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Where: Her abandoned Deviantart, Her current Deviantart, her Furaffinity, Her Inkbunny.

What: An idea of color palette on my original character

When: Around September 2015

Proof: I ask my friend to use my money to send to her.

Explain: I commish to her based from this journal (in case of hide/ delete her evidence, check here), it was suppose to be full color commish, but then this conversation coming, not only block me at Deviantart, and block me at Skype afterward. I use PayPal reminder, but she keeps rejecting it.

EDIT 1: When I saw this, I knew that she have enough money to refund to me, but no, she reject at PayPal.

EDIT 2: Though it was unsatisfied, she's refund 20 USD along with the lineart to me. At this point this situation is resolved.
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kattotang
Jan. 17th, 2016 04:22 am (UTC)
Instead of sending a Paypal money request, you need to do a chargeback on the payment you sent to them.
Andrew Aw Chun Hong
Jan. 17th, 2016 04:27 am (UTC)
But I'm not the sender. Either way, my friend can't chargeback.

Proof: http://imgur.com/ceWvACp

Edited at 2016-01-17 05:11 am (UTC)
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yuki_fox_demon
Jan. 17th, 2016 05:24 am (UTC)
Wait, you gave her basically artistic freedom with the colors, after paying for a full color, and she just decides to do a lineart because she "didn't want [you] stealing [her] color ideas?" That's what I'm getting from it, and that is absolutely ridiculous.
Andrew Aw Chun Hong
Jan. 17th, 2016 05:35 am (UTC)
Yes, it was freaking ridiculous. If she can draw fanart so quick, why not the color idea?
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jessibean
Jan. 17th, 2016 08:00 am (UTC)
Wow. That screenshot of her posting exactly how much she has to spend is ridiculous. Not that she should have spent the $30 in the first place - but this is ridiculous.

Also you can't... claim a color palette? I don't understand this artist at all.
Andrew Aw Chun Hong
Jan. 17th, 2016 08:11 am (UTC)
You're confuse too, right? Her logic is nonsense at all.
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straviios
Jan. 17th, 2016 08:11 pm (UTC)
I don't get it! You spent 30$ and yet she says you only spent 10$ lineart. That's just plain lying right there... Least you showed her the image where your friend paid her, right? (or she just ignored it or something?) But it's awesome you got screenshots of everything happening.

This is just.. so frustrating oh man. and not even refunding you and using said funds for another commission/something else instead of refunding, why... just why are you doing this.

Plus the blocking towards you, oh wow. Trying to put you under and forget the whole mess. So, so rude.

With other people on the comments, call paypal and let them know of the situation. "paid for xxx amount but didn't receive the right item" or something, the full value. or some other action.

(Not fully awake, one hour of sleep. Sorry if i'm going off-topic or words are placed wrong).
greenreaper
Jan. 17th, 2016 09:29 pm (UTC)
My reading of this is that the artist took "the color is your own choice" as meaning "you can choose whether to have color at all", and therefore chose not to. This may have been confirmed in their mind by the fact that the commissioner said "Yes" to "it's 30 bucks either way?"

The problem is, the commissioner clearly meant "it's 30 bucks even though I'm not forcing you to use specific colors". They saw having the power to choose the colors as a bonus for the artist - not something that'd cost extra, or simply not be on offer at all.

The artist puts great value on the originality of color palettes in their work; this may translate into "figuring out colors for your character costs extra".
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reneedetermined
Jan. 17th, 2016 10:23 pm (UTC)
You told me not to worry about the money many times
Again you told me NOT to worry about the money many times before I blocked you. You don't even know how to make up your mind dude. I love how you're spreading lies about me too. Also how the HECK do you know how much money do I have currently? I never said I had 30 dollars recently so get your facts straight.
fauxfaia
Jan. 17th, 2016 10:27 pm (UTC)
Re: You told me not to worry about the money many times
I mean, I'm not touching the other bits, but, uh, you kinda put out there how much money you were willing to spend on an Undertale commission so...
mortymaxwell
Jan. 17th, 2016 10:59 pm (UTC)
Beware well warranted. There are some really bad things going on with this artist and that snarly response of hers isn't making the situation any better.

That $23 she wants to spend on Undertales commissions could go towards refunding her client. But it seems like buying art is more important to this artist than doing the right thing for her clients.
reneedetermined
Jan. 17th, 2016 11:05 pm (UTC)
You told me not to worry about the money many times
Why would I refund someone who has told me NOT to worry about the money?
germanchoclates
Jan. 17th, 2016 11:23 pm (UTC)
Yikes. Beware well warranted. That attitude, those inconsistent statements, and the mishandling of funds. They should just refund the 20 for lack of co,or and be done with it if they changed around their decision to color it.

Also I don't know where the artist gotten the idea color combos and design are copyrighted to them when they are not. That's not how the law works.
reneedetermined
Jan. 17th, 2016 11:26 pm (UTC)
If i color a oc that has no color on it. then the color selection is indeed mine. the oc isn't mine but the colors are
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Enn Shaw
Jan. 18th, 2016 12:09 am (UTC)
What a crazy artist beware. This is one of the weirdest this site has ever had.

Edited at 2016-01-18 12:11 am (UTC)
kestral_kitsune
Jan. 18th, 2016 12:57 am (UTC)
this beware is nuts and well needed....
the beware itself gave me red flags and then the artist's behavior ... just wow.
reneedetermined
Jan. 18th, 2016 01:01 am (UTC)
You're talking about a person who has been under a lot a depression as of recently. I seriously don't don't need this crap
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lovelesskiax
Jan. 18th, 2016 01:20 am (UTC)
Wowie
-horrible attitude from the artist
-even if Andrew's english is bad, you just have to ask for extra clarification
-you cant own colors
-refund fully and Andrew gets no art, or refund the 20$ and give him the lines
-dont spend money before you earned it, no matter how tight things are
-beware well warrented
reneedetermined
Jan. 18th, 2016 01:42 am (UTC)
He told me Not to worry about the money twice in plain English. He most likely didn't know what he was saying.
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deepdarkvalley
Jan. 18th, 2016 01:27 am (UTC)
yikes! this is so awful. :S so sorry you had to deal with this, Andrew.

i can definitely see that there is a language barrier somewhat, but i don't understand why the artist is deciding to act this way. :S especially because OP's english is coherent enough that i can get the general gist of what's going on.

in the future, renee, it is really best to not spend money you earned from a commission until you've already finished your work. you haven't technically earned the money until then, and it can help you avoid situations like this.

hope everything gets sorted for you, andrew. :(
amocin
Jan. 18th, 2016 01:46 am (UTC)
Whenever I see comments jump from 17 to 90s, I just know the artist came in and shot themselves in the foot. And lo and behold here it is.

Beware more than warranted. The artists behavior here has been proof enough of that. Money should never be spent before work is done, cause thats not your money until you have exchanged your end of the product.

To tell other people to 'butt out' of a conversation when they are trying to help explain things in a nice attitude is also a huge red flag.

I sure hope the commissioner gets his money back ASAP.
reneedetermined
Jan. 18th, 2016 01:55 am (UTC)
Refunding
That's not them helping. The commissioner just gotten more people involved in which that shouldn't have happened. So I privately messaged the commissioner on DeviantArt about the refunding. So this bullcrap can end. I don't need this on my plate.
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Jane Vakarian
Jan. 18th, 2016 01:56 am (UTC)
Im confused about the whole...colours thing.
Where...how do you even come to the point in thinking you can claim colour palettes?
Other then that. Wow, just...wow.
1. Uses depression as an excuse.
2. I honestly think she tried to scam him due to 'language barrier'(i understood fine but that me). You dont have prices for lineart then charge for full colour.
3. Says shes confused. No, there are screen caps RIGHT THERE at the top.

This is probably one of the worst Ive seen in a while. Leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
reneedetermined
Jan. 18th, 2016 02:00 am (UTC)
"1. Uses depression as a excuse" DUDE I actually suffer from depression! You might want to quit before continuing to talk about me Jane.
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viral_divinity
Jan. 18th, 2016 02:08 am (UTC)
Goodness gracious. All I can really say is that I'm completely shocked by the artist's attitude. Beware absolutely warranted.
sapphistscot
Jan. 18th, 2016 02:30 am (UTC)
MTE. The bit that bewilders me the most is that the artist thinks they can own/copyright colour palettes. Wat.
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