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Artist Beware: 0cean/Loreisle

WHO: 0cean/Loreisle

WHERE: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/0cean/
http://www.furaffinity.net/user/loreisle/

WHAT: 5 colored digital pictures.

WHEN: Aug. 17th

PROOF: Proof of payment.
Proof of agreement to her terms.


EXPLAIN: So originally I bought a sketchbook commission slot from the artist for $100 back in October of 2015. After paying for the sketchbook I had given her a list of my characters I wanted in the book and choosing a book we both like I made sure to keep a somewhat constant communication with her. Eventually the artist went through a huge rough patch that including moving and a few more personal things. This delayed my commission severely, but I was more that understanding. I did check in with her every so often and was kept up to date. (1, 2, 3, and 4.)

Eventually I did receive my sketchbook, but since it wasn’t everything promised in the original agreement that artist offered me 5 digital color pictures and I accepted. I gave my first four back in August of this year and later gave the fifth a little while later. Since giving my ideas I’ve kept in contact and check the status once in a while. (5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, and 11.)

For the last few months the artist has been doing multiple ych’s and getting them done in a few weeks. One of which I myself bought and had before any of the five pictures. (12) I try to be patience and not rush artists when I commission them, but it just upsets me to see others get their art a few days later where as I’ve been waiting months.

Honestly a beware on this artist is really the last thing I wanted to do. She was one of the first I ever commissioned and has always been pleasant to work with whenever I do. Not even sure if this will even count as a beware. As of now I have one out of the five and have been told the others have been sketched out. (13 and 14)

Current Mood: pointless

UPDATE 12/2/2016: Artist has uploaded second picture of the list. http://www.furaffinity.net/view/21886371/

UPDATE 12/28/2016: Okay so I doubt anyone will see this update. I submitted an update post to the mods and am waiting for approval, but in the meantime I have something new that came after I submitted said update. I finally managed to a reply from 0cean and this is what I get.

Firstly I want to say this may just be me, but the whole note came off as entirely rude. I also want add that this reply came after I had to track her down on a DA account she did have listed anywhere. She did even respond to the pm there, but to one I sent a week ago on FA. So after not hearing anything for almost a month I get a rude note.

If that isn't bad enough I found she was very active on this new account doing free art stream, adopts, art trades, and personal art. Funny thing is that nowhere on any of her account do it mention lost programs in fact her accounts haven't been active in almost 4 weeks. Clearly if she was active there she could have done some kind of update. I get everyone has a life, but clearly she had the means of updating people.
[Misunderstanding]
Edit: So little edit to my last update. I go to her DA to find this journal. So yeah wow, she claims I'm stressing her out and trying to rush free art. So to clear a few things up it's not free art. As this beware stated I paid for a sketchbook commission that was supposed to include so color sketches which were none, so she offered the five drawing as replacements. Just that, so yes technically I did pay for them.

Second maybe her definition on rushing and mind are different. Since I accepted her offer back in August I'm messaged her once a month excluding Nov. about updates. I guess it could count as two for this month since she did respond to my FA note so I messaged her on DA. Even so that 4 times in the span of about 4 and a half months. Not what I would call rushing. I understand art can take time and I'm very patience. When I note her I only ask for updates on where she is, simple as that. At this point I'm tempted to say fuck it and write this one off as a lost. Definitely don't recommend her and I can imagine I'm blacklisted from commissioning her.


In response to my last edit about the Journal it seems it wasn't about me. She just happened to have posted it about people from an art stream shortly after I asked for and update. Huge mistake on my part there.
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mortymaxwell
Nov. 30th, 2016 09:30 am (UTC)
Nice artwork, bad job following through on commissions and that no refunds ever rule she included in her notes is pretty sketchy. If someone cancels midway through a commission, there should be at least a partial refund. She seems like a problematic artist to do business with.
Treveyon20
Nov. 30th, 2016 11:40 am (UTC)
I wouldn't say she problematic. This is the first problem I've had with her ever.
timelapsedecay
Nov. 30th, 2016 07:20 pm (UTC)
I would say the existence of this beware, or the issue to begin with really, is evidence of a problematic artist. A "No refunds" clause is one of the biggest red flags there is- it's not even legal, to boot.
I absolutely recommend not commissioning an artist who has a refunds clause of any kind that does not allow for equal compensation (Such as, "You forfeit a refund if you are rude", for example)

It is good to hear you had good experience up until now, but no matter how pleasant the artist is and how good the business has been, a "no refunds" clause is always bad news.
mortymaxwell
Dec. 8th, 2016 02:29 pm (UTC)
My feelings on whether or not she is a "problem artist" aside... I am of the opinion a no refunds clause is a disaster waiting to happen. I have seen pleasant and reliable artists get in huge trouble because they went no refunds on their customers. And I have seen artists who wanted clients lose business, because their no refunds policies frightened off potential customers.

It looks like your artist could use the money, because she keeps piling on new work. If she reads this AB, I would encourage her to reconsider her no refunds clause and to create a Terms of Service. I couldn't find a TOS on her page. Dropping "oh by the way, I don't do refunds" in a note, after a customer has agreed to a commission, is not a good way to do business. If I had an artist spring a no refunds clause on me, I would cancel our commission.
Treveyon20
Dec. 8th, 2016 06:13 pm (UTC)
I do understand where you're coming. While I have never seen a tos for her I have commissioned her a few times and the thing about no refunds was never mentioned until I asked about a sketch book commission, so I'm just speculating that clause only pertained to the sketch commission itself and no other commissions. Though I could be wrong.

Edited at 2016-12-08 06:14 pm (UTC)
lavenderpandy
Nov. 30th, 2016 10:56 pm (UTC)
I would highly recommend that you ask to see the sketches as proof that work has been done. I've seen this all too often where artist say they've put in work on something but haven't done any work at all and say this just to get you off their back.

Sorry that you are going through this and hope that this can be resolved.
timelapsedecay
Dec. 3rd, 2016 08:34 pm (UTC)
Just so you know, your Update link goes to a 403 Forbidden error! I tried to find it on the artist's pages with no luck.
Treveyon20
Dec. 3rd, 2016 08:57 pm (UTC)
That's odd because it work for me, but I'll edit it. Also it should be the first one on her page.
celestinaketzia
Dec. 3rd, 2016 08:58 pm (UTC)
It happens. We're not sure why, but when folks link directly to FA's image server it won't always show everyone the image.
Treveyon20
Dec. 29th, 2016 09:39 pm (UTC)
Hey I know deletions are not allowed, but the part after the edit wasn't referring to me it seems. So I wanted to know would deletion of that part be acceptable since it seems I misunderstood who she was talking about?
celestinaketzia
Dec. 29th, 2016 09:44 pm (UTC)
Feel free to make another edit to clarify, and put the original segment under a spoiler tag.

Also if you need moderator assistance, you don't have to comment directly to one of us. We are notified of all comments made to the community. :) It helps us to parse context for your request.
timelapsedecay
Dec. 3rd, 2016 09:20 pm (UTC)
Ohhh, I see, I was looking for a screenshot of an actual list or something! A misunderstanding of the edit on my part. I understand what I'm looking for now, but thank you for changing the link nonetheless :)
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