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Beware: Moneychan/Flamedragonkitten

WHO: Moneychan/Flamedragonkitten

WHERE:
http://www.furaffinity.net/user/moneychan (Main account- Disabled) EDIT: Re-enabled for now.
http://www.furaffinity.net/user/flamedragonkitten/ ('Owed Artwork account' Barely used and contact was mainly through main account)

WHAT: 1,000$ 6 page, ych comic.

WHEN: Started on 03/11/2015 and is still ongoing.

PROOF: Posted down below.

EXPLAIN:

March 11th-16th, 2015
I saw Moneychan was doing a really nice 'Strip gamer YCH', the quality of the piece was a ladder auction and she has wrote what the tiers were in another journal. (Which has since been deleted) The highest tier was full coloured and set at an auto-buy of 1,000$. She stated in the description if the bidding went over 500 she would take payment plans. I won with a bid of 600$ (I'm not 100% sure but I believe the tier was flat coloured sketch) and she responded telling me to note her with refs and such. I sent her a note with character references and my Paypal and discussed a payment plan with her. She told me she would send me two invoices and I could pay half now and send the other half within the 2 month limit. I sent her my first half (300$) and she confirmed receiving it.

Original ych with bids and description: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/15964028/ (nsfw)
Following notes: https://gyazo.com/0792305ae5e0028aed2a63eafb7f348f https://gyazo.com/577d39a02c062e7a86f0a1880e495b24

April 2nd, 2015
After discussing it with my partner at the time I decided I really wanted to get the highest tier of quality so I noted her asking if she would be okay with sending me another invoice so I could have the highest quality. After some confusion with the invoices she sent another invoice and I paid it. (400$)

Following notes: https://gyazo.com/e4c2358a938de11e2cdf7a9711e7cf95 https://gyazo.com/6778bbcf0ff9515a78955be79dc0657d https://gyazo.com/67500cb11b2d4f4f512b563a45026dec https://gyazo.com/61b3dbb654c5c4a2f596dc8e994c360d

April 30th, 2015
I paid the last invoice (300$) and she replied telling me she would start on it soon along with her other comic.

Note: https://gyazo.com/22d3426cf14b5dbce30e59d32e402d96

March 28th-30th, 2015
I sent her a note to her 'owed artwork' account because I thought she would want to speak on that one asking when she would be working on my commission. It went unread despite being active and she was also active on her main account so I thought I would note her there as well. She replied telling me that she would start on it when she got a chance and that there we're two comics ahead of me as well.
Following notes: https://gyazo.com/a044a80060fdf66dc14276156c2d356f https://gyazo.com/62ed06459bdb46e7c138a4778a2dbf06

I don't have the dates for this as not only is her account disabled but I think the journals were deleted anyways but not too long after our conversations she had posted a journal saying that due to not being able to pay for her internet bill she wouldn't have it for a few months and wouldn't be on until fall.

October 5th, 2015
I didn't see her active online again until around October but in September my partner at the time and I had a 'falling out' and we're no longer together and I didn't want to have my character in a comic with his anymore. I noted her asking if she could change the male character to my pet's sona and explained the situation to her. She replied telling me that she was sorry about what had happened and told me she was already into the flat colouring stage (I hadn't received any WIPs or news that she was even working on it) and that to change the character would take longer. I told her that I didn't mind waiting and that I would really like for her to change the character. She replied telling me that she appreciated my patience and would do it.

Following notes: https://gyazo.com/86a5f2513886b5957b641539e8b799ff https://gyazo.com/8b57800096120c51c91a825c6ff7bdf5

January 26th, 2016
I didn't hear from her at all but saw that she had been taking commissions, posting owed artwork (a comic included) and doing personal artwork over the last few months so I decided to note her on her 'owed artwork' account as she was most active on that one, asking if she had had any updates and that I was in no rush since she had to redraw the male character but just wanted to check in. She responded saying that 'the comic commissions are the last things on her to-do list' and that she had 5 comics in total to complete. Last time I had spoke to she had told me she had only two ahead of mine and as I said above she had already posted a comic since then so I asked her about that. She responded saying 'it is two, yours and another commissioner' and that the others we're from another strip auction and that she was including her own personal comic as one.

Following notes: https://gyazo.com/64a476f33e402e70788d9de528a261c3 https://gyazo.com/1e6119253cd562296907b39bde33f21c

March 30th-31st, 2016
She sent me a note saying that she was working on my comic and was asking about if I had any png's for my (now) mates fursona's tattoo's. I replied to her telling her that I didn't and in a second note asked if she had any WIPs (I assumed she would have since I would think tattoo's would be in the colouring phase) and after sending that one my mate had mentioned that it would be okay for her to just trace over his tattoos so I sent her a third one telling her that as well. She told me that she was nervous about sending out WIPs but she would try to clean them up a bit and send them out as 'she's made me wait so long.' I responded to her telling her I was looking forward to seeing them.

Following notes: https://gyazo.com/fd42978fac50e923e2a5bb3ed7980aab https://gyazo.com/24b9a91e43d4b8087ae96e0f6cedcb6e https://gyazo.com/d7377360c7c9758f78b7d5159fa9e1d5 https://gyazo.com/3087c8b0622c0676b0118b4e1d08093b https://gyazo.com/72c6a1ea0f8043bd4cb57a4f9560e851

April 17th, 2016
I had disabled my page for a few days due to drama and while it was disabled she had posted a journal saying she would be sending out WIPs to commissioners. When I enabled it I sent her a message checking in to see if she tried noting me. She responded saying that it was fine and that she just wanted to note me to tell me she would be clean sketching and line-arting the comic tomorrow. I told her that if she had any WIPs she wanted to send I would love to see them but if not it would be fine. She replied 'kk' and never sent me anything.

Following notes: https://gyazo.com/6693ce191fd42b4e0279b2fc287cd37a https://gyazo.com/6ed6a6dee6a4e070fd355d36ab64fd58

July 17th, 2016
I hadn't heard from her in three months and was starting to get worried. I noted her telling her I needed some sort of physical update as it had been over a year since I commissioned it and three months since I last heard from her. She responded saying that she was sorry and didn't really have any physical proof besides sketches that she had 'barely started on'and that she was finishing all the pinup commissions she had taken and finishing someone else's commission who was ahead of me. Her priority now was mine and Lil-Maj's comic but she was lacking motivation and that they had been just sitting on Sai 'waiting to be done' and asked me if I still wanted to see the sketches. I told her that I would even if they we're just sketches.

She replied with a Dropbox link leading to the first two comic pages very roughly sketched and the second one wasn't even done being sketched out. I was honestly shocking as I was expecting her to at least had all of the pages sketched out as she had not only told me that she was all the way up to colour before I changed the second character but told me she was up to lining even after the character change. I bit my tongue and tried to ignore the fact that she had been lying to me and just told her about how I had a new reference sheet that was in the works that was clearer than my previous one and sent it to her in case she needed it to help with sketching. We talked back and forth about my fursona's markings a bit before this conversation had ended.

Following notes: https://gyazo.com/11e66ad2ceec40ff12675bdac13a91d8 https://gyazo.com/4fc089157fab581f735066a2cdba839e
Sketches she sent me: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/fxxlgs4zgltt3ab/AAC1WO-fMkCUVgR_u9KBB5cda?dl=0 (Nsfw? They don't show any genitals but there are breast outlines and such)

September 19th, 2016
I was updating my commissions list when I decided to go to her profile to ask for an update and to my horror her page had been disabled. I had to dig through my notes to find her other account's name which is still enabled. She hasn't uploaded anything on it since April and last favourited something a month ago. I sent her a note telling her that I was upset that she had disabled her account and that I had to dig to find her other one as she hadn't left any contact information otherwise and told her about all the red flags she was setting off. I told her that I either wanted my commission done by October 31st (my birthday) or a refund as this is getting ridiculous.

Note: https://gyazo.com/41e4e36c0eb71490448b667e7305cdf6

It's now September, 21st and the note has been read but unanswered. I'm honestly very upset about this as this is a large sum of money that I may not get back. I have no idea what to do.

Edit: I publicly tweeted them as they do not have dm's enabled.
"I am once again trying to get into contact with you over the 1,000$ commission I am owed. Please message me on my fa asap."
I also messaged them on DA saying...
"I saw that you read my note and haven't responded and have been active on here as well as twitter so I will message you again here. Please respond with how to plan to correct this as I've been more than fair about it."

Here's hoping.

Edit 2: She responded to me on twitter saying that 'she hadn't been on fa since she disabled it back in June' and that she would Dm me. She dm'd me saying she was sorry about how long she was taking but she was busy with her fulltime job and was trying to finish commissions as quick as possible. I stood my ground and told her that Fa showed she read my message and that I know she is working but I will have to still set a deadline. She understood but asked me to delete my public tweet to avoid drama. I gave her my deadline and deleted the tweet and told her I would be capping it.
Tweet: https://gyazo.com/156138889e14a71f73f52b8e4ba052d5
Messages: https://gyazo.com/33c2175eae24792b48d48259712f3094

I now realize I probably shouldn't have told her about the capping but I was quite aggravated that she claimed she hadn't been on fa when my note had been read. I guess I will have another update by the deadline to whether or not this is resolved.

Edit 3.
I caught her streaming on the 20th and she did personal work for a good while, I came back in a few hours later and saw she was working on the second panel of the comic but she had replaced the hand drawn panel of the video game with a screenshot from a video game. I told her that it rubbed me the wrong way seeing as I paid for every single one of those panels and she replied saying that 'she was only trying to make the comic get done faster but she would redraw it. I later saw her screenshotting a panel from another video game. (Not sure if she was doing it for the comic or something else) She did most of the page but left out my characters wings, horns and piercings so I noted her about it on fa. She told me she was going to do those last.

Her using the game shot for the panel: https://gyazo.com/071c1ac06d04897bd94dfa04600b7dbd
Her screenshotting a different game: https://gyazo.com/7f940db691e291196d5a0c11bcb1f51e
Note: https://gyazo.com/cffbefa443fb8755f42007363fe9d286

It's now the 1st of November and as you can guess, she hasn't done it. I saw that she was streaming last night right before I was going to bed but it was my birthday so I was too tired to drag myself back to my computer to see if she was doing it and just assumed that if she was finishing it I would have woken up to a note from her or something.

I'm honestly aggravated to hell and back so I noted her as nicely as I could possibly managed and went to go leave her another tweet to find out -surprise surprise- She blocked me on Twitter and has now set her Tweet to private. My mate -aggravated as well- has since tweeted at her and will not be removing these tweets.

Note: https://gyazo.com/6359520d46bf1800b6efb8df6739cc6b
Mate's tweets: https://gyazo.com/16954559715fc8c9b84c8b778cfb8529

Final edit:
I woke up to a response from her and recieved the finished comic.
The lineart looks rushed and the detail isn't the same as the example she gave for the Autobuy option but I'm lucky to have received the piece at all at this point. She also threw in a free coloured sketch

Response: https://gyazo.com/572da8cd4d2ac06f991780536b56523e
Comic: (Nsfw)
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/21601732/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/21601741/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/21601753/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/21601762/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/21601786/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/21601808/

Example of what the quality should have been: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/15498244/ (Nsfw)

But anyways I'd like to say this is resolved.
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Comments

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naparum
Sep. 21st, 2016 11:28 pm (UTC)
I remember her being super-active on Twitter since I used to follow her a while back.. Did a little digging and found it here; https://twitter.com/terasuchan

It seems to be being used so you could attempt to contact her there.

EDIT:: SUPER sorry, I think this is a different Moneychan? Mods can screen this comment if needed, I'm a dingus.

Edited at 2016-09-21 11:31 pm (UTC)
celestinaketzia
Sep. 21st, 2016 11:33 pm (UTC)
It appears to be the same person.
kell0x
Sep. 21st, 2016 11:34 pm (UTC)
Thats just Not right.. Did you manage to contact trough Twitter?
mortymaxwell
Sep. 22nd, 2016 12:08 am (UTC)
That Moneychan twitter page has a link to their gallery on DA. I clicked on their DA page and saw they recently added Items I Want To their collection. They appear to be actively favoriting things and the stuff they favorited is commissions they are buying themselves.
ravensmoon666
Sep. 22nd, 2016 01:55 am (UTC)
I cannot help but laugh at the fact that they re-tweeted this https://twitter.com/renegade_roo/status/654329577074855936 on their twitter when they're pretty much doing this to me.

I don't know how I should go about this though. She already blatantly ignored me on furaffinity would contacting her on any other websites do any good?
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houndofloki
Sep. 22nd, 2016 02:46 am (UTC)
Man...it just doesn't seem advisable to me to send someone $1,000 in full upfront. For that kind of sum, I would definitely ask for a down payment/installment system based on wips to protect yourself next time.

If she doesn't respond via Twitter, you might be able to call Paypal and get some of that back - they tend to be more willing to work with people over the phone then through email.

Good luck; I really hope this works out for you.
kattotang
Oct. 2nd, 2016 05:07 am (UTC)
Yeah, I really don't understand her saying "I'll start once it's paid in full" for something with tiers and a payment plan. Like...you could sketch it first...complete it up to the tier that's paid for, then continue with each tier upgrade as more payments come in??
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latiro
Sep. 22nd, 2016 03:09 am (UTC)
Wow.

$1000 for a YCH comic was paid for, and yet Moneychan almost ignored your every attempt at contacting her for an update. And to add further insult to injury, she completely disabled her main account (bad move on her part) and ignored you on her owed art account. That's just awful to hear that OP! :(

Echoing others that you should get in touch with her on Twitter about your comic or refund. And if that doesn't work, call PayPal about it.

Beware well warranted. Goodness!

Edited at 2016-09-22 03:10 am (UTC)
talentedfool
Sep. 22nd, 2016 09:44 am (UTC)
I don't... understand why they lied about having it up to lineart? Either they wanted to sound like they were more productive than they were, or they didn't want to change the character and were trying to make it seem like it'd be more work for them to talk you out of it? I dunno. Or they lost the file or forgot what it was called and started over or something. It just puzzles me a lot, and to be honest, that was probably something you were better off bringing up when they first mentioned it.

I digress, $1000 is a lot of money to lose and I really, really hope things work out for you SOMEHOW because my god, what a sucky situation to be in. :(
kell0x
Sep. 22nd, 2016 10:47 am (UTC)
Thats just Not right.. Did you manage to contact trough Twitter?
mistresswolf
Sep. 22nd, 2016 06:06 pm (UTC)
Yikes! That is horribly disappointing! If I had a $1000 commission to do and it was only 6 pages, it would be the only thing I did until it was done!

Also, it is pretty terrible that she told you she was at the "flat color" stage but months later showed a barely refined sketch.

Beware warranted.
Rhyn Ghye
Sep. 22nd, 2016 09:24 pm (UTC)
Yikes, what a mess. Best of luck to you, I'm interested to see how this unfolds.
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talentedfool
Sep. 23rd, 2016 12:23 am (UTC)
Another comment to address the update, I just? Don't understand her dishonesty. Either she's forgetting things like how much work she's done or when she left FA and what notes she's read (which is bad, she should really keep things in order when it comes to business), or she's just lying. I'd like to give her the benefit of the doubt and say she just forgot but augh.

Also agreeing that I probably wouldn't've deleted the tweet until I had either money or product in my hands, you're a very nice person to have assented to doing that.

Again, trying to give her the benefit of the doubt. But wow, she just has such an odd way of speaking to someone who has paid her A THOUSAND DOLLARS and received nothing. She's not apologetic about just deleting her accounts and leaving you to have to chase her around the internet trying to get in contact with an outstanding four figure commission, she's not apologetic about being dishonest, she's just sort of going glossing over everything and doesn't seem to feel terribly bad about leaving you hanging for so long. Even if I worked a full time job, if someone had paid me a four figure sum for work, I'd be busting my chops in my free time to get it done for them, especially if they'd been waiting as long and as patiently as you had, and ESPECIALLY if I'd just up and left them in the dark and made no attempt to contact them and let them know I was leaving our main site of contact and where to find me.

I really feel for you and I sincerely hope this gets resolved for you, not just because of the money, but also to finally be able to wash your hands of this artist because getting anything out of them seems like pulling teeth.

I can't get over them just leaving FA and not attempting to contact you at all to let you know where to find them lmao. How unprofessional.
spartanwerewolf
Sep. 23rd, 2016 11:16 pm (UTC)
Even if she was all the way up to colour before you requested the character change, that doesnt explain why she's redrawing the entire thing.

All she needs to do is erase the original male character and draw the new one in, and then adjust the background. It's digital, it's a pain to redraw whole characters but you can do it without scrapping the entire project.

I'm guessing she *said* she was on such and thus stage to make it look like she was working on it, but actually hadn't started the thing at all. It explains the lack of WIPs, too.
ravensmoon666
Sep. 23rd, 2016 11:45 pm (UTC)
I believe that she took that as a chance to use it as an excuse to take longer, if I'm being honest. It's easier to say 'well I had to redraw the character' Vs trying to justify as to why she didn't have any wips after 6 months.
spartanwerewolf
Sep. 24th, 2016 12:27 am (UTC)
Even if she was all the way up to colour before you requested the character change, that doesnt explain why she's redrawing the entire thing.

All she needs to do is erase the original male character and draw the new one in, and then adjust the background. It's digital, it's a pain to redraw whole characters but you can do it without scrapping the entire project.

I'm guessing she *said* she was on such and thus stage to make it look like she was working on it, but actually hadn't started the thing at all. It explains the lack of WIPs, too.
straviios
Sep. 30th, 2016 06:22 pm (UTC)
Any luck so far? (or should i ask two weeks/a month later?)
ravensmoon666
Sep. 30th, 2016 06:25 pm (UTC)
I haven't heard anything from them yet sadly but they still have a month so I'm not too worried yet. They did re-enable their main account though.
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