreaper
Feb. 12th, 2017 07:49 am (UTC)
Well it is! :-p

Actually, I would say it tends to take more time, and is therefore likely to cost more, all other things being equal. Of course, they often are not equal - maybe you don't have your computer/tablet around but do have traditional materials, or vice versa, or just want to work in a particular medium today…
(no subject) - Isotope Cross - Feb. 19th, 2017 05:35 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - greenreaper - Feb. 19th, 2017 09:08 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - ginkaruja - Feb. 19th, 2017 01:15 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - greenreaper - Feb. 19th, 2017 02:24 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - ginkaruja - Mar. 5th, 2017 08:44 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - greenreaper - Mar. 5th, 2017 09:15 pm (UTC) - Expand
vauvakolibri
Dec. 15th, 2016 11:01 pm (UTC)
1. "I can offer you 1000 points/coins/fake money (that'll convert to 1€ of actual money [except you can't actually convert it to real money] when your TOS says you only take real money) for this 50€ commission, why don't you take it??"

2. "Only part/work that goes into art is the actual final drawing, any sort of mental work/preparation/studies/thinking isn't actually work/doesn't happen, right?"

Also almost everything in here:
https://twitter.com/crappyclient
kayla_la
Dec. 15th, 2016 11:30 pm (UTC)
"If you really loved art, you'd make it for (me) free!"
whoop_zi
Dec. 15th, 2016 11:44 pm (UTC)
-"The fact that you don't give your friends discounts/free commissions is messed up"
-"Drawing for a fandom is not a real career and should not be treated as such"
-"Setting the prices you want to for your art is horrendously illegal in all forms, horrible, terrifying, and unethical" (Actual quote, I shit you not)
-The furry fandom is for networking so you should work for pennies because everyone in the fandom is your friend(because real friends want you to work for pennies, right)

These were all said to me by the same person. They also compared charging a high price for art to rape, and called me a child for civilly disagreeing with them. A real gem.

Edited at 2016-12-15 11:49 pm (UTC)
ithinkdirt
Jan. 10th, 2017 07:10 pm (UTC)
I know this response is nearly a month since you posted but I have to share I am terribly amused at TERRIFYING

it's TERRIFYING

they wake up in the middle of the night, heart pounding, sweaty, terrified
(no subject) - whoop_zi - Jan. 10th, 2017 08:09 pm (UTC) - Expand
timelapsedecay
Dec. 16th, 2016 12:01 am (UTC)
How about critique from a client that is more an insult than actual, applicable critique?

"It looks like you fell asleep halfway through drawing this, lol" is an actual quote, said to me. In the six years since, I've never forgotten it. It was the most insulting feedback I've received.
kayla_la
Dec. 16th, 2016 12:03 am (UTC)
The most obnoxious thing about people saying stuff like that is that they -will- claim if you're upset, it's because you can't take critique/criticism. They can't tell the difference between just plain rudeness and critique.
(no subject) - timelapsedecay - Dec. 16th, 2016 12:26 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - jedinewt - Jan. 23rd, 2017 10:15 pm (UTC) - Expand
koulagirl666
Dec. 16th, 2016 12:18 am (UTC)
1. "If you can do it for your internet friends, why not do it professionally and make a real career?"

2. "It's really easy money though, my cousin's girlfriend makes $2000 a week on etsy, you should just do that!"
whoop_zi
Dec. 16th, 2016 12:36 am (UTC)
Oh boy, I love when people tell me that. Non-artists(particularly older adults) love to tell me to "just work for Disney" when they learn I have an animation degree. Just walk in to Disney and get you a job! Who knew it was that easy?
(no subject) - amocin - Dec. 16th, 2016 06:24 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - kadaria - Dec. 16th, 2016 03:35 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - mistresswolf - Dec. 16th, 2016 12:24 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - martes - Dec. 16th, 2016 05:20 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - synviver - Dec. 17th, 2016 01:04 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - kestral_kitsune - Dec. 16th, 2016 11:12 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - thejackaolf - Dec. 17th, 2016 12:05 pm (UTC) - Expand
meeka_meerkat
Dec. 16th, 2016 01:28 am (UTC)
Never said to me, but I see these quite often

"Can you make it look like ___'s style?"
"I wish I had the money!"
"I love/want this but I'm broke right now!"
"Looks similar to ____"
celestinaketzia
Dec. 16th, 2016 01:30 am (UTC)
"For that price I don't think I'm getting a lot."

"You charge X for a A x B size image? Wow, my friend charges Y. I think you overcharge."

"Artist B charges half the price you do."

All things I've gotten in my years working this fandom.
tiana_silvery
Dec. 16th, 2016 01:33 am (UTC)
  • Why don't you make art for free? You can't draw or just too proud?


  • Digital art has no soul in it.


  • Digital art in nothing compared to traditional, in digital computer does all the work for you.


  • Wait, you've used a ruler in this traditional piece? Cheater!


Edited at 2016-12-16 01:33 am (UTC)
sacch
Dec. 16th, 2016 01:34 am (UTC)
Opening commissions and someone immediately going out of their way to say "I would but I don't have money/I can't afford it." Bonus if they include reasons why that I never asked for in the first place, that may or may not be pretty personal.
sbneko
Dec. 16th, 2016 01:37 am (UTC)
Edit: Sorry, didn't meant to reply to you!

Not a quote, but I've had it happen a couple of times where people seem entitled to more then the commission. Time, personal feelings, etc. For example, if I no longer feel comfortable working with them, they'll use commissioning me as a reason, "I spent x amount on you", to tell them why/say my feelings, or say I -have- to work with them because they pay me.

Edited at 2016-12-16 01:38 am (UTC)
(no subject) - sacch - Dec. 16th, 2016 01:38 am (UTC) - Expand
(Deleted comment)
laughsatthunder
Dec. 16th, 2016 01:58 am (UTC)
I get that so often on my fursuits.
I had another maker send people after me for making the same species as their fursona, claiming it looked exactly like it since I used the same colors as any one of them would have in nature. Such a waste of time.
eski
Dec. 16th, 2016 01:54 am (UTC)
I have a really good one that involves a watcher (not client) chastising me deeply for painting a religious symbol in a commission. Would that be on topic? It was pretty... special.
ginkaruja
Dec. 16th, 2016 02:56 am (UTC)
Sure!
(no subject) - eski - Dec. 16th, 2016 03:14 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - Treveyon20 - Dec. 16th, 2016 03:36 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - celestinaketzia - Dec. 16th, 2016 03:42 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - Treveyon20 - Dec. 16th, 2016 03:59 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - vauvakolibri - Dec. 16th, 2016 05:39 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - eski - Dec. 16th, 2016 03:26 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - whoop_zi - Dec. 16th, 2016 03:44 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - vauvakolibri - Dec. 16th, 2016 05:34 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - amocin - Dec. 16th, 2016 07:05 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - eski - Dec. 16th, 2016 03:31 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - thejackaolf - Dec. 17th, 2016 12:13 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - talentedfool - Dec. 16th, 2016 08:48 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - utunu - Dec. 22nd, 2016 06:59 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - eski - Dec. 22nd, 2016 09:18 pm (UTC) - Expand
laughsatthunder
Dec. 16th, 2016 01:55 am (UTC)
Oh god don't get me started.

"It's cute but you're asking too much for it."
"The price is too high, the materials don't cost that much!"
"That looks like my fursona" (On a very generic work, like an all black wolf with yellow eyes).
"That looks different from [older work here]."
"Can I buy it for ________?"

Recently I had someone win an auction of mine, then tell me they couldn't pay the reserve price OR their highest bid, then told me "I think your work is worth $300." It's been killing me since. I blacklisted them and told them not to bid if they cannot afford to pay and they just gave me backhanded compliments such as, "You'll have no issues re-selling it for $300."

Also, as of late I've had a person give me critique on everything. I don't know why and I don't have the heart to block them. It's not that I don't mind critique but it's so unnecessary and it ruins my mood. They asked to see my fursuit designs and individually told me how I could change each one to their liking. Now they've been commenting on my photos or messaging me in private about how the anatomy could have been changed, the most mind boggling one was that a toony fursuit I made didn't look realistic enough. Really. Not even regarding the species, they just wanted to tell me it wasn't good enough for them personally.

Nitpicking here I also don't like it when people ask me to trade. No, I'm not going to trade with you, you've only made one fursuit before and I don't need an "art bundle". They usually get REALLY angry when I politely decline anyway.
meeka_meerkat
Dec. 16th, 2016 03:40 am (UTC)
Just block them and don't look back! Think how good you'll feel when all those comments stop.
(no subject) - mistresswolf - Dec. 16th, 2016 12:36 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - woofsteps - Dec. 25th, 2016 02:44 pm (UTC) - Expand
bornesb
Dec. 16th, 2016 02:29 am (UTC)
From artist to commissioner:

"Sorry I haven't been able to do X, I [seriously long explanation about exactly why they couldn't do it that is probably personal.]"

I can see how personal transactions might be a little hazy on where the personal/professional barrier is, but 90% of the time I just want art in exchange for my money. I don't need your personal life in my inbox. You should update on if something is wrong or will take a while but "due to personal issues" is all I need. It shouldn't be longer than 1-2 sentences.

This rarely happens to me anymore but when it does it's like the artist felt they had to write a whole novel to explain themselves. You don't need to explain yourself. Just tell me when it will be done, or give me a refund.

In a similar vein, artists who refuse to... refuse service.
If you (as an artist) don't like a customer or their request for whatever reason, or are not sure you can complete the art... DON'T TAKE THE COMMISSION.
I'm not badgering anybody to do anything. If you don't like me, cancel the commission and give me a refund. Dang, if you just hate me make up some lie about "Sorry, something came up and I am unable to take your work anymore. Here's a refund."
Done, case closed. Some people will be ticked about it but it's easy to move on.

Instead, what quite often happens is an artist doesn't want to do work for whatever reason but doesn't cancel the work either so just sits on it for months and months and has effectively made situations worse. Whenever updates are asked, it's empty platitudes about "Sorry I couldn't do it. I'll do it this weekend/tomorrow/some day that never comes."

I've had artists cancel on me before. I didn't agree but I get it and I respect that. But the artists who just sat on it because they felt uninspired or didn't like what I said or whatever I have held a grudge against for a really long time.

Sorry that last one was a little more of a vent, but it's not one specific line they say, really.

Edited at 2016-12-16 02:31 am (UTC)
bornesb
Dec. 16th, 2016 02:35 am (UTC)
In the same vein, commissioner to artist:

"Oh I can't pay yet because of [extensive list of reasons]."
or
"I wish I could afford this but we just...[journal entry about current state of finances]."

Brevity is best.
(no subject) - sbneko - Dec. 16th, 2016 02:35 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - bornesb - Dec. 16th, 2016 02:51 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - sbneko - Dec. 16th, 2016 02:55 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - bornesb - Dec. 16th, 2016 02:58 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - laughsatthunder - Dec. 16th, 2016 02:54 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - bornesb - Dec. 16th, 2016 03:02 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - vauvakolibri - Dec. 16th, 2016 04:21 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - scamps - Dec. 18th, 2016 08:38 am (UTC) - Expand
Page 1 of 5
<<[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] >>
( 203 comments — Leave a comment )

Profile

A_B icon
artists_beware
Commissioner & Artist, Warning & Kudos Community

Community Tags

Powered by LiveJournal.com