- EDIT: The payment as of so far has not been revoked, however, the user in question has never explained himself why he yanked my funds, or even considered the fact that he was in the wrong. However, I'm rather disgusted right at this moment with Artist's beware, whom seemed to have focused on attacking me rather than answering my question.
1. Guys, paypal wasn't my issue. I got a guyfriend to call in and it was all good.
2. My legitimate question was whether or not I should expect him to make up for this mess.
3. Should I even touch the money he tries to send?
WHO: Saphiros off of furaffinity- http://www.furaffinity.net/user/saphiros
from his pony account http://www.furaffinity.net/user/twentypercentcooler .
WHERE:
http://www.furaffinity.net/user/twentypercentcooler
WHAT: Digital art of a fat twilight sparkle- http://www.furaffinity.net/view/9200009/
WHEN: November 6th during an art show, this was commissioned.
Shortly after, I noticed the payment was not in my paypal. I stuck an
UNPAID squiggle over the image and notified the user via shout that the
payment didn't go through. On the 7th of november he responded with an
apology and assured me he resent the money. On the 22nd of december I
received a note with an apology and another payment for the payment he
never sent. This time instead of ten, he sent twenty, which I didn't
touch because I was wary of the reversed payments. Shortly after
christmas I transferred the money to my bank account, at which point he
reversed payment. The money was drawn from my bank account, since the
money was in transit, and overdrafted me,
PROOF:
http://i49.tinypic.com/1o4vp2.jpg my shout
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/9200009/ the art
http://i50.tinypic.com/64dx03.jpg his reply
http://i46.tinypic.com/33lhyer.jpgreversed payment details
http://i48.tinypic.com/290y1pk.jpgthe note saying he sent the twenty for my trouble
EXPLAIN:On November 6th I did a stream for 10$ full colors. This
individual twentypercentcooler asked for a fat pony for his account,
main account saphiros. The user's payment, supposedly, was sent to the
wrong paypal, and I just marked the submission as being unpaid and was
going to let it go, since there are a LOT of scammers nowadays. He
messaged me in response to my comment that the payment was wrong, and
apologized and sent me twenty to unmark the payment as unpaid for. He
seemed embarrassed. On the 22nd of December I unmarked the image, and on
the 26th I transferred the money to my bank, at which point he issued a
contest
with paypal. The money to refund was withdrawn from my bank account
with a $18.22 balance, and left me a 35$ overdraft fee for the 1.78 I
didn't have. The money, as of 12/28, after another user prodded him, was
resent once again and as of yet has not been revoked. Paypal will not
accept a phone call from me, the owner of the account, due to the fact
that I have a man's name and am vocally quite obviously not a male.
Their phone center is based in India or somewhere, I believe and the two
people I've talked to insisted on speaking with a man. However, the
reason for the contest was simply put that the user did not receive said
'physical goods' and I'm not covered for intangible goods. Sad day,
indeed. When I originally tried to post the ad, the user had not
responded. A response has been made, as well as payment, but I am afraid
to touch the money, since he has revoked it twice already. Even still
if I do get to keep the money, my bank account is in the red, and the
user has not been truthful or forthcoming with information. I feel as if
he's only made this latest payment to cover his own tail in the face of
embarrassment. I believe he has done this to people before, as there
are several cached hidden comments on DA of people commenting on his art
info about being a scammer. http://i45.tinypic.com/bgd3z5.jpg
What should I do? Should I expect him to compensate me for my loss? In
addition, should I expect a full explanation as to why he contested my
service? He blemished my record at my paypal and my bank.
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Comments
Personally I'd ask for the overdraft fee money but it really isn't his issue that you were low on money and the chargeback overdrafted you so I'd wait til someone with more knowledge says something.
Though I'm surprised to see that Paypal bases someones gender off their name and not the information listed in the paypal account. It's a bit sexist of them to be honest, but...
Which number did you call? I would like more information about how that went down with paypal, because this is something I've never heard happening before. And I am a little...doubtful of the situation as you've stated it thus far.
However, OP apparently got information because they were told they can't ammend the transacionts due to "intangible goods" which is current Policy...
So OP, did you, or did you not get ahold of paypal? At what point were you turned away due to the sound of your voice/gender?
This holiday season I had someone somehow obtain my Paypal DC number and was making big purchases that got failed due to my limits(thank god) and because it happened while I was at work, I used my work phoneline to get my stuff fixed. The work number is not my verified PP number, but I STILL got a male voice that oozed Texan.
I don't have a debit card.
It's annoying, but those policies are in place to protect Paypal users.
"So, the other day I received a note from someone that had yet to pay me for a commission. I assumed they were scamming and left it with a giant UNPAID logo.
The 22nd I received an apology and a payment, which I thusly transferred to my bank account. Ebay then took out their fees for my month, and then the individual revoked his payment.
Here's the result:
my bank is overdrawn by 31$ because of the fees on a 1.26 overdraft
my paypal is frozen.
and I can't afford my medications to treat the pain and suffering I go through with cancer.
You sir, are a dick.
EDIT:
Interestingly enough, paypal is a bunch of sexist pricks. If you have a remotely masculine sounding name and you're female, they won't speak to you because it's 'obvious that the account owner is a male'"
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Can you really pin your lack of medication for cancer treatment on this customer? Can you pin Ebay's fee taking and thus getting overdrafted on this customer?
You are leaving some very important things out here, OP. I do not think it's fair to ask for money to cover the overdraft fee, if you had possibly incurred them from ebay fees. The guy seems shady, but you at this point seem doubly so.
The stuff about the medicine however is just unnecessary guilt tripping.
Edit: it looks like I misread this situation a bit, though I still don't think it's contradictory. It seems the artist had ebay fees + $18 odd dollars in their account. Ebay took their fees, artist transferred commissioners payment from paypal to bank account, commissioner reversed payment before the transfer was complete so the artist was overdrafted due to the money not being in her bank account or in paypal at that time. Still the commissioners fault here. But I'm also not loving the attitude displayed in that journal:
"posted on AB. If this gentleman isn't one of the mods friends, he might make it."
Since when is that ever an issue here?
Edited at 2013-01-03 03:12 am (UTC)
Like:
- Can you chargeback before a payment is finished?
- Did Paypal really snub her for having a womans voice? (Wth???)
- Why did he pay her $20 instead of the $10 she was owed?
- Did he pay her back + overdraft fees?
That kinda stuff is why I'm being so skeptical. But you are correct, it's not contradicting! But I suppose it's moot, because he's apparently paid her?
I also can't imagine - if it did happen - just going "oh okay then" and hanging up the phone rather than asking for a supervisor for being given such rude treatment. But OP, if this did happen to you, you should definitely put in a complaint.
That's a little fishy although that just sounds more like an explanation issue. More like "I had $18.72 in the bank, he took $10, ebay $10, leaving me in the red."
- Can you chargeback before a payment is finished?
Erm, I don't see this happening?
- Did Paypal really snub her for having a womans voice? (Wth???)
This is what seemed really odd to me, but there are always oddball stories. However, if I were to take issue with OP's story, this is the bit I would wonder about.
- Did he pay her back + overdraft fees?
It looks like he paid her back, but not the fees incurred. She talks about how her account is still in the red.
2. Yes. Girls don't usually have names like Michael
3. He sent me twenty to make up for the ten he should have sent.
4. He paid the twenty the day after I tried to post this article, however, I'm scared to touch that money as he could revoke it again.
i see a LOT of big names on that list over to the left.
while the commissioner was clearly shady, i can't help but feel that maybe her attitude or business behavior might have lead to their actions against the OP.
it's difficult to take someone at their word when in the same breath of asking for support they're insulting you and implying you're in cahoots with the person causing them problems.
We see this stuff, it doesn't reflect well ya know? Just something to think about.
Let's say OP has $100 in their bank account, ebay takes out expected $82 and change fee, leaving $17 and change. OP gets hit for $20 payment revoke grabbing $20 from their account. This leaves them $1.26 in the hole. Bank gets angry that the balance is in the negative and slaps on $30 fine leaving OP at -$31.26?
How is that not what OP posted? OP had enough for the ebay fee, not ebay fee and a surprise chargeback. (Not to mention OP had already done the work, so it was her money to spend.)
Am I missing something?
Now will you be able to get him to pay you for how he wronged you? Would be nice, but isn't likely (realistically speaking). But who should pay? The one who screwed up the transaction.
Second, call your bank or go in and speak to a teller. Explain the situation without being aggressive about it and they will likely wave your overdraft for you if this isn't a common issue with your account.
Also I wouldn't assume a customer service person was outsourced just because they have an accent and then you claim sexism? Yeah that doesn't really reflect well on you.
I'm a woman with a very feminine name, but I don't exactly have the most feminine voice - especially when I'm sick with a raspy throat.
I had to call PayPal on one of said days, and other then being called sir once they had no issue talking to me with my net pin and other info.
The only thing that may have happened is you got a bad rep but you could have called back for another or even asked for another.
Biologically female and my first name is Desirae, and I still get called sir for my voice. Same situation, called paypal and such, still had no issues accessing my account.
The alleged issue mentioned by OP seems a little far-fetched, at least about that part.
either way, that sucks, and I'm sorry it happened to you :C
Edited at 2013-01-03 09:03 pm (UTC)