?

Log in

No account? Create an account

Previous Entry | Next Entry

Beware: Peridotkitty


WHO: Peridotkitty http://www.furaffinity.net/user/peridotkitty

WHERE: Furaffinity.net and Skype

WHAT: 42 page comic with a Cover ( $1500/$3150 paid )


WHEN: June2015- Present(March 2016)

PROOF:


  1. All payments

  2. First payment (Jun 14 2015)

  3. Second payment (Jun 28 2015)

  4. Third Payment (Aug 13 2015)

  5. fourth payment(Sep  29 2015)

  6. Incomplete cover work(From Peridotkitty's Trello): [COVER] NSFW

  7. Incomplete comic work(From Peridotkitty's Trello) [COMIC WORK][COMIC WORK 2]


EXPLAIN:

I work on an anthology comic project  with my fiance which is set to be published. Both of us work on comics for this as well as hire other artists. Artist hired receive a retainer fee( I pay this) to start them off before moving forward. With hiring artist we also gather funders to be a part of the comic.

There were three funders for Peridotkitty's comic (names are hidden at mods' request)

Funders were invoiced through my paypal (I work under LLC) and funds were sent to the artist.Payments for hired artist were sent monthly until the full project amount was paid unless the artist failed to produce enough progress in a timely matter at the funders discretion, that progress being a minimum of 2 completed pages per month. Now if certain uncontrollable life situations occured, we are understanding and  funders are notified of what's going on to give the artist appropriate time to recoup and catch up. If the required progression does not occur, then a refund is requested.

Bi-weekly check ups were also required in order to make sure proper progress had been made and to keep the funders happy. Help to the artist for anything was always offered and provided if needed including editing, storyboarding, and scripting.

The Beginning----------------

May 2015-June 2015

Discussion was made with Peridotkitty about the comic and how it would work out through furaffinity and eventually moving to skype.( Sadly,my notes will not appear past 1350 notes but logs are available [1][2])The agreed price was $75 per comic page(total of 42 pages) and a cover for $3150. During this process the idea of funders came about. Three were found and  the retainer was sent on June 14th and a second payment on June 28th [SKYPE LOG 1][CASTING JOURNAL]NSFW

More discussion was made about the comic and the script completion [SKYPE LOG 2] [SKYPE LOG 3]

Sent another payment on Jun 28 [SKYPE LOG 4]


July 2015-August 2015

References of the cast were provided in Peridotkitty's shared dropbox folder for the comic during this time.

Conversations were friendly  but quiet for July as my fiance and I were prepping for Anthrocon. Peridotkitty was contacted a bit about the dropbox progress folder set up for the funders which we shared with them to see the project progression. [SKYPE LOG 5]

Anthrocon came and went and there was little communication regarding the comic until August 6 [SKYPE LOG 6] [SKYPE LOG 7]

Correspondence during this month became harder and I believe this is due to Peridotkitty's Patreon  and her owing a lot more work due to it. I was understanding of this and explained this to the funders.Another monthly payment was sent to her. [SKYPE LOG 8] [SKYPE LOG 9]

No major progress was made to her sketches.

September 2015-October 2015

At this point we became worried. I started to inquire about whether she needed any assistance with her pages.Attempted contact was made and became more difficult.No progress other than the sketches  for the first couple of pages were done and Peridotkitty suggested that her public trello should be linked to the funders to keep their minds at ease. [SKYPE LOG 10][SKYPE LOG 11] [SKYPE LOG 12] [ SKYPE LOG 13]

On September 25th, project structure was being changed where the freelancers were to sign a contract. Peridotkitty read the contact and found it to be fair. There was a tiny error in the contract (Wrong comic title) but was edited. (Contract will not be linked unless requested).Terms of the contract required a minimum of 2 completed comic pages monthly, withholding of monthly funds if progress was unacceptable yet gave the artist a chance to catch up in a timely manner before being fired and requested a FULL refund. PeridotKitty was set to fax the form...but she was told to wait until further notice due to the high cost of collecting faxes from kinkos. [SKYPE LOG 14][SKYPE LOG 15][SKYPE LOG 16]

There was little to no response from Peridotkitty during October regarding the project and the funders were starting to get more agitated .On October 15th, she sent me a message that she had gotten a job which would take away more of her time [SKYPE LOG 17]

November 2015-December2015

During November I hired my assistant Carmel in helping with correspndence with the freelancers. Communication became more sparce and Peridotkitty was spending most of her time doing other commission work and streaming. [SKYPE LOG 18]

On November 15th, I dictated a note to Carmel to send to Peridotkitty seeing as contact with her through skype was becoming a major issue. In the note it was discussed the worry of the funders for the lack of progress and that monthly payments would be withheld until proper progress was made.[CARMEL NOTE 1]

November 18th, Peridotkitty got back to me about withholding funds. During this discussion she also talked about making turnarounds for the characters. (Please note that this is not part of the project but her own doing).  She even mentions that she was still refining the first page of the comic after months. [SKYPE LOG 19]

November 20th, Peridotkitty was contacted again about the contract and the possibility of mailing it.Peridotkitty never provided  the needed information. Afterwards the skype conversation fell silent. Rook dictated to Tia more notes to her on November 27th and two in December. [SKYPE LOG 20][CARMEL NOTE 2][CARMEL NOTE 3][CARMEL NOTE 4]


January 2016-February 2016

Funders were pretty much unhappy with the major lack of progress and were ready to ask for a full refund. Contact was attempted again on January 4th with no response. Another note was dictated for Carmel to send to Peridotkitty stating that this is the ultimatum to keep her job. She was to complete the first 3 pages of the comic by the end of January and the next 3 by the end of February. Peridotkitty got back to me on January 11th and requested color  armor references for one of the character as not having that stopped her progress. [CARMEL NOTE 5][SKYPE LOG 20]

January was a rough month for us due to personal matters and getting the colors took longer than we expected. They were added to the dropbox folder on [January 28th] and because of this she was given more time to work. She had to finish the first 3 pages by the end of Febrauary.But it must be said that during the month of January, all of her sketches for the first 3 pages were not refined as seen in her progress folder and in her trello. Not even inked. Flats were added to the cover but it still wasn't done. Peridotkitty gave more excuses which we tried explaining to the funders...but their patience was pretty much over. [SKYPE LOG 21][SKYPE LOG 22][TRELLO 1: COVER]NSFW[TRELLO 2: COMIC1][TRELLO 3:COMIC 2]

The pressure was on during February and I desperatly tried to get in contact with Peridotkitty. [SKYPE LOG 23]

March 2016
In this time frame of 9 months she added flats to the cover and did incomplete sketches for the first 3 pages. Not a single page was completed.

We decided to terminate Peridotkitty on March 20th and asked for a refend. During this correspondence Peridotkitty kept making excuses that not all of  this was her fault and that blame should also be placed on me . I was patient, I was understanding, and I defended her when talking to the funders and kept them informed of her life situations but the lack of major progress after months was enough.She had the resources to do what she needed to do but didn't. She mocked me for paying in advance, for not having a signed contract and my overall position.The question of a refund was not responded to.

What ensued was the following conversation:
[Firing note 1] Initial termination note

[Firing note 2]Peri's response. She takes little responsibility for not doing the work and adds the blame on me.

[Firing note 3]

[Firing note 4]

[Firing note 5][Firing note 6](Question about refund. Peridotkitty did not address this)

[Firing note 7][Firing note 8]
[Firing note 9]Peridotkitty's attitude quickly shifted

[Firing note 10]
[Firing note 11] Her last response in regards to a journal I made which has nothing to do with this transaction.

[Firing note 12] My last note to her where I cut off communication. I honestly had to step away.

All correspondence has since ceased.
On March 21st I filed a claim with paypal. Sadly only $700 of the money could be disputed.

The claim was [closed on March 23rd] as Peridotkitty told paypal that ALL work was completed up til March and that I was just being an unsatisfied customer.This was through a  phone call and we are requesting an email of what she said to post here.

Paypal did not contact us to hear our side when making their decision so I filed an appeal.

March 24th, our appeal was also closed and none of the money will be sent back.

I am not fully blameless and there are things that should have been handled better. I dont think there's much of a legal standing in regards to the new contract...but that doesn't justify keeping money for work not completed from 3 people.A partial refund would be fine but after her insulting responses towards me I felt that I wouldn't be able to get a decent conversation out of her.

Funders were notified of the loss and have been understanding and I am more than thankful for this. This is a huge lesson learned.I accept any critisim on my part to help me in my dealings in the future.

[EDIT]------------

March 23, 2015

I forgot to add the final note she sent me in response to Firing Note 12

[Firing note 13]

March 25,2016 edit

Firing note 3 above has the wrong link. Correct link is below.

[Firing note 3]

March 26, 2016 update----

Peridotkitty has posted her side of this situation here and on her FA . Apparently her fiance was the one who sent the malicious notes against me (Firing note 9 and onward). Whether I believe it or not is another thing.I have discussed with my fiance the possibility of a repayment plan and she has left a message to her.

"Rook was unwilling to deal with you at all... seeing as how an apology about how you or 'your fiancee' acted at the end; I'm sure everyone here can understand why. I wonder why you didn't put those up there so your fans can have context on why he stopped communicating with you all together. But if you are serious, it isn't about paying him back, it's about taking care of the 3 funders. He is willing to let you set up a payment plan of a reasonable monthly amount to the 3 funders. You can contact me for their information. He says you can pay back one their 575 and the other their 600 for a total of 1175. And that he will settle up the remaining balance with the 3rd funder himself writing off that amount as service rendered. It's more than you've done but he's going to make a show of faith as well as responsibility. He would like you to publically keep track of the repayment to those two funders, he also wants them to get the full 600 and 575, so you would be on the hook for the transaction fee amount as well."

March 26, 2016 update 2----

Terms have been agreed to and Peridotkitty has been given the funder' pages to get their paypal information.Monthy payments are being scheduled. Although these terms have been agreed upon, I will not mark this post as resolved until both funders are completely refunded. I will be handling the 3rd funder's refund myself.

Community Tags:

Before commenting, please read our Community Rules.
Do not go after persons posted about here, by leaving comments on their art pages.
If you have been posted about, please read I've Been Posted on Artists_Beware, Now What?

Comments

( 257 comments — Leave a comment )
Page 1 of 4
<<[1] [2] [3] [4] >>
celestinaketzia
Mar. 25th, 2016 03:55 am (UTC)
I-

wow, just wow.

There was plenty that could be done in the meantime. The script was done. Pages could have been storyboarded for pacing. Inks could have been completed, and even basic shading.

I just don't buy that nothing could be done in the meantime. And those last notes? Utterly unprofessional to the point where I'm flabbergasted.

And being untruthful to Paypal is just the icing on the cake. I've never said beware well warranted and meant it so much.
the_blackrook
Mar. 25th, 2016 09:56 am (UTC)
Yes, a lot could have been done and I was always willing to help if she needed me to. It still dumbfounds me that she claimed she couldn't do much work when she essential had most of the stuff she needed. But what's done is done.
kayla_la
Mar. 25th, 2016 03:56 am (UTC)
I think what gets me is that, for all intents and purposes, she's saying this happened and it's your fault because you trusted her.

She personally insults your intelligence for thinking she would do the work in a reasonable time frame and paying her ahead of time. That's so strange to me. She calls you stupid for trusting that she was legit.

Have you tried calling paypal about this situation? Their phone support is -far- better than their internet support. That said, I suppose it's a costly lesson in making sure you get the contracts signed before any pay is given.

But mostly, I just don't get how she can put this all on you and feel no guilt, here. My conscience would be eating me from the inside out.
chronidu
Mar. 25th, 2016 04:52 am (UTC)
This literally sums up anything I could think to say. I have no clue how a person could do all this, steal money, and then be able to find sleep at night.

I'm going to second calling paypal, they tend to be very easy to talk to and ready to listen. Even despite crippling phone anxiety they have saved my butt more than once. I've found with email and online correspondence little tends to be done.
(no subject) - the_blackrook - Mar. 25th, 2016 05:17 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - the_blackrook - Mar. 25th, 2016 05:16 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - kayla_la - Mar. 25th, 2016 05:18 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - the_blackrook - Mar. 25th, 2016 10:23 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - mistresswolf - Mar. 26th, 2016 02:03 pm (UTC) - Expand
whoop_zi
Mar. 25th, 2016 04:54 am (UTC)
hold up- she really finds it "silly" that she was paid up front? what kind of logic is that? no one forced her to take on this project. you can either take on a project or you can't, and if you end up in over your head, that's on you- all you can do is refund your clients and move on. and if you can't, then maybe don't spend the money before you produce the work. that's silly.

all you asked for in this situation was a little professionalism and she threw it in your face, and that is appalling. beware well warranted- i hope for your sake and the sake of everyone else stuck in this mess that this situation can come to some sort of favorable resolution.
the_blackrook
Mar. 25th, 2016 09:59 am (UTC)
The funders were more than understanding and are patiently waiting for me to give a refund out of my pockets. I take care of my support and will treat them well for dealing with this mess.
(no subject) - whoop_zi - Mar. 25th, 2016 06:34 pm (UTC) - Expand
the_blackrook
Mar. 25th, 2016 05:14 am (UTC)
Note added
I forgot to add Peridotkitty's final note she sent me in response to [firing note 12]. Date added below the edit is also wrong, it's supposed to say the 25th not 23rd.
kayla_la
Mar. 25th, 2016 05:16 am (UTC)
Re: Note added
Goodness me, if she were any more condescending in those notes, she could be exploring the astral planes.
Re: Note added - celestinaketzia - Mar. 25th, 2016 05:23 am (UTC) - Expand
rueq
Mar. 25th, 2016 05:23 am (UTC)
Those last notes.. wow. I would struggle to keep my cool with somebody condescending me like that. That is so rude and unnecessary. How can this happen and she walks away with $1500, and there's nothing you can do about it? Awful behaviour and character.
the_blackrook
Mar. 25th, 2016 09:51 am (UTC)
You just have to know when to call it quits and move on. My claim and appeal were closed in her favor so I will be taking responsibility and paying back the funders myself.
(no subject) - clockmagic - Mar. 26th, 2016 04:30 am (UTC) - Expand
bamwowza
Mar. 25th, 2016 05:54 am (UTC)
WOW
You handled that way better than I ever could. I'm also so sorry this happened to you.

I see they have the "Trusted-Artists" icon on their page & are on their following list, honestly, I would fill out one of their "removal forums" to help other people from having to deal with this experience.
the_blackrook
Mar. 25th, 2016 09:27 am (UTC)
It's a lesson learned and I am moving on with it. I feel more terrible for the funders and have been doing my due diligence to make up for what happened.
fear_eater
Mar. 25th, 2016 06:10 am (UTC)
The fact that they have even gone as far as gloating about it being ruled in their favor on their FA page, is more unsettling. Furthermore, their followers have also since rallied with them in regards to the whole situation.

The fact that you invested into this project only to get slapped like this is low on behalf of them, Paypal, and any other parties included. You provided clear-cut facts, and it is presumed to be all accurate and the truth.

Unfortunately, it just seems as if they'd enjoy watching you suffered and be able to afford their food in the process (also gloated about in their FA journal). There are two sides to every story, but they have already showed their true colors and intent well enough to say who's side I'd be willing to stand on. I hope this matter gets resolved for you.
the_blackrook
Mar. 25th, 2016 09:30 am (UTC)
After her notes insulting me I pretty much lost my respect for her. I've taken matters in my own hands with the funders and am working to refund their money out of my own pockets.
(no subject) - namelessimp - Mar. 25th, 2016 01:35 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - the_blackrook - Mar. 25th, 2016 05:14 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - namelessimp - Mar. 25th, 2016 05:36 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - kayla_la - Mar. 25th, 2016 06:51 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - namelessimp - Mar. 25th, 2016 08:26 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - kayla_la - Mar. 25th, 2016 08:39 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - fear_eater - Apr. 4th, 2016 08:34 am (UTC) - Expand
mod comment - celestinaketzia - Apr. 4th, 2016 10:05 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: mod comment - fear_eater - Apr. 4th, 2016 08:37 pm (UTC) - Expand
neolucky
Mar. 25th, 2016 06:34 am (UTC)
Absolutely appalled by her behavior, there is NO reason for that kind of attitude. In the future, it would be best to keep contracts and piece out this sort of work little by little, paying for small chunks at a time so you won't be burned again =\ this is terrible.

I hope this artist understands how rotten they look, because there is nothing that's going to scrub away this kind of unprofesisonalism.
the_blackrook
Mar. 25th, 2016 09:32 am (UTC)
Thank you for the advice. It's appreciated and I'm taking this situation as a major learning experience when hiring people for future project works.
foreveranonymus
Mar. 25th, 2016 08:06 am (UTC)
Her attitude is absolutely abhorrent, promptly unwatched. Here's hoping Paypal comes through, because this is ridiculous...
Also, seconding the "trusted-artists" thing, this behavior is not that of a trusted artist
the_blackrook
Mar. 25th, 2016 09:34 am (UTC)
Claim and appeal went in her favor. I'm taking full responsibility and refunding the funders myself like a responsible person.
fawkatronic
Mar. 25th, 2016 09:06 am (UTC)
She is trying to say that she said she read the contract but did not agree. However, she read the contract, then continued talking business with you and doing the work. That implies agreement, if she did not agree with the contract she would have stopped work and either broke off the deal or negotiated the terms.

Under the law, she agreed to the contract by acting out the work after having read it.
the_blackrook
Mar. 25th, 2016 09:48 am (UTC)
That's what I honestly figured. But what's done is done and I will be taking care of my funders myself.
scamps
Mar. 25th, 2016 09:08 am (UTC)
Just something to note: 'Firing note 3' actually links to the 'Trello_cover' image again.
the_blackrook
Mar. 25th, 2016 09:13 am (UTC)
Oh, thanks for that.
spartanwerewolf
Mar. 25th, 2016 09:09 am (UTC)
Echoing calling paypal- again- and escalating, because this is crap. Regardless of whether it was a signed, faxed physical copy or emails, or via skype, you still had a contract.

When she took on the project, when she accepted and spent the money, and began work, that is a contract. By taking the money and beginning the art, she has effectively entered into an agreement to render services.

Your only other recourse aside from calling paypal is to take her to court, and I don't know if that's feasible.

Her last few notes are just appalling; she launched right into full-on trolling. Extremely unprofessional, not to mention rude.

ETA: Aw crap, mods, I got linked to kayla-na's comment via skype and didn't realize that journal was this same situation (I didn't read it). I commented to her before I saw this post and just now realized :|

Edited at 2016-03-25 09:16 am (UTC)
the_blackrook
Mar. 25th, 2016 09:22 am (UTC)
Paypal agreed in her favor for the claim and the appeal. Legally going after her is an international matter that I believe would go above the $1500 lost here. If I could afford it, I would. Right now I'm working to get the money back for the funders instead. I'm taking full responsibility and they have been more than understanding and supportive of my decision.
DeadGalaxyX
Mar. 25th, 2016 09:29 am (UTC)
This is outright appalling. Jesus. Especially her attitude regarding it. Just floored that someone can treat a paying client like that and get away with it.



Also, there are people posting links to this all over her page.
the_blackrook
Mar. 25th, 2016 09:46 am (UTC)
I don't go to her page anymore. It is an anathema to me. My job is to take care of my supporters and that's all I can do.
(no subject) - DeadGalaxyX - Mar. 25th, 2016 09:50 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - celestinaketzia - Mar. 25th, 2016 01:28 pm (UTC) - Expand
epiceternity
Mar. 25th, 2016 12:06 pm (UTC)
When you paid her, was if from what was it from money in the paypal account or did you use paypal to pay from your bank account or bank card? If it's the latter then you may be able to open a case with your bank.

If not and you have no joy with paypal the other option would be to open a small courts claim. While it's a big stressful hassle and you might only get a small chunk of money back after costs, the amount you paid her would make it an option to pursue.
the_blackrook
Mar. 25th, 2016 12:15 pm (UTC)
All of it was done through paypal. I'm not too certain how a case would work internationally but I think it would be more costly to go after her than to just cough up the funds myself.

Like I said, I'll be taking a hit for the funders and making up for being in this mess. It's the least I can do for them.
wuvvumsoc
Mar. 25th, 2016 12:29 pm (UTC)
I would keep trying paypal, even if they ruled in her favor.
Page 1 of 4
<<[1] [2] [3] [4] >>
( 257 comments — Leave a comment )

Profile

A_B icon
artists_beware
Commissioner & Artist, Warning & Kudos Community

Community Tags

Powered by LiveJournal.com