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Syrinoth / Hiroi Kaira

WHO:
Syrinoth / Hiroi Kaira

WHERE:
www.furAffinity.net/user/syrinoth
www.inkbunny.net/syrinoth

WHAT:
Digital Artwork, Joint Commission.



WHEN:
Payment sent on Oct 19th to lock in slot. "Finished" artwork delivered Nov 19th.

PROOF:
Payment screenshots:
My half of payment to partner:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/8ko3rhoy66xirf9/me%20to%20%5Bredacted%5D.png
Combined payment to syrinoth:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xpv4n6u9fat5x6j/%5Bredacted%5D%20to%20syri.png

Screenshots of skype conversations about the edits:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/6l32ivn3iep3i3p/part%201.png
https://www.dropbox.com/s/maznguscxwa9uay/part%202.png

Notes received after commission was posted:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/sf4nrjw1a0kgpb0/note%201.png
https://www.dropbox.com/s/dyapa9i3o5c9un5/note%202.png

Final skype screenshot when final edits were made:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7e6mjmtgkqvj4kk/part%203.png

EXPLAIN:
Joint commission was for my character to be intimate with a friend's character. The posing request was to have my character laying down and the friend's character to be facing away to let his big fluffy tail be where I could hold onto it. The pose got reversed, for whatever reason, but it still looked good.
I provided 4 ref images for my character. The other 3 refs were supplemental; to just be certain that my character was well explained and to hopefully prevent any errors.

Main Ref [NSFW]: https://www.dropbox.com/s/utyxg4dbfh2u1ju/faunoiphilia%20ref.png

Supplemental Refs:
[NSFW]: https://www.dropbox.com/s/6gh194mth178ub1/1376778257.epicwang_faunoiphilia.png
[NSFW]: https://www.dropbox.com/s/fjhyvthemxsty72/1369425320.knon_faunfystsketches2.png
[SFW]: https://www.dropbox.com/s/rmdb7n968d9ulwl/affe211240ee.png

Everything is in the main ref, however the supplemental shots just gave a few extra views of the details of my character's markings and main features.
My character is a Gryphon, a Raven-White Jaguar hybrid, I have feathers that run down my chest and belly and into my crotch and hindlegs. I have typical jaguar rosettes, which are broken rings with smaller, random spots inside the rings. I also have feathers that run down the outsides of my forelegs.

The commission was a discounted fast turn-around commission, which was supposed to be quick, no revisions/changes after finished. However it was also supposed to be accurate to the provided refs and to match the requested pose. In this case, refs were provided at time of commission, and a pose was requested.

The finished image, was missing the three main features I have listed on my character, and the posing was reversed from what was requested. To request the posing be changed would've added a lot of extra work to the commission, and the reversed pose wasn't bad enough to require that, so I let the posing error slide. However, the missing feathers on the front legs and around the crotch and the total lack of proper rosettes were fixable and were clearly portrayed and pointed out by the references.

I contacted Syrinoth about the changes and requested he add the details per the original refs. He "fixed" the rosettes by sloppily adding black dots to them. The black coloring he used to add the dots, doesn't match the coloring of the rest of the character well, and it is obvious that he didn't really want to make the change to match the refs. I then had to send him multiple notes and shouts to get him to respond to me regarding the missing feather details. To which he once again tried to tell me I was requesting a revision to the original commission, when I was in fact expecting him to follow his TOS and make sure the finished image was accurate to the original request and refs linked. I tried to be nice and I tried to be patient, but ultimately it took me threatening to do a chargeback and post on AB about my experience with this commission, to get him to actually contact me and correct the details.
From the time he contacted me and I explained what exactly was missing on the feathers, to the time he corrected the problem was less than 20 minutes worth of effort. It took him 5 days from fixing the rosettes to him actually responding to my questions about missing feathers, over less than 30 minutes of actual artwork time.

He finally made the corrections and got the character accurate to the ref sheet, but the changes were sloppy and he obviously didn't want to make them or put any effort into them. He handled the situation in a very unprofessional manner. I ultimately ended up with artwork which I don't enjoy because it only reminds me of the drama that i took to get a half-way decent job done on the corrections. My character has started to be nicknamed the Chocolate Chip Cookie gryphon on some sites because of this image, which while funny from close friends, is not funny from total strangers.
I will not be getting any more commissions from Syrinoth after how this was handled, and I would strongly suggest anyone considering getting art from him, is explicit with what they want (as he made a specific point to mention in his newest journal that asks for commissions) and makes sure to specify every little detail you can possibly come up with to compliment any references you provide. I did exactly that, regardless, because I am particular about my character, but it didn't save me. I would not wish what I had to go through with Syrinoth on anyone else.
Buyer beware, he did fix it, but it was not worth my money or my trouble getting my character drawn correctly.

First Edit:
[NSFW]: https://www.dropbox.com/s/j0p09e7k1hzt9m7/clr_Dowantanaccount_01.jpg

The original version of the pic was overwritten by this one when i saved it, so i do not have a copy of the picture that is rosetteless. However, as can be seen, he failed to fill in all of the rosettes with dots when he edited it. The left hindleg of my character has circles both under an above mark's legs that do not have dots in them. There is also a circle that is not filled in at all with brown color or spots (though that one remains so all the way through the final version). It is located on the very same leg he neglected when he edited it.

Final Edit:
[NSFW]: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ode3637xdjv3d0q/clr_Dowantanaccount_01c.jpg

There was a clear lack of care taken when placing the feathers on my forelegs. Again, he didn't use my reference correctly to see that they do not go all the way down to the talon - they are supposed to only go halfway. He also corrected some of his neglect to the hind leg when he placed some of my crotchfeathers in this version. The crotchfeathers should've been visible on the other side of mark's leg because they cover most of the hinds. However, because of all the drama, i decided to call it quits here without asking anything further from him.

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Comments

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kontinue
Jan. 4th, 2014 01:26 am (UTC)
Honestly, threatening to do a charge back on a completed commission? Not cool, it's theft if you do it. Requesting a partial refund due to being unhappy with the work, I would completely understand... but regardless, work was done and he does deserve to be paid for it. That's enough, in my books, to be a potential warning to artists against you. Just because you aren't happy with the outcome of a transaction, or you don't like the artists' interpretation of your character, doesn't mean you don't have to pay them for the work they have completed.

Additionally, in your post, you state: " My character has started to be nicknamed the Chocolate Chip Cookie gryphon on some sites because of this image, which while funny from close friends, is not funny from total strangers." I'm sorry, but I really don't see how this is relevant to the situation, nor how it is any fault of the artist. A third and un-involved party giving a character a nickname based on his appearance in some artwork is hardly the artists' fault, and could easily happen whether it's artwork you liked or disliked.

I would love to see the exchange where you threatened him with an A_B entry and a charge-back, because it seems to me that's pretty important... as well, it's pretty important to see the TOS that you agreed to. You say it's worded in one way, and he says or implies it is another. It would be good to see the facts of that.

Honestly, I don't know if it's warranting of a beware. It looks like the only time he actually became unprofessional (being stern with a customer is not being unprofessional, remember) is after you say you had threatened him. Threatening someone with an A_B entry is understandable under certain circumstances, but threatening an artist who has completed artwork with a charge-back... never EVER reasonable... quite unreasonable, in fact. Sure, he shouldn't have responded in the way he did, but I can certainly understand why he might have, if he felt he was being unduly threatened by a customer with action against him that was undeserved (the charge-back).
thecreativepen
Jan. 4th, 2014 01:59 am (UTC)
If a mistake was the fault of the artist, they do not deserve full compensation (and may not deserve compensation at all).

Say you requested an image of a rabbit playing in a field. I send to you an image of an elephant at a circus. Should I be paid partially for my work? No, and this is an extreme example. The same goes for any errors in posing or markings. The artist has due diligence to respond quickly and fix errors they are responsible for. By that logic, any artist can do a haphazard job on an image and still deserve pay for work they have done.

I would not pay in full for something that was not done correctly, or that was "fixed" with no effort or compassion put forward.
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teekchan
Jan. 4th, 2014 03:26 am (UTC)
I agree with the first post, mainly. Especially about the refund.

teekchan
Jan. 4th, 2014 03:29 am (UTC)
I'd like to add too, that there's no caps or the original commission order, or the original file received?

It's very hard to judge anything without those. What you thought may have been clear (about position) may not have been to the artist.

*Disregard this if the original order is posted, I just can;t find it.
faunoiphilia
Jan. 4th, 2014 03:34 am (UTC)
there is no original. syrinoth uses google spreadsheets/forms to collect commission information. i highly doubt he would provide that to me so that i can use it in an AB against him.
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vauvakolibri
Jan. 4th, 2014 03:31 am (UTC)
I have to agree with kontinue, as I'm bit of two minds about this issue.
Yes, it's irritating if the artist misses something that's in the ref, but if you agreed to the TOS that said "No Edits", I can't see the artist being unprofessional by then agreeing to do said fixes, and there's no reason to try to get a full refund.
(I might even assume the reason why he doesn't do edits is because he might know he'd do a poor job on them)
And yeah, if the spot look is important, it might be worth to take less space to show the penis and have a larger version of the spots for clarity (as I looked at the main ref, I didn't realize it was a small version and barely could see the spots) and not give visually conflicting additional refs or mark the differences that the artist shouldn't follow (as it looks like the artist may have followed the spot look from one, the arm feather length from another) because that usually may signal the artist that there is more leeway in the design than what there actually is.

So, as irritating as I can see the artist being, what you did (going against TOS multiple times with edits, threatening a chargeback over minor mistakes, seemingly taking this quite personally) feels to me to be more irritating.
faunoiphilia
Jan. 4th, 2014 03:40 am (UTC)
The commission was for my character (along with another's). I would never have needed edits if syrinoth had paid attention to the references that i provided and had drawn my character correctly. That is what the edits attempted to get me, my char drawn as it should have been.

I threatened a chargeback because I was told that I was not going to get what I paid for: a picture of my character drawn as it should have been drawn. If he isn't willing to hold up his end of the deal and provide the picture of my character, i don't feel the need to pay him for something i didn't order.
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kayla_na
Jan. 4th, 2014 04:39 am (UTC)
o.0 Syrinoth had a no edit rule in his TOS? How is that fair to threaten a chargeback when you've agreed to those terms; and even then, Syrin made the edits despite that it's in his TOS that he was not going to do any?
faunoiphilia
Jan. 4th, 2014 04:45 am (UTC)
The never should have been edits in the first place. they were details of my character that he left off after i specifically pointed them out to him multiple times. they should have been included from the beginning. if he had done that, i would have requested no edits. i do not consider his ToS to allow him to mess up my character.
If he drew your sona instead of mine and called it his "interpretation" of my character, would i be forced to accept that by his ToS? if that is what you are saying, then i definitely /do/ need to have this warning up for others.
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tealmoonxiv
Jan. 4th, 2014 06:23 am (UTC)
The added feathers look horrible.
totschrei
Jan. 4th, 2014 07:45 am (UTC)
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/12109913/ ( NSFW )
You hate the image but you post it as well calling him out in an link to artist beware on the submission
Isn't that against the rules of both AB and FA?

Edit: added NSFW tag on it.

Edited at 2014-01-04 07:46 am (UTC)
faunoiphilia
Jan. 4th, 2014 07:48 am (UTC)
I just linked that now. I don't know if that is against FA's rules but i don't see why drawing attention to it would be against AB's. Drawing attention to issues is the entire point of this community.
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ryunwoofie
Jan. 4th, 2014 08:34 pm (UTC)
This swiftly became a beware upon the OP, though the artist didn't handle the pressure that well either. I still wouldn't fault them for standing by their TOS for a nit-picky customer.
germanchoclates
Jan. 4th, 2014 09:05 pm (UTC)
Yeah, this is definitely more of a beware on the OP than it is the actual artist. As an artist, the refs contradict each other and really aren't clear on their own. You only see feathers on the close-up of the creatures genitalia that is otherwise absent from every other reference you gave. The black inside the legs also looks more like colored areas of fur than feathers than, again, on the genitals close-up. The second ref you don't even see it on that area. It's blocked due to the pose. The rest are like that as well. Also in the first ref the forearm feathers do go all the way down to the 'ankle', then don't in another place on the exact ref. As an artist, the main ref contradicting itself is incredibly confusing. Also it taking only 20 minutes to fix is really irrelevant. Some people can work that fast.

Even in the conversations the OP comes off as really hostile on all counts, especially when threatening a full chargeback. Just...wow. Then the call out submission to boot, then sneaky linking? This entire thing speaks volumes about the commissioner, and it's not good.
syrin0th
Jan. 4th, 2014 10:18 pm (UTC)
My thanks to everyone for their constructive and perceptive take on the situation. There's not much left for me to add that hasn't already been said. The best I can do here is elaborate and provide a bit more of my side of the situation for clarification.

To start off, here is the form entry I received for the commission: http://imageshack.com/a/img577/4534/tbnj.jpg
I did not get any variants in notes or email that match the description in this AB entry.

There was a single link to his reference sheet. Faunoiphilia did send me a note on FA that had three additional links:

[NSFW] http://imageshack.com/a/img14/1278/bv9s.jpg
[NSFW] http://imageshack.com/a/img824/4457/in8x.png
[NSFW] http://imageshack.com/a/img823/6823/gl51.png

(I can provide a screen of the note if that would help, but it mostly consisted of these links).
The character sheet that is currently linked is double the resolution than when it was first linked to me. I did not know he had updated it until he was asking for the corrections. (I absentmindedly deleted the file, otherwise I would have linked it here to demonstrate it's readability)

Although my TOS says I won't do revisions, I will usually make revisions anyway if the mistake was mine (ie. the details were in the description or it was clear in the references and I messed up). However, in this case I was given inconsistent references with no written description or details pointed out and left to guess which details were right and which were not.
The changes were small enough that had he asked them all at once, I'd have done it. But when he kept asking, I didn't know when he would stop.

Here is our correspondence in full, and in order:
Our first Skype conversation regarding the changes:
http://imageshack.com/a/img845/8063/3pky.jpg
The full discussion in FA notes a week later:
http://imageshack.com/a/img89/2360/67d1.jpg
The shouts on my FA page as I replied to said notes:
http://imageshack.com/a/img600/4789/8bv8.jpg
Our Skype conversation immediately following the final FA note:
http://imageshack.com/a/img35/750/olxl.jpg (I was not ignoring him for the first part, I logged in at 7:33 and responded immediately)

I fully agree with the mods and commenters that I could have worded some things more professional. In hindsight, I let my anxiety build too much and kept responding when I should have walked away and calmed down first. I was worried if I didn't keep responding he would cut me off and file the chargeback, which at the time would have done me a lot of damage two days before a big move to a new apartment. That said, I think I can do better and I will strive for such, should a situation like this come up again.

If there's any other feedback for how I could have handled this better that wasn't addressed, or if anything needs to be clarified further, please let me know! There's been some excellent feedback already and I am certainly taking notes for how I can improve.

[Edit: Changed FA links to Imageshack links for references]

Edited at 2014-01-04 10:21 pm (UTC)
kayla_na
Jan. 4th, 2014 10:36 pm (UTC)
Uh, wow, that last note by Faunoiphilia.
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naparum
Jan. 5th, 2014 12:34 am (UTC)
I feel others have more or less covered my feelings on the situation, so I just want to say kudos to Syrinoth for handling this as professionally and politely as they did. (Up until the end, but honestly with OP's behavior, a small temper slip is excusable imo)

For the record OP, if you intend to get any more quick, no-corrections commissions, I would recommend getting a more concise / labelled reference sheet. Your character is very complex, and being given multiple ref sheets for such a highly-detailed character, with no written direction, can be incredibly confusing for an artist.
sacch
Jan. 6th, 2014 03:31 pm (UTC)
I would recommend getting a more concise / labelled reference sheet. Your character is very complex, and being given multiple ref sheets for such a highly-detailed character, with no written direction, can be incredibly confusing for an artist.

I can't agree with this more. This is exactly what I do when I commission people- put everything important on one sheet, and make sure to notify the artist of anything not on the sheet.
smokeandspots
Jan. 5th, 2014 12:53 am (UTC)
As it stands, this seems to be a slanderous post toward Syrinoth, who does not appear to have done anything wrong, and it may wrongly jeopardize some of his future sales. Is there any way to clear his name a bit in the OP, mods?
sbneko
Jan. 5th, 2014 12:55 am (UTC)
Unfortunately mods have no power to edit OP posts, only tags.
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likeshine
Jan. 5th, 2014 05:23 am (UTC)

Good grief, that last note D: definite beware on the OP here.
hootley
Jan. 5th, 2014 09:06 am (UTC)
Beware on the OP very much well warranted. :/
hootley
Jan. 5th, 2014 09:08 am (UTC)
"If you refuse to fix it, I will be getting my money back. THAT is the end of this fucking discussion"
Jesus. I'm absolutely /disgusted/.
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ansitru
Jan. 5th, 2014 06:17 pm (UTC)
Yeah ... I think I'll be preemptively avoiding OP as a commissioner.
The fact they left out pretty important parts of the conversation and of what went down to try and spin this in their favour is just appalling.

Edited at 2014-01-05 06:17 pm (UTC)
yarbro
Jan. 7th, 2014 03:05 am (UTC)
To tell you the truth- I would accidentally missed the arm feathers and the appropriate length too. And I will get the spots color wrong. I usually send a sketch out, then a flats to make sure everything is correct for the commissioner.

And even then- there will be errors/interpretations. That what makes an artist- an artist.

But demanding charge-back for a small detail like that? When it is clearly pointed out in the TOS no edits?

The OP read the TOS. There is no excuse. I am not taking "the lack of certain details" reasoning well for the OP's intention for the refund. And here's why-

"Many say i acted poorly by threatening a chargeback, but in the end that is something that did /not/ happen."

Happened or not- the OP threaten a chargeback. When someone threatens to plant a sunflower- presume they will plant a sunflower- even if did or did not happened. It is the intention of user that is important.

And what is so sick- is the OP attitude and discrete behavior towards us- by not giving all the notes sent.

That is a huge red flag.

"If you refuse to fix it, I will be getting my money back. THAT is the end of this fucking discussion."

But then why did the OP displayed commission artwork on his personal user page that is opened to the public if the OP wanted the money refunded?(with the exception on Artist Beware because it is used as evidence.)

It does not matter when the OP sent the commission on display or the intention because at the end, the OP kept the artist's work. So, basically the OP trying to receive an artwork, with his money refunded, keeping the submission in his personal documents, and publicly displaying it; all for the reason that OP did not like how the arm feathers came out.

The OP is trying to get free artwork.

If you think the OP is not trying to get free artwork and I am wrong please give me evidence. Because clearly I am not seeing it.
sacch
Jan. 7th, 2014 08:08 pm (UTC)
I wouldn't think OP is trying to get free artwork, but more or less try to make the artist look bad. If they were, though, this A_B would just be adding insult to injury.

I'm so glad the artist came in and cleared the muck.
lamentobento
Jan. 8th, 2014 04:07 pm (UTC)
When you commission someone you generally agree to the artist's terms of service. Getting an edit out of a commission where the artist clearly stated "no revisions" is a courtesy, and if that edit wasn't enough to you and the artist says "no more and no refunds after completion" then you will have to play along, because that's the document you initially agreed on.
Just a small tip, but when you commission a bigger picture from an artist then it's very worth to take a moment and read their terms of service.

So your problem is entirely your own mistake and zero error on the artist's behalf.
gantzscore
Jan. 9th, 2014 07:14 pm (UTC)
Faunoiphilia has apparently bean rude to artists before, from what I am told he is often unclear and likes to avoid taking blame for any mistake he makes. Should still have proof of this from two other artists that dealt with him but if I post I will not give their names.
ansitru
Jan. 9th, 2014 10:52 pm (UTC)
If they still have the info, links or screencaps they can always send in a "customer beware" on Faunoiphilia.
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