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Beware: darkminou UPDATED 1/13

EDIT 1/13: Proof of further transgression.

(Please pardon the little Max Payne shout out, but I thought it was appropriate. Note that this was all written prior to any action.)

http://imageshack.us/a/img203/106/assinjured.png

darkminou has updated his IB journal with baseless, defaming comments towards me, saying that I've unjustly 'harassed' him and modified his art without his consent. This is completely fabricated, and furthermore he has provided no form of proof that I've done anything like that... because he's lying through his teeth.
http://imageshack.us/a/img805/1748/liesj.png
https://inkbunny.net/journalview.php?id=70785

On his FA, he has also called me out in an attempt to draw as much attention as possible to my un-private commission as possible by making a direct link to said commission. Apparently, he posted a journal before that making mention of me by name, but replaced it with a link to a picture that has my name in the tags. He hopes to strip the potential ammo away from this by dubbing it 'not a call out ok?'.
http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/8416/callout.png
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/4333929/

END EDIT.

WHO: darkminou

WHERE:
http://www.furaffinity.net/user/darkminou/
https://inkbunny.net/darkminou
http://darkminou.deviantart.com/
http://darkminou.blogspot.com/

WHAT: Private commission (not so private after all!)

WHEN:
First contact: August 19th, 2012 03:18
Payment: Late August, 2012
Signs of trouble: Feburary 12, 2013

PROOF:
http://imageshack.us/a/img818/8554/proof1wc.png
http://imageshack.us/a/img51/4546/proof2gf.png
http://imageshack.us/a/img594/4233/proof3rw.png
http://imageshack.us/a/img19/5828/proof4mz.png
http://imageshack.us/a/img824/733/proof5n.png
http://imageshack.us/a/img829/4729/proof6j.png
http://imageshack.us/a/img18/7268/proof7c.png
http://imageshack.us/a/img703/3377/proof8d.png
http://imageshack.us/a/img29/2070/proof9.png

(ADULT:)
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/9908155/
https://inkbunny.net/submissionview.php?id=366869

EXPLAIN:

The proof is in the... well-- proof.

I had first approached darkminou several months ago about a private commission, placing emphasis on the privacy. He agreed to it, but had to disappear for a bit due to irl complications. I approached him again later, and again making sure to mention the importance of privacy. He posed no objections, and agreed that it was all okay.

Five months later, the piece is done. I give him the okay, and he merrily informs me that he is going to post it on his gallery. Obviously, this is not okay by me, and I tell him why, and that I've told him before. He very promptly responds by-- not caring. He claims to have removed my username from the commission, but he has in fact included it in the very tags and keywords of both the FurAffinity and InkBunny versions. It's become impossible to bring him to understanding, as all my attempts to explain end with him blowing me off and/or insulting me.

I've sent support tickets to the moderators at both websites (FurAffinity and InkBunny), though I've yet to receive an answer for either. In the meanwhile, all I can do is warn others of darkminou's manipulation and callousness, and ask for advice from the folks at Artists Beware.
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kerstin_orion
Feb. 13th, 2013 04:38 am (UTC)
I would recommend taking a screencap of his journal commenting on this issue and adding it to your post.
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/4331680/

Edited at 2013-02-13 04:39 am (UTC)
kerstin_orion
Feb. 13th, 2013 11:58 am (UTC)
The most telling line for me in that journal is, "...or appologise [sic] when i miss the line where you told me "remain private" ".

That says to me that this whole "I forgot" thing is a big fib and completely premeditated.
ominous_pants
Feb. 13th, 2013 05:15 am (UTC)
man, reading this guy's posts i was thinking maybe it was a communication issue because this guy is obviously a non-english speaker, but yeah, those caps definitely prove that he did agree to keep it private and then pretty much pulled the rug out from under you. :/ jesus what an asshole. i'm sorry that happened.
kerstin_orion
Feb. 13th, 2013 05:28 am (UTC)
Please refrain from name-calling.
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lichdog
Feb. 13th, 2013 05:49 am (UTC)
yikes. beware well warranted. what he did was majorly uncool
greenreaper
Feb. 13th, 2013 05:54 am (UTC)
Action on Inkbunny was delayed because the submission concerned was not specifically identified in the ticket. It has been removed now.
kerstin_orion
Feb. 13th, 2013 11:53 am (UTC)
Thanks for taking care of it!
totschrei
Feb. 13th, 2013 06:08 am (UTC)
Very unprofessional.
Regardless if you never agree to keeping it private there is proof that this person agreed. Being so, his mistake for looking it over, should count his losses and not post the picture. Keeping it private.

Bewared warranted.
amocin
Feb. 13th, 2013 06:23 am (UTC)
I have in my TOS that I reserve the right to post anything I draw, but that is stated beforehand, not after the fact. The artist agreed and should comply with that agreement. Some people like to commission adult art, but dont want it shared, and that is completely understandable. This is really bad on his part, and I am sorry you have had to deal with this.
lichdog
Feb. 13th, 2013 06:27 am (UTC)
I've seen some artists who will just recolor the characters to be their own. I think it's a fair compromise. I get that artists want to get their work better exposed and I also respect the need for customer privacy.
(no subject) - amocin - Feb. 13th, 2013 06:32 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - spadefoot - Feb. 14th, 2013 04:14 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - amocin - Feb. 14th, 2013 06:40 am (UTC) - Expand
dilario
Feb. 13th, 2013 06:41 am (UTC)
I find it so strange that he hasn't deleted it from his gallery. He seems to be taking a "what's done is done" stance as if it's impossible to do anything about it now... I don't understand the reasoning behind it at all.
weirdmisty
Feb. 13th, 2013 08:10 am (UTC)
What a horrible attitude. I can't imagine ever being willing to do business with someone who won't respect agreements made with his commissioners.
cat_claw_fever
Feb. 13th, 2013 09:56 am (UTC)
Whoa, after reading kerstin_orion's link just surprised me. Turning around and suddenly (conveniently) introducing a new policy at that time is just unfair. But, multiplying the price of something by 3 times just because you want it private is just absurd.
itsamellama
Feb. 13th, 2013 10:52 am (UTC)
I'm actually curious about that, because I know there are artists who charge more for private commissions, but 3 times does seems like a bit too much...?

Also uncool to make a journal like that and not taking responsibility for what he did.
(no subject) - cat_claw_fever - Feb. 13th, 2013 10:55 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - thaily - Feb. 13th, 2013 09:02 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - itsamellama - Feb. 14th, 2013 12:25 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - mistresswolf - Feb. 14th, 2013 03:41 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - darkm1nou - Feb. 14th, 2013 01:17 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - taasla - Feb. 13th, 2013 11:33 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - kerstin_orion - Feb. 13th, 2013 11:52 am (UTC) - Expand
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taasla
Feb. 13th, 2013 11:34 am (UTC)
Beware definitely warranted! He clearly agreed to it, and I am so sorry you're having to go through this.
artic_dragoness
Feb. 13th, 2013 12:36 pm (UTC)
That's pretty annoying. Even if the person is French, you said twice beforehand to keep it private, which they agreed to :I The journal about it after the fact is just icing on the cake of beware.
spiffystuff
Feb. 13th, 2013 02:54 pm (UTC)
Seeing as there's a big gap (August to Feb), maybe the artist just plain forgot it was supposed to be private? But that doesn't explain why he refused to take it down and suddenly acted like he /never/ does private commissions or would triple the price. Even though english may not be his first language I think you were pretty clear and he voiced understanding.

Beware well deserved, sorry that happened to you :/
latiro
Feb. 13th, 2013 04:53 pm (UTC)
woah what abhorrent behaviour! I've just blocked him to avoid having a similar run-in

beware well warrented
norsepaw
Feb. 13th, 2013 06:51 pm (UTC)
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/4333929/

Yeah because blocking will solve everything...


IDK anymore
sigilgoat
Feb. 13th, 2013 07:06 pm (UTC)
Please avoid posting image macros. This isn't a snark or lulz community!
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(no subject) - dragontripmon - Feb. 13th, 2013 07:22 pm (UTC) - Expand
cyiakanami
Feb. 13th, 2013 08:31 pm (UTC)
Beware well warranted and on my block list. Hopefully that journal and image on fa will be taken down soon.
spadefoot
Feb. 13th, 2013 09:25 pm (UTC)
UPDATED 1/13
Thank you all for your supportive comments. After all the frustration and aggravation, it's honestly a great burden off the shoulders to see a community so adamantly adhering to the rights of the commissioner. It's not quite over yet, as you'll see in the recent edit, but the response so far has been greatly helpful. Thank you all!
magusmanx
Feb. 13th, 2013 09:39 pm (UTC)
I can honestly say, just from the attitude they have displayed, I'll be avoiding them.
inkstainedrat
Feb. 13th, 2013 10:35 pm (UTC)
I'm really glad you brought this over from FAF to Artists Beware. I apologize for any snap judgements I may have made over there - I didn't have all the information and was trying to make a balloon statement as to what I understood the situation to be. :3

That said, I'm very sorry that you've had to go through this. I hope that the FA moderators will get back to you soon. (The IB staff really impressed me with their timely image removal!)
tonic_down
Feb. 14th, 2013 12:37 am (UTC)
I actually managed to capture a screenshot of the first journal.
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/5461/hjghugu.png

bazeelphooka
Feb. 14th, 2013 12:40 am (UTC)
Please note me on Fur Affinity
Hello!

I will be happy to work with you on this issue, as I am the liaison between Fur Affinity and Artists Beware administration teams. Please note me on Fur Affinity with the note links (LINKS!) and I will take it from there. Thanks a bunch!

I can be found at http://www.furaffinity.net/user/bazeel/
bazeelphooka
Feb. 14th, 2013 12:40 am (UTC)
Re: Please note me on Fur Affinity
Also, if you have a ticket open on this matter, please note me the ticket link, as well. Thanks!
spadefoot
Feb. 14th, 2013 02:29 am (UTC)
Wow! Thank you, Bazeel. I've just sent you both. Thanks for your time!
bazeelphooka
Feb. 14th, 2013 03:05 am (UTC)
I have begun communication with this artist, and results are pending. Please allow up to 24 hours for a resolution. At this time, your name has been removed from the tags.
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kayla_la
Feb. 14th, 2013 04:17 am (UTC)
I like that he removed the art because Bazeel told him to, but then made a point to make a journal calling you out as the commissioner.

He seems very, very spiteful and for no particularly good reason. Definitely someone I wouldn't want to deal with. Heaven knows how he'd react if a real problem came up if he reacts this way to such a small request (that he agreed to..).
itsamellama
Feb. 14th, 2013 12:30 pm (UTC)
Holy COW those recent edits are just. Holy cow.

Beware well warranted.
norsepaw
Feb. 14th, 2013 12:54 pm (UTC)
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/4337762/

I haven't seen someone so angry for a long time and now he now know about 'Artist Beware' too.
darkm1nou
Feb. 14th, 2013 01:04 pm (UTC)
Hello people
Before all, i'm glad to see that spadefoot choose to open the subject himself

i'll not come to appologise, it is know i don't accept private art, and he miss to precise this part
I'll not say i didn't flame. i did, and call out too, it's true. Sorry about that, this case turn me mad .

Now about the art itself.
it was representation of two character, one of them raping the other.

After the case i've been contacted by some other "friends" of Spadefoot, they ask me too to remove the art, cause the character used was their property.

he stole them and ask me to draw those rape art. and that was the reason why he wanted to keep it secret.

So i'll not ask you to not spit on me, you seems to have already your own ideas about.
Just wanted to explain that the removal of my art wasn't the thing of spadefoot..
oh and that he did use this thread on me as blackmail to make me remove the thing.
No problem about i did it as the true owner asked for.

Pour les françois je rajouterais que je trouve son insistance particulièrement indécente et que je n’apprécie guère ses manières de voyous!
norsepaw
Feb. 14th, 2013 01:14 pm (UTC)
Re: Hello people
Do you have any proof(Screenshots of notes) were you tell him that its not going private?
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