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Commissioner Beware - Yellow07

WHO: Yellow07

WHERE: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/yellow07/


WHAT: Digital art, single character with full background and inserts.

WHEN: Between the end of June and today (July 13).

PROOF:
Notes1: http://i.imgur.com/eoFV7cc.png
Notes2: http://i.imgur.com/Rv2QIGK.png
Notes3: http://i.imgur.com/PpMS727.png

Approval sketch I sent them: http://i.imgur.com/fTAgi9i.png

EXPLAIN: I'm kind of frustrated at this point. I was way more lenient with them than I should have been (answering their awkward questions, allowing them use of my personal character, and them requesting a discount which I obliged). I had someone tell me before that they had issues with this person (although I lack proof as it was some time ago and we no longer talk), but I wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt.

They've stopped responding to my notes (even though they have read them: http://i.imgur.com/cU324Qb.png ). They've worked with artists that are way out of my price range and seem to have paid them, so I'm not sure what's going on or why they aren't answering me.

I'm still willing to work with them if they pay. I just would have liked some explanation. I would have worked with them if they had to delay payment or if something had come up, but I don't like being completely ignored.

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celestinaketzia
Jul. 14th, 2015 12:28 am (UTC)
Oh my gosh this client. It seems after all these years he's still up to the same tactics.

He commissioned me when I was a very young artist. We originally agreed to a full color picture with my character for $35. Just like in your notes, he worked his way up to more "inserts" so that it was more of a comic page than a full color image anymore.

He definitely tries to work more in than what he's paid for, and is unwilling to pay reasonable prices. Since that commission I've quoted him more reasonable prices for what he's asking for and he flat out never responds. Which is fine, because I'm not up for dealing with the excessive "just a little more details" again.

Though I'm sorry you're going through this, OP. I've never seen him dodge on payment before, but he does drop communication abruptly if he doesn't like what he's being offered. He definitely preys on people who have prices that aren't on par with what they're putting out.
kayla_la
Jul. 14th, 2015 12:32 am (UTC)
Maybe he thinks that once you've done some work (a sketch in the instance of the OP), you'd rather add more for free than scrap the whole thing and not get paid? A lot of people will roll over in these situations and if he's been doing it long enough, he knows that and isn't shy about just making his demands to hold the work already done 'for ransom' for payment, I suppose.
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tylociraptor
Jul. 14th, 2015 12:35 am (UTC)
He's contacted me three times or so asking about a commission. The first time, he told me my asking price (At the time $200) was way too much to ask for what he wanted (A full color illustration, including a CITY and vehicles...). Second time he contacted me, I gave him a quote, he read it and went radio silence. Third time, again, he's gone radio silence. At this point, if he contacts me again, I'll be absolutely turning him down for any work. :/

I should have turned him down after his first comment years ago, since I did remember it when he contacted me again. At that time he also had several pieces in his gallery, real media, from "big name" fandom artists whose prices are far more than what I was asking. Seems like he's trying to take advantage of "lesser known" people.
southernbourbon
Jul. 14th, 2015 01:14 am (UTC)
"At that time he also had several pieces in his gallery, real media, from "big name" fandom artists whose prices are far more than what I was asking. Seems like he's trying to take advantage of "lesser known" people."

That is exactly what I suspected. It seems he thinks that lesser known artists can be more easily manipulated into acquiescing to his demands because lesser known artists have more problems getting commissions.

I guess, unfortunately for him, I am not one that's easily manipulated and I don't like being strung along.:/
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starcharmer
Jul. 14th, 2015 01:17 am (UTC)
If I were you, I'd just reuse the sketch [probably sans city since I hate drawing cities, haha] as a personal piece or even a YCH thing. It's a really cute pose and I love it!
celestinaketzia
Jul. 14th, 2015 01:29 am (UTC)
Seconding this. The pose is adorable, and you could still salvage your time.
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pinkpuppybelly
Jul. 14th, 2015 02:44 am (UTC)
Yeah, this guy... the one and only commission I've ever canceled and refunded before it was even out of the sketch phase.
dustmeat
Jul. 14th, 2015 06:05 am (UTC)
I did the same. He was too much trouble and not much pay.
latiro
Jul. 14th, 2015 03:46 am (UTC)
Blocking him. As a macro fur myself, I'm rather disappointed to see him using lesser known artists to his advantage even though he's got art from popular artists without any problem.

Agreeing with what Starcharmer says, you can reuse the sketch as either personal art or a YCH commission/auction since no payment was made whatsoever.
candycornhusky
Jul. 14th, 2015 05:50 am (UTC)
Many artists told me that he does this! I am sorry if this is straight up rude but, I have been waiting for a beware on him! I hate how he does this to artists. Trying to get cheapie prices. :I
southernbourbon
Jul. 14th, 2015 06:17 am (UTC)
At this point, I would consider this resolved.

He contacted me a short while ago and apologized profusely saying that his job had kept him busy and he forgot to respond.

At first he went back and forth between whether he wanted it finished (replacing the character with one of his own) but eventually decided to just cancel it entirely and reimburse me for my time spent on the sketching.

He also had this to say to anyone who had problems before:

"Please, in your post on there - tell them how I do really apologise for those I have forgotten in the past. That they can contact me to resolve any issues and that I am truly a forgetful son of a bitch v.v "

Edited at 2015-07-14 06:23 am (UTC)
celestinaketzia
Jul. 14th, 2015 10:17 am (UTC)
mod comment
Went ahead and marked this as resolved for you!
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thaily
Jul. 14th, 2015 04:52 pm (UTC)
Ugh, this guy.
So happy I scared him off by telling him that yes, he had to pay 50% up front and no, my fursona is not available for commissions :/
He started out by saying he wanted me to draw some vixen character, then as we came closer to reaching an agreement he casually mentioned he couldn't wait to see my character in the picture. It got pretty personal and creepy :/

I hear so many bad things about this guy, that he tries to trick artists into thinking he owes less than he does. That he tries to manipulate artists into putting more inserts into the image and do more revisions than he's entitled to without paying extra. He seems to mostly, or exclusively, commission female artists and gets really creepy and personal :/

And I keep hearing the same stories from good, decent, productive artists with good reputations. I'm frustrated that he's still at it :/

Edited at 2015-07-14 04:55 pm (UTC)
ladysnakebite
Jul. 14th, 2015 05:45 pm (UTC)
Ohhhh THIS guy.

Every single artist I've known who's worked with him has hated the experience. I've known more than one who've fired him as a client. It really gets my goat to see the "150 was better :(" in those screenshots!! How RUDE. >:T
pinstripedtiger
Jul. 14th, 2015 06:01 pm (UTC)
Several years ago when I was still new, he came to me about a series of macro commissions and wanted to see some sketches of what I could do before he paid. I finished one, showed him, and he immediately said he had to drop the commission because something came up. I didn't think a whole lot of it at the time but reading through the replies here, it sounds standard.
pinstripedtiger
Jul. 15th, 2015 05:24 pm (UTC)
I forgot to add in my main comment: he'd asked me to use my personal character as well.
zannyvix
Jul. 14th, 2015 06:02 pm (UTC)
He approached me recently about a commission, but having been forewarned by friends who've tried to work with him before, I told him flat out that buildings/city scenes aren not my forte, nor are crazy perspectives, and I charge extra for all of that AND for revisions past the 3 changes built into my TOS. What he's asking for is roughly $500-$600 work from me, and a hell of a lot of research and sketch attempts to get it right. That, and I work exclusively in traditional media which makes changes a lot more difficult past a certain point.

Nothing back from him so far, and I honestly don't expect to hear back. I'm not terribly well known, but I'm also not a pushover. I won't be manipulated like that.
neoscottie
Jul. 14th, 2015 08:49 pm (UTC)
Oh wow I remember this guy! He approached me back when I was pretty new in the commission scene and convinced me to do a sorta comic page with a few insert panels for way less than I should have charged. He also wanted me to use my own character, which I was very uncomfortable putting in that situation, but was too young and inexperienced to speak up for myself against it. Sounds like I was lucky in that he actually wound up paying me! Urgh.
It's disappointing to see he's till doing this. :/
honeynuggets
Jul. 15th, 2015 12:13 am (UTC)
I just wanna add in that I've had trouble with this commissioner too. Apart from asking me to include my own characters and adding inserts as if they wouldn't add to the overall cost, and continually trying to haggle me down despite me repeatedly saying I didn't haggle my prices, he also refused to pay until he 'got more info' about some personal characters of mine he wanted to include. He was very manipulative and guilt-tripped me anytime I refused him something, or he didn't like my response. After responding to multiple emails where he tried to change my characters' personalities, looks, etc. until they were barely recognisable and still refused to pay, I had to cancel before any money exchanged hands.

If any money had exchanged hands, I would've made a beware about his behaviour. Definitely glad to see him on here.
karou_windstalk
Jul. 15th, 2015 04:41 am (UTC)
Makes me glad they haven't found me yet ... and that the art I offer isn't 'Mainstream'
Mazzy Techna
Jul. 15th, 2015 01:30 pm (UTC)
deffently Blocking him before he trys this , he was rude From the start and even though he payed Extra that doesnt fix how he still tryed guilt tripping you
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