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Artist Beware - Iingo

WHO: Eindraa, Iingo
http://endraa.tumblr.com/
https://twitter.com/whitekens
http://whitekens.weebly.com/
Where: http://iingo.deviantart.com/

What:
Dec 2013 - Two Chibi Commissions
May 2014 - Fullbody Commission
When: December 2013 for the chibis and May 2014 for the fullbody.
Proof: http://imgur.com/a/QsVKY Contains all the pertinent image files, but will be linking to singular ones in the post.

Explain (This is a very long post, I apologize for that! There's a summary at the bottom):
In November 2013, Iingo (then known as Eindraa) opened chibi commissions (http://i.imgur.com/9ts6BsT.png) to help with college tuition (http://i.imgur.com/JpKaptF.png). I purchased two chibi slots. (http://i.imgur.com/uvY0fMX.png) As can be seen, I also considered asking her to do some gijinkas of anthros (http://i.imgur.com/VER6i9n.png), but I decided not to do so in the end, and payment was discussed and sent. (http://i.imgur.com/72fN4vL.png)

Months passed, Iingo was active on DA with large giveaways, interactive journals, features, and running groups. She also submitted art on a decently frequent enough basis, at least one piece a month, if not more.
http://i.imgur.com/kuJMTCr.png
http://i.imgur.com/wPGwSqP.png
http://i.imgur.com/4DoWlTC.png
http://i.imgur.com/LG4kuk7.png
http://i.imgur.com/hN4BiCh.png
http://i.imgur.com/xgmobjq.png

In February of 2014 or so, she sent me a note asking for a new reference image of one of my characters for the chibi, as the dropbox link no longer worked. Nearly three months passed by before I replied, going by what I can find in my notes, and I am definitely to blame for the lengthiness in that situation. I replied in May 2014 with an updated link, and also asked for a fullbody commission, (http://i.imgur.com/Pgi170z.png) as I noticed she had opened some slots for them up(http://i.imgur.com/6aSuak5.png). She replied about two weeks later and I paid quickly after. (http://i.imgur.com/sLfKjk9.png) This would be the last contact for half a year. My name was never put down in the fullbody list. She continued being active during this period of time with more journals and artworks.
http://i.imgur.com/hRm7jIc.png
http://i.imgur.com/eVRJ9Bg.png
http://i.imgur.com/ReLnE5I.png
http://i.imgur.com/Z4LKTiY.png
http://i.imgur.com/EdMxKi7.png (A commission was posted around a month later.)
http://i.imgur.com/1L0sSsp.png
http://i.imgur.com/qprg5bZ.png (Again, no contact made to me, and the only one from this list she finished a commission in decent time was Choubidubinette's, of which she owed two chibis to the customer it appears and would finish the last one months later)
http://i.imgur.com/QPAUIuH.png (Was not done with commissions.)

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I sent her a note on November 7th 2014 as I noticed her to-do list on her profile had disappeared (the progress bars on what commissions were listed were static for a long period of time as well). Since there were many notes concerning Noir at this point, I compiled it all together in that one note. No reply was made, but she did read the note. (http://i.imgur.com/tbFlspk.png) She continued being active and took on some icon commissions.
http://i.imgur.com/dFGG0J2.png
http://i.imgur.com/q4WvjH8.png
http://i.imgur.com/3dopuso.png
http://i.imgur.com/AawfXGF.png
http://i.imgur.com/05rX15z.png
http://i.imgur.com/JAPmrX1.png
http://i.imgur.com/s21kgPC.png (It is true that starting in 2015, she did become a bit less active in submitting art and journals, but overall, was still fairly busy enough on DA, especially journal wise)
http://i.imgur.com/gD9bRHB.png

Her continued silence paired with her activity (and taking down her to-do list again) prompted me to contact her again. She had said multiple times now at this point she was nearly done with commissions, and I was no longer lenient. I noted her on February 16th, 2015, with a deadline and firmer words. (http://i.imgur.com/TMrz8z2.png) She finally replied. (http://i.imgur.com/RPsjUF0.png) She posted this journal a week after. (http://i.imgur.com/9KEq6RA.png) My commissions were not finished in February or March, nor were other customer's commissions. She continued posting some journals to the community and eventually posted a journal promising commissions would be done soon. (http://i.imgur.com/wG3BR5X.png) Seeing this, I noted her. (http://i.imgur.com/C0XW3Up.png) Her reply: (http://i.imgur.com/AYRmfBx.png) I noted back thanking her for the update. The commissions were not finished within a week however.

A month would go by, before any sign of actual progress was seen; another person's commission was posted April 25th and a day before, this journal was made. (http://i.imgur.com/h417pnL.png) Seeing this journal and beginning to hear alarm bells, I noted her. (http://i.imgur.com/aHHo9sN.png) Her reply: (http://i.imgur.com/Z08dZ0F.png) The wips in question: (http://i.imgur.com/QGRdt9y.png) and (http://i.imgur.com/NgbRru9.png) On the journal, she claims that she is 50% done with my commissions. These do not look 50%, and the black wip is the fullbody, which I asked her twice to please contact me before starting, which she never did. I sent her a note back: (http://i.imgur.com/p0UFAeU.png) As you can see, I also linked to the styles that she had shown in her commission journals as samples and compiled information on Noir again since it had been nearly a year now. She replied and set a deadline: (http://i.imgur.com/RDoNALx.png).

I did not reply until June 7th, because I accepted the deadline and was frankly exhausted from talking to her. I should have been more prompt and not kept her waiting but that is what happened. During this time, she finished Choubidoubinette's final commission, many months after the second one. A week later she finished the first of my chibis which was posted on May 30th 2015 (http://i.imgur.com/byfnPbG.png). A week later I would reply to her notes and thank her for the chibi. (http://i.imgur.com/Px72RBK.png) (http://i.imgur.com/oqbP9cN.png) However, that chibi was not in the style I paid for so long ago, in November 2013. This was the style I was expecting (http://i.imgur.com/wJsb6KU.png). So I decided to ask for a partial refund, the style was not what I paid for, I had waited a long time, and felt the amount I was asking, 20%, was fair. Her replies: (http://i.imgur.com/BfujwGX.png) and (http://i.imgur.com/mTxwD8L.png). I replied to one of the notes: (http://i.imgur.com/sMO48JZ.png) Because while homework is important, and I understand that importance, she cannot continue using it as a crutch to excuse how she has barely completed her commissions in the past 1.5+ years? Commissions are important too, someone paid the person to do a job. Iingo replied to my note: (http://i.imgur.com/HdC904Q.png) and also sent another one the next day that desired to justify her behavior. (http://i.imgur.com/KlkS8Ya.png) I actually did tell her what styles I wanted because I was afraid of this situation specifically happening in a note in March or April (one of the earlier Imgur images)(http://gyazo.com/6d23b3ef855ddd2ca9e6d04150baabfd), but it is clear she did not listen or deign to answer my concerns.

I was upset and exhausted and took several weeks to reply, but also took that amount of time to respond due to seeking counsel from people. In the timespan, she finished a few more commissions, one of them mine (http://i.imgur.com/RlNj5VA.png) and continued posting intensive journals (http://i.imgur.com/pCQd86v.png) (http://i.imgur.com/Hunuhzl.png). I replied to her notes on Jun 28th 2015, (http://i.imgur.com/jCizIbq.png) and (http://i.imgur.com/ciw5HEn.png). The gyazo: http://gyazo.com/6d23b3ef855ddd2ca9e6d04150baabfd
This is three times now she has not listened to/answered my concerns, two of them being please contact me before working on the fullbody and the third being that I clearly linked to the desired styles and she never responded. Things were sour and continued becoming more so as we continued discussing. She noted me back on June 29th, 2015: (2 parts because it's long) (http://i.imgur.com/f359VFq.png) (http://i.imgur.com/6htawXS.png) She continued the assertion that her college work was more important and her life was very busy, and commissions must thus wait. That does not excuse her behavior nor the amount of time it took though? My reply on June 30th, 2015 (4 parts): (http://i.imgur.com/0lClR2w.png) (http://i.imgur.com/ITVcLUk.png) (http://i.imgur.com/03rxXbL.png) (http://i.imgur.com/zPu0jT1.png) At the end of the note, I pointed out her unusual behavior and activities regarding the work she owes to customers, and well, that's where we are as of this post. There is still the fullbody left, and I am stressed and terrified it will cause more issues.



To summarize:
-I purchased 2 chibi commissions in December 2013 and a fullbody in May 2014.
-She has never contacted me on her own (as in, not having a deadline enforced, angry customer, etc, of her own volition), except once in February 2014 to request I send her an updated character reference which I took nearly three months to reply to and apologize.
-She has been fairly active this entire timespan with both art and journals and DA activity, only beginning to slow down somewhat in the beginning of 2015.
-Took down her to-do list twice, and current one is incomplete.
-Did not answer most of my notes asking for updates until I tried to enforce a deadline in February 2015.
-She broke her deadlines twice. Claimed she would finish by the end of February or March. She did not, and when I contacted her again at the end of March, she promised two would be done in a week, something that proved to be inaccurate.
-Does not listen to my concerns. Asked twice to be notified before working on the fullbody, that did not happen. I listed examples of the styles I wanted, no response was given and the finished chibis are in a wholly different style.
-This does not truly pertain to me, but I have reason to believe she is ignoring others as well. Also, in late 2014, she said she would be nearly done with Tirekins' commission, but it would take her many months before she was actually done. The same occurred for Choubidoubinette's commissions and many others.

Thank you for your time everyone.

Updated 8/2/15:
The situation has progressed some more since then. (http://i.imgur.com/xrpfLrX.png)(http://i.imgur.com/OQVvUPR.png) I ended up not replying to this note, it was clear we were in a disagreement over the situation and would not be able to reach a middle ground. I point out that it was actually three months and not four, and that she continued her lack of communication and updates throughout that process and the month-long reply was as earlier mentioned in this post, due to stress experienced from discussing the matter with her. In any case, this was my reply two weeks later, where I asked why she broke a deadline yet again: (http://i.imgur.com/1KK6les.png)
Iingo replied: (http://i.imgur.com/lb217Wa.png) I sent a note back essentially thanking her for the reply.
She finished the fullbody commission the next day! (http://i.imgur.com/ZF6umLQ.png) (http://i.imgur.com/QT4MjBT.png)
I replied that I liked the one with the background: (http://i.imgur.com/xOetHO0.png) A few minutes later, Iingo posted the fullbody commission to her gallery: (http://i.imgur.com/pM60k4o.png) / http://iingo.deviantart.com/art/Full-Body-Commission-for-Vespisia-545980631
Again, this is the commission sample when I purchased a fullbody commission from her: (http://i.imgur.com/H7atwRi.png)
I know styles change, especially with how long this situation has taken, but the two look different in not just style, but quality. To make sure I was not biased, I showed the pieces to others for comparison, and they agreed and noted that it looked like they were made by two different artists and I should ask for a partial refund. Which I did, I finally replied to her last night, having been silent from the hurt of receiving what to me, seemed like a subpar commission after she noted me the piece, which was unprofessional of me to do so. Here is the note I sent her last night at last: (http://i.imgur.com/VJi4utd.png) I thanked her for the piece and asked for a partial refund. Iingo would reply a few hours later with three notes: (http://i.imgur.com/SJedypc.png) (http://i.imgur.com/4qhW1h3.png) (http://i.imgur.com/6UVoOCW.png) I do not intend to reply to her notes. Again, no agreement can be made between us so there is no point. I am updating this beware to let everyone know what has progressed in the situation and I suppose it is resolved, somewhat. Because I got my commissions at last and partial refunds. However, my intention was really to warn people of her work ethic and behavior and in that regard, it is not resolved.

Again, thank you for your time everyone.

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( 14 comments — Leave a comment )
celestinaketzia
Jul. 3rd, 2015 09:41 pm (UTC)
What a horrendous attitude. How do they expect to be able to hold art jobs out of school if they can't even finish art jobs out of school in a timely manner? Ridiculous. A beware very well warranted.
apple_ramen
Aug. 3rd, 2015 12:11 am (UTC)
Hello. I wonder that too. I apologize for taking some time to reply to your comment, I was waiting for the rest of the situation to end and it finally has. I considered the matter half-resolved, I suppose? Thank you for commenting as well, I was a little uncertain deep inside but everyone's comments help me to realize this was indeed an unpleasant situation.
kayla_la
Jul. 3rd, 2015 09:43 pm (UTC)
The line of 'I spent hours on your commissions that I could have spent on better things' is what really jumped out at me. It says a lot about them.
apple_ramen
Aug. 3rd, 2015 12:12 am (UTC)
Yes. It makes me feel concerned for her other customers still waiting.
fawkatronic
Jul. 4th, 2015 03:28 pm (UTC)
Oh my, what a horrible attitude they have. And the style they delivered is way different than the style you wanted. It's not just a "improved version" because it is totally different. The style of the lines and shading are totally different.
You wanted something crisp and clean looking and you got a foggy painting instead.
apple_ramen
Aug. 3rd, 2015 12:12 am (UTC)
Exactly, but she and I will not be able to progress to a resolution over that matter, alas. At least the situation has finally ended.
devildove
Jul. 4th, 2015 06:21 pm (UTC)
Her attitude is atrocious, really unprofessional. Particularly the way she wants you to be "GRATEFUL" (loving the capitalised words for DOMINANCE and AGGRESSIVE emphasis by the way) for her even doing your commissions at all, after how long you've waited and all the stress she's caused you. This is a pending, pre-paid business transaction, not a favour she's doing you. Not to mention the style change is pretty drastic and indeed deserving of a partial refund, in my opinion. It's disconcerting how determined she is to take the reasonable requests of a paying-and-pending customer personally.

Beware well warranted.
spytdragonfyre
Jul. 5th, 2015 01:19 am (UTC)
That's the part that got me too. Why should anyone be GRATEFUL that they didn't receive a half-assed product? Should everyone just expect all services they get to be sub-par?
apple_ramen
Aug. 3rd, 2015 12:14 am (UTC)
Thank you for this post, you stated very nicely some of my issues with her that I was unable to fully realize and put into words. I am concerned about her future as an artist if she continues this behavior...but that's her life. It's been highly stressful, but the matter is over now at last, thank goodness.
Enn Shaw
Jul. 4th, 2015 11:54 pm (UTC)
What the actual FUCK. I'd have more to say, but you know, no name-calling and insulting bewarees. I am so sorry you are going through this.
apple_ramen
Aug. 3rd, 2015 12:15 am (UTC)
Haha, yes. Thank you, Shaw.
spytdragonfyre
Jul. 5th, 2015 01:17 am (UTC)
Oh gosh, her attitude through the entire thing was horrendous. She completely missed the point that if she has been paid for a job, she can't just blow it off and claim she was busy with life. /Everyone/ is busy with life.
apple_ramen
Aug. 3rd, 2015 12:16 am (UTC)
Exactly. I hope she realizes this sooner rather than later.
apple_ramen
Aug. 3rd, 2015 12:19 am (UTC)
I want to thank everyone for commenting...as I mentioned to Celestinaketzia, before this submission, I knew this was worthy of a beware, but I still had some doubts about whether or not I should be going through with it and that maybe I was being fussy over small potatoes, but your comments have helped me realize that my concerns and this beware are valid.

As mentioned in the edit, it is resolved in that I have received all my commissions and partial refunds at last. However, her behavior and work ethic are unlikely to change, so in that sense, there is still a beware, I feel.
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