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Traced YCBH

WHO: https://www.furaffinity.net/user/clarityangeldragon/, http://www.furaffinity.net/user/eraviadragonfly/, http://www.furaffinity.net/user/Roxanna/, http://www.furaffinity.net/user/pixenvixen/, http://www.furaffinity.net/user/skypropony

WHERE: FurAffinity.net

WHAT: Digital YCH auction that was traced

WHEN: 6/20/2014

PROOF: https://www.dropbox.com/s/0q78lkqvvmnw9v6/FireShot%20Screen%20Capture%20%23040%20-%20%27TCBY%20by%20ClarityAngelDragon%20--%20Fur%20Affinity%20%5Bdot%5D%20net%27%20-%20www_furaffinity_net_view_13769477_%23cid_84313695.png

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3l1c8uhphnorw4b/FireShot%20Screen%20Capture%20%23041%20-%20%27Userpage%20of%20clarityangeldragon%20--%20Fur%20Affinity%20%5Bdot%5D%20net%27%20-%20www_furaffinity_net_user_clarityangeldragon.png

Original image; http://puu.sh/9EyrP/2ecf3723c9.jpg
http://puu.sh/9Eyu1/c0f812b70b.jpg

http://oi61.tinypic.com/1z1a5vd.jpg - This was a layover she posted on her own to prove she didn't trace, it's since been removed.

Image provided by the tracer as the original image she attempted to make money from; http://theperfectpose.com/HowToPose/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/bride-alone-poses-1.jpg

New, closer overlay provided by a member of the community, showing the tracer's overlay was skewed and warped in her 'evidence', and the image is in fact, very traced, at minimum very heavily referenced without citing the source on the original auction to begin with; https://www.dropbox.com/s/gem52e82kbk0jil/trace.png

EXPLAIN: I happened across this image while browsing, looking through her gallery, and the image itself, it's clearly traced. I commented as you can see above asking the artist to cite her source, and the image was replaced with the above overlay as 'proof' she didn't trace. This artist attempted to trace a photograph for monetary gain, and should be avoided.

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jakejynx
Jun. 21st, 2014 04:06 am (UTC)
So where is the actual proof that it's traced? It just looks referenced, to me.
snobahr
Jun. 21st, 2014 04:48 am (UTC)
The flow of the gown looks traced, to me.
viciousgoldmoon
Jun. 21st, 2014 05:03 am (UTC)
Does anyone else feel like she made the original picture a bit smaller so that when she placed her art on top of it, it wouldn't correlate as much? o__O; I feel like if the photograph was scaled up in a few places, it would match up a bit more.

IDK. This doesn't surprise me coming from her.
viciousgoldmoon
Jun. 21st, 2014 05:05 am (UTC)
Her additional FA account was Roxanna. It seems she's disabled it now.
ljmydayaway
Jun. 21st, 2014 05:23 am (UTC)
Do you have a link to the original photo?
turin_aramaia
Jun. 21st, 2014 08:57 am (UTC)
Photo source can be difficult
It looks like a photo from a bridal gown magazine. There's a lot of those out there.

It looks traced. The gown was done one size, then the body, a different size. The head looks very very funny when a trace is composed this way. This rough bit, the body proportions are off.

This CANNOT be the final product. This can be a rough trace sketch which the actual drawing is hand built from.
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orangemonsterco
Jun. 21st, 2014 08:49 am (UTC)
isn't this annalaigh?
edit: I had meant that this is dustythemare, doesn't she have a history of tracing?

Edited at 2014-06-21 08:50 am (UTC)
lunar_orchids
Jun. 21st, 2014 10:37 am (UTC)
Yes dusty has a huge history of tracing
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roxyfur
Jun. 21st, 2014 04:20 pm (UTC)
The image looks pretty clearly traced to me. Especially the gown. I bet if it was resized, it would be irrefutable.

Her attitudes in the most recent journal posted make this beware more appropriate than before.
Christina Richards
Jun. 21st, 2014 06:48 pm (UTC)
Well at the time I was upset :3 It is to be expected. We all get mad. Specially when one person after another is spamming you just to be a troll.
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Christina Richards
Jun. 21st, 2014 06:12 pm (UTC)
Um, excuse me, I deleted the original peice because seeing coments like that is bad for business, also why would I bag myself, I am the one who put up the tinypic image. :/ To proove i didnt trace. Thanks for doing this instead of speaking to me :/ I didn't trace, and I show a lot of live streams to proove so.
sacch
Jun. 21st, 2014 06:20 pm (UTC)
Would you mind linking your drawing and the picture that you referenced for further clarification? Burden of proof is on you if you claim you don't trace.
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kayla_la
Jun. 21st, 2014 06:55 pm (UTC)
To be honest, whether it was 'directly traced' or 'heavily referenced' doesn't matter to me personally. It's very, very close, and the intent was the same; to copy a photo and then make money off of it.

Doesn't FA have a rule where you're supposed to cite your sources in cases like these?
celestinaketzia
Jun. 21st, 2014 07:03 pm (UTC)
Yes, they do. It's a bannable offense if the artist fails to do so.
Christina Richards
Jun. 21st, 2014 08:21 pm (UTC)
Live Stream
For some reason sia died at the end... But if you watch as i was trying to size the picture together they were starting to match up in most areas other than the arms, again. No one can draw something the same way twice, but this was my process half-assed and again most of it lined up again :3

http://tinypic.com/r/2ezpjdy/8
lackoflollies
Jun. 21st, 2014 08:32 pm (UTC)
Re: Live Stream
You can redraw it as many times as you like to 'prove' your process, however the fact remains you attempted to take a heavily referenced/traced image, make money off of it, and pass it off as original content versus admitting you referenced it and calling people who called you out 'cunts' and drama monglers, when in reality they weren't wanting someone to pay you for more or less tracing an image, that you still haven't admitted to, and I highly doubt you will any time soon.

P.s. What you're doing in that video, although not directly tracing, is still heavily referencing, and you should be citing your source regardless.
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mazz
Jun. 21st, 2014 08:44 pm (UTC)
Obvious trace is obvious. Thank you for the warning.
dragontripmon
Jun. 21st, 2014 09:37 pm (UTC)
.......That was surprising.
Wow really surprised that the artist came here and damaged their reputation not just the tracing but the journals about AB as well.
https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/5867399/ You may not realize how the behavior your showing could affect you in the future in your consider doing art as a career.
norsepaw
Jun. 21st, 2014 09:57 pm (UTC)
Re: .......That was surprising.
Yeah they dont really help themself... at all.
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sleetfury
Jun. 21st, 2014 11:39 pm (UTC)
Yeah if I didn't care enough at the beginning the artist's behaviour in here definitely solidified this for me.
clockmagic
Jun. 21st, 2014 11:54 pm (UTC)
I recall this person for different drama (fursuit related scamming, I think copying as well but can't say for sure). It's a shame to see they haven't changed, just took on under a different name and medium to scam with.
snowcrystal84
Jun. 22nd, 2014 03:04 am (UTC)
I am sorry but this beware is really unnecessary. Because it is clearly not a trace. It looks heavily referenced at best. And as far as I am aware there is nothing against referencing, not even in FA's TOS. The TOS only mentions traced art/plagiarism.

When referencing something for a pose, etc. there is nothing against that. And the lines do not match up at all. There is a huge difference between referencing and tracing. This piece looks referenced, not traced. While it is obviously heavily referenced, it isn't traced.

Edited at 2014-06-22 03:06 am (UTC)
lackoflollies
Jun. 22nd, 2014 03:26 am (UTC)
If the moderation team here did not think the beware was valid, it would not have been approved.
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spiritlobo
Jun. 22nd, 2014 07:11 am (UTC)
If I wasn't convinced on the tracing matter, I certainly am now at how the artist came on here and acted.

Just wow.
spiritlobo
Jun. 22nd, 2014 07:12 am (UTC)
Convinced in that they aren't someone to work with, sorry forgot to add that.
Jane Vakarian
Jun. 22nd, 2014 08:23 am (UTC)
The fact that there is people defending tracing/heavy referencing without credit on the shouts means I know who to stay away from too.
Unless they haven't seen the evidence.

Either way, pretty shocked at the behaviour of them, it'd look a lot better to own up to it rather then blatantly deny the whole thing over and over.

It's just WAY to close for a reference.
canilupine
Jun. 22nd, 2014 11:57 am (UTC)
Re: MOD COMMENT
""This person's just being a troll." and any other instance where they talk of trolls. We don't condone it, end of story."

She did not name-call. She said, "Specially when one person after another is spamming you just to be a troll." Totally a legitimate thing to say.

I'm beginning to question the legitimacy of this group. It seems like it's just become a drama forum and a snobby hate-parade.

Edited at 2014-06-22 11:59 am (UTC)
celestinaketzia
Jun. 22nd, 2014 12:23 pm (UTC)
Do not continue topics that have been frozen by the mods.

Eta: Additionally, you've been given a warning for this.

Edited at 2014-06-23 12:08 am (UTC)
canilupine
Jun. 23rd, 2014 12:42 am (UTC)
When the mods are wrong, I will continue the topic.

Also, "ETA" stands for Estimated Time of Arrival.

Edited at 2014-06-23 12:42 am (UTC)
celestinaketzia
Jun. 23rd, 2014 12:53 am (UTC)
Consider this your suspension.
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kayla_la
Jun. 23rd, 2014 01:55 am (UTC)
MOD COMMENT
I shouldn't have to say this, but do not go to the bewaree's page and harass her or her friends. If we catch you, you will be banned for doing so.

Threatening me, our members, or the community via PM over this post will also get you banned. Most of you are adults, and I expect you to act the part.


Edited at 2014-06-23 01:55 am (UTC)
Christina Richards
Jun. 23rd, 2014 02:20 am (UTC)
Re: MOD COMMENT
I got the note on FA from the admin and the harassing isn't going to ever stop no matter how many times you ban them on LIVE JOURNAL. FA is it's own thing. Honestly, take down my A_B and the harassing will probably stop from new people. Okay I refferenced and everyone thinks I traced, I don't care anymore, but noting me telling me to kill myself is worse than what you call my "Bad behavior" for having emotions. So, honestly, you wanna do something about this, take this down, or the police will be involved in the violent harassment including your group. I am no longer playing games about the threats.
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0acorn0
Jun. 23rd, 2014 02:44 am (UTC)
It's cute when people think that the police give a crap over their petty internet problems.
kayla_la
Jun. 23rd, 2014 02:45 am (UTC)
Please don't comment with stuff like this, it only serves to be a jab at a now-banned member.
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cdemonkam
Jun. 23rd, 2014 02:44 am (UTC)
Was wondering what was up with the inconsistency in their art.
The tracing of itself was bad enough but their attitude in the comments..
kaiiju
Jun. 23rd, 2014 02:59 am (UTC)
I think the amount of detail in the dress vs. the amount of detail in everything else (like the face and especially the curtains/the way they fold) is kind of a dead giveaway.
magicporpoise
Jun. 23rd, 2014 07:52 am (UTC)
A reference is when you use pieces of a photo to help you mold your own, not something to completely eyeball(if not traced.) Eyeballing AND tracing is not ok if you plan to sell it.
lackoflollies
Jun. 23rd, 2014 01:41 pm (UTC)
I was just informed that the artist in question has posted the following on her facebook;

Wow, you put me on A_B and then when someone defends me you spam their inbox with vulger messages? Wow, now I have even more proof you are just a hater xD Lol your pathetic.

I'd like to make it clear that I have not sent her, or anyone she knows a personal message, and if such a message exists, it was likely a fake account.
sapphistscot
Jun. 23rd, 2014 02:44 pm (UTC)
Call me a cynic, but I'm pretty sure that the 'hate' messages she's getting are from a sock puppet account belonging to her or one of her white knights, and are being sent purely to make her look like a victim. And to draw attention away from her tracing.
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snowcrystal84
Jun. 23rd, 2014 03:33 pm (UTC)
I mean no disrespect, but why were two users banned for saying they would report the group? And you banned the person this beware was about because "she was in too much of an emotional state?" That is not a reason to ban a user. She did nothing that went against the TOS of this group, or anything.

She came here to defend her argument, in which no one chose to believe her and still tried to accuse her of tracing. When she did the overlays, people tried to come back that she "still must have traced" without at least considering her side of the argument.

This is... just appalling. I am sorry. I understand if they breached some sort of rights. Harassment is not acceptable for anyone, but to ban them for simply "being too emotional" is no reason to ban them... FYI.

Also why would users get banned for simply saying they are going to report the group? That is not harassment. A warning, but not harassment. No one is harassing.

She heavily referenced at best, in which she did learn from her mistake. She did, and even reposted her submission with referencing that artwork. I agree with the comments that if you heavily reference/copy from something you need to give credit, and especially if it is a paid commission ask for permission from the original photographer/artist/etc. I agree with this. But she didn't trace. Though everyone seems insistent she is. She was posting on here to help resolve any issues with the tracing and lay them to rest.

So how is this bannable? Please enlighten me. Again I mean no disrespect, and while I do not know all went behind the scenes I see no reason to ban her, or Cani. And what threats did Cani do, might I ask? Aside from saying he would report the group.

I also did not see anyone calling anyone out. :I I am sorry, but I had to comment on this, because again I saw nothing going on that was wrong. I did not feel Cani needed to be suspended, and certainly not banned for saying he did not see anyone calling anyone out. I did not see it either. And again this is my opinion. Or are we not allowed to freedom of speech on the forums?

Edited at 2014-06-23 03:49 pm (UTC)
celestinaketzia
Jun. 23rd, 2014 04:10 pm (UTC)
Kayla can better elaborate on the threats that ultimately got both users banned (if she wishes), but Cani was originally suspended for continuing a topic that Xai, and later myself told him to drop. When we freeze something, it means that current conversation is absolutely over. It is not an invitation to continue it in a separate thread. Cani was given ample chance as can clearly be seen throughout this post. A suspension is not permanent, but Cani chose to make it so when he issued threats.
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oceandezignz
Jun. 23rd, 2014 04:47 pm (UTC)
MOD COMMENT
That ball of choice is not in your court. We are also not slandering; your suspension was temporary and you escalated that into a permanent ban of your own doing.

And continually kicking up this fuss -and- ban evading is only fueling the longevity of this post and not. Helping. Anyone.

Allow me to help you simmer off by re-banning you.
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