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Rule reminder.

For the love of all that is good and graceful, stop deleting/screening comments without mod permission. We have had a rash of people breaking the rules, being given a warning and then immediately deleting their comments, thus breaking the rules again in the process. This is incredibly frustrating for us moderators and gives us more work for absolutely no reason.

We have gotten a lot of new people lately who apparently do not read the rules before participating. I implore all members, new and old, to take a bit of their time to familiarize themselves with the rules listed in the userinfo. In the meantime, I am going to be discussing a harsher punishment with the other mods for people who do what I described above, as it is getting entirely out of hand when we are handing out double to triple warnings left and right from people deleting their comments after being told to stop flaming/using hard to read fonts/going off-topic/etc.

"I didn't know it was against the rules" is not an excuse. They're right there on the info page.

Again, DON'T DELETE YOUR COMMENTS! We have to warn people for this almost every day, especially lately, and that is honestly ridiculous. It is only polite to familiarize yourself with a community's rules before participating in it, so please do so.

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clipfox
Oct. 4th, 2011 03:53 am (UTC)
Ban hammer?
kayla_la
Oct. 4th, 2011 03:57 am (UTC)
I'm proposing an immediate two-week ban with an attached note to spend at least some of that time reviewing the rules before they participate again when the ban is lifted.

The rules are so easily accessible that there's no excuse for stumbling in without reading them and then promptly breaking them, TWICE in a row. And it's been happening a lot lately.
clipfox
Oct. 4th, 2011 03:59 am (UTC)
You could create a multiple choice multiple answer quiz you need to take and get 70% or better on to get access to the community again. ;)
(no subject) - fenris_lorsrai - Oct. 4th, 2011 04:40 am (UTC) - Expand
megamon_blue
Oct. 4th, 2011 04:52 am (UTC)
Not a bad idea. If they can't be bothered to voluntarily read the rules, a quiz will force them to.
kayla_la
Oct. 4th, 2011 04:59 am (UTC)
No, we turned off moderated membership long ago because it seemed pretty pointless when we also had moderated posts, and we were essentially being spammed with join requests all the time.
greenreaper
Oct. 4th, 2011 06:41 am (UTC)
Well, now you know the point - to moderate your membership! If they can't say "OK, I read the rules and agree to them", they don't get in. ;-p
oceandezignz
Oct. 4th, 2011 08:02 am (UTC)
The thing is we don't know if they've read the rules when they pop in to join the comm! LJ's headerbar can make it very easy to join a comm without looking at their policies.
greenreaper
Oct. 4th, 2011 02:00 pm (UTC)
That's my point - if you have them on moderated membership, you can add additional requirements like "you must email X with confirmation that you have read the rules and agree to them". Then there are no excuses.
kayla_la
Oct. 4th, 2011 03:50 pm (UTC)
I'm sorry, but no. We already have so much work we do on a volunteer basis in the comm and we had so many membership requests. That was why we turned it off in the first place, we had to investigate everyone that applied and when you were getting SEVERAL people a day, along with all your other duties, along with having a real life... it was just more practical to open membership and have moderated posts and deal with the occasional troublemaker. It's not like having a quiz means we'd never have anyone breaking the rules, and 'I didn't read them' isn't an excuse already.

It's not that it's a bad suggestion, it's just not practical for us. We're volunteers and we already put a large amount of time into AB.
onesteptwo
Oct. 4th, 2011 06:59 pm (UTC)
Could you "employ" one more person to work on just the join requests? I'd be happy to do it if it seems a viable decision.
kayla_la
Oct. 4th, 2011 07:04 pm (UTC)
There's just not really any point. We have plenty of people who know better and have been part of the comm for years and still break the rules. Suddenly making it a lot harder to join isn't going to do much of anything but slow traffic and possibly throttle the comm. We still had people doing things they shouldn't when we DID moderate membership, after all.

I just don't see the benefit being worth all the trouble. We've already done it before, and all it did was make extra work.
unicorn_magic
Oct. 4th, 2011 07:24 pm (UTC)
Not to mention, LJ's PM system is notoriously unreliable, so even if you did go through all the work of quizzing people, there could be additional problems caused by lost PMs.
kayla_la
Oct. 4th, 2011 07:26 pm (UTC)
There's so many pitfalls to the quiz idea.. the heart of the idea is in the right place, but it's just not really viable for the next to no 'profit' it'd provide. We've pretty much decided on a punishment for people who do what I described in the OP and I think that'll help people take the no deleting rule more seriously.
kerstin_orion
Oct. 5th, 2011 12:04 am (UTC)
We switched to open membership not just to ease the burden on moderators, but also to make it easier to join and read the posts here. The easier it is for people to see the warnings and advice, the better it serves our community's purpose.

The majority of members in A_B don't even comment; it is just a few who jump in without reading the rules (and the occasional experienced member who goes a bit overboard and forgets). It is for these folks that we are making the addendum to the 'punishment' scale.

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