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[sticky post] How to handle being posted to AB

You've Been Posted to Artists Beware... Now What?

Artists Beware can be a powerful place. With thousands of members and readers, that is a lot of people who will see your name. It is completely understandable the stress, frustration, anger, worry, and anxiety having a beware posted about yourself may bring.

However, many times it is not the actual post on its own that will ruin a reputation. Instead, it is how the artist or commissioner reacts to it. This post is here to help you figure out what to do if you end up here, and sincerely want to smooth over your newly ruffled reputation.

  • First thing's first... DON'T PANIC. The absolute WORST thing you can do is respond while you're emotional. Get a hold of yourself, walk away and calm down before coming back to defend yourself.

  • If the beware is a result of genuine wrong-doing (even if accidental on your part), don't make excuses, or try to guilt trip the OP with your problems. People will see right through it and it will definitely lower their opinion of you. It makes you sound insincere in wanting to fix things when you come off as if you are looking for sympathy or to get out of your responsibilities instead.

  • Be respectful and polite, it will go a long, long way. Many times, people earn business if they handle a problem gracefully and with tact. In turn, the opposite reaction will net you the opposite result, and you don't want that.

  • Do not ask/demand/blackmail/hint for the OP to delete the post! I can't stress this enough. It makes you look shady, and people WILL take note of it. If things are resolved, we have a 'resolved' tag specifically for that, and the OP can update their post to reflect the resolution. Deleting the post is unnecessary and contradictory to the purpose of AB as a whole, as well as disrespectful to the userbase. Do not do this. It will most likely end in getting both you and the OP banned, and the post will merely be reposted anyway.

  • DO NOT send your friends/SO/whoever to fight your battles for you! This is one of the worst things you can do. You WILL be judged to an extent by the company you keep, and if someone you know comes in frothing at the mouth in defense of you, cursing and raging at the members, it will be theirs AND your reputation that will suffer for it. Try to avoid 'whiteknights', and understand that you yourself coming in and being respectful and honest with an explanation, apology, and resolution will do far more for you than your friends ever could.

  • Ultimately, your goal should be fixing the problem and earning that Resolved tag. After all, if you messed up, why wouldn't you want to try to make everybody happy by fixing the issue? Keep that in mind at all times when you are replying.

  • When defending yourself against genuinely untrue claims, do what you can to show proof as politely and calmly as possible. If the OP is downright lying or omitting information, and you can prove it, AB members will react appropriately and moderator action may be taken against the offending OP.

  • Understand that AB isn't a group of dramallama meanie jerkfaces who want nothing more than to see you suffer. The members of AB work with the information they're given at the time, and they will be honest, even if it's not something you want to hear. But if you've made a mistake and are genuinely apologetic, you will be surprised how helpful and sympathetic the members will be. Treat them with respect, and they'll do the same for you.

  • Never pull the 'I have a life' excuse. Everybody has a life. Rarely is anyone's life so busy that they can not do what ended up getting them posted here, and if it is, you shouldn't be taking commissions/getting commissions/whatever to begin with. If something does come up, update them personally! Don't leave them in the dark or expect them to search for information. Fulfilling the agreements you make, whether you are a customer or an artist, should be an important part of your life and sense of character. If it isn't, well, that's probably why you're on AB.

    Okay. Just keep this in mind, then. Don't freak out, be respectful when replying, don't send your friends or SO to whiteknight for you and don't demand the OP take down the post. If you genuinely want to fix things, behave like it, and you'll be fine!

    If I missed anything or anyone has anything to add, feel free to do so!
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    WHO: Thatdangcat / Toradoshi

    WHERE: They have heaps of places to contact them, these are all the ones they have listed on their Furaffinity. All contact we had was via emails or FA notes.

    WHAT: Round two from this beware http://artists-beware.livejournal.com/917946.html I guess it'd be best to familiarize yourself with this, but TL:DR below

    Premade partial on Furbuy to be made into a digitigrade fullsuit. Purchased by myself and my partner as a joint commission with him doing the majority of the contact for ease of commission, deadline passed, ignored for a full year and finally resumed contact with a new deadline, deadline has once again passed with all contact being ignored.

    WHEN: New contract for a premade partial to be made into a full suit began 9th August 2016, deadline was 31st October 2016.

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    EXPLAIN: Bought a premade partial from Thatdangcat/Toradoshi on 4/4/15, stopped updating us after the 7/25/15. Used alt account to get them to start replying to us again. New contract was worked out on the 8/9/16 that gave her a 3 month deadline - her original estimation on how long the suit would take was 2-4 months, so giving her another 3 months after a full year of getting ignored seemed reasonable.
    Was also agreed that she'd give us weekly updates on the progress. Got a single 'update' saying she'd get back to us.
    Deadline has passed again and once again back to getting ignored.
    Sent a final note to her FA and email from both of our accounts and emailed to her - Shout out to whoever posted a few bewares ago, used your comment as a template for the final note <3 I think at this point if I hadn't it would have read as much angrier. I'm pretty frustrated and upset that we're out a LOT of money that I don't think we'll be seeing again :/
    Not going to bother waiting the week we've given her before posting this, because it seems like her track record so far is that we just won't get any response at all.
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    FurAffinity fursuit scammer

    WHO: Mew / Xionica (fursuit character name)

    WHERE: https://www.furaffinity.net/user/mew | https://www.furaffinity.net/user/xionica/

    WHAT: Fursuit partial (being resold) - fursuit shown on their Xionica page.

    WHEN: Around March / April 2016 is when I first paid on it. July 9th was my last payment.

    PROOF: Everything is chronologically placed in my dropbox but I'll also post the links chronologically through the explanation as well. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/7obu4yppo7mpeoc/AABEqW-37KC12Re0dkVVD1eDa?dl=0

    Proof that Mew and Xionica are the same person:


    She sent me art of the character that wasn't even posted on Xionica's account. She said that's where the fursuit was hosted and that she would sell account, char art, and the FurAffinity profile along with purchase.

    This proof shows that I made payments on it and that it was to her paypal she specified:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/gbdp8rktycbmpot/proof8.png?dl=0 - This was my final payment.

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    WHO: Miss Kitty's Custom Commissions on FB

    WHERE: https://www.facebook.com/scarykittenincorporated/ + their personal FB

    WHAT: 2 digital pieces for $20

    WHEN: Aug 21st 2015 - current

    PROOF: https://gyazo.com/812ea7cf305d5ba62095ca8a97e35bb6 - initial commission request
    https://gyazo.com/a914d9eabbfc4e277314c5425b500675 - I was still admin of a FB group at this point, I guess the GFM is unrelated but IDK?
    https://gyazo.com/447de3058f93728c3bed8508007ee092 - End of 2015, still no arts.
    https://gyazo.com/0979ef74a606627369ebbb2328046507 - I think that’s pretty self explanitory… Hasn’t looked at my messages or replied.

    EXPLAIN: I think the caps tell the story. I don’t think there’s really anything to add here. My patience has cost me money. x.x

    I’m also not the only person with this problem but I’m only speaking for myself.
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    QUESTION: Adoptable species changing owners

    I know this isnt something you usually see on Artists beware but I recently stumbled upon this and I had some questions I thought the community could answer. Because this is a general question I will not be posting names, but I can for further clarification if needed. I dont want to beware anyone involved, just curious what the changes the new owner is doing verses the old one, if anything can actually be held up/enforced.

    The artist had a race she made. Very cute, high sellers (imho) I have one and I got a friend of mine one as well. They also sold templates on their website allowing people to make their own for their own use and for sale. I almost got one of these myself.

    The creator artist has since lost their passion for the creatures and sold off the species. I didnt even know who owned the new one until by chance someone linked me to a journal which was posted about a week ago. In it the new owner states that they are now a closed species, anyone who bought the template online to make and sell them will not be allowed to do so. Everyone must register their adoptable or it will be considered 'a fake' 'poser' 'look alike'

    I have some issues with this as I bought mine as what it is because of what it is and that it is very cute. And while I didnt buy the template it strikes me as that would not be enforceable as it was purchased from the creator artist with the terms and conditions being that they can be made and sold. Unless the new owner is going to refund those people, I dont see how this can be enforced.

    Adoptable have always been a bit of a slippery slope, and I am curious what other artists think. I hope this was clear enough to understand.

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    WHO: MintyMudi (twitter), MudiCommissions (twitter), Mixeddisaster (FA, relatively inactive)

    WHERE: Twitter DMs, @MintyMudi

    WHAT: An adopt purchase, turned into a traditional badge trade.

    August 9, 2016 – Present Day

    PROOF: Here's an Imgur album, but I will link appropriate images accordingly: http://imgur.com/a/JN1yv

    EXPLAIN: On August 9th, 2016, I posted several characters for sale, and MintyMudi expressed interest in one of them. I was asking $20, and they offered $15 and a small doodle, which I accepted. They sent me the $15 promptly. http://i.imgur.com/q7shtqO.png http://i.imgur.com/QAwRZvM.png
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    Corpse Cat AKA SugarNSpiceCostumes

    WHO: SugarNSpiceCostumes or as she goes by on social media, Corpse Cat

    WHERE: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/sugarnspicecostumes/

    WHAT: The product was a full fursuit, $1,918. 2 full bodies, 2 sets of feet paws (indoor/outdoor), 1 set of hand paws and of course a head and tail. The quality of the suit was to be the same as the ones advertised on her FA page

    WHEN: I made the first payment for the suit in 2015, she claims that she started it in April 4th of 2016. I was the only suit she was working on (so she told me, which I have screenshots of and will display)

    PROOF: This is a small section of screenshots. To screenshot our ENTIRE chat it would be too many links, but this is times where she's ignored me, times where's she's lied to me, and times where we discussed the product quality, when it would be completed, and the price/payments. I blurred out her paypal and the addresses that are there

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    WHO: Victoria10717 known as "FurFancyCostumes" on Furaffinity

    WHERE: Links to their Furaffinity accounts

    WHAT: Fursuit handpaws, feetpaws, bodysuit with tail attached (fursuit items)

    WHEN: First agreed upon commission on the 16th of March 2016, it was also agreed upon that said items would be delivered to me by June 17th 2016, this is still ongoing however and they have not started the commission as I am writing this 16 February 2017, I finally worked up the courage to ask for a refund 2 months ago

    PROOF: Proof can be found here: http://imgur.com/a/RAgOm
    Proof is in the form of screenshots of conversations I have had with the maker

    EXPLAIN: This all started after I purchased a fursuit head off the fursuit auction site "furbuy" from someone who bought it from the maker. I decided I wanted to upgrade it to a partial so I reached out to the maker as I needed it done for a specific date which I wouldn't be able to finish the parts by due to life circumstances, this was my only reason for commissioning the maker at the time so I'd have the partial to wear to an upcoming convention.
    The maker agreed and assured me it would be there in time for the convention http://imgur.com/rCI396A so I went through with the commission and paid. http://imgur.com/HZDcMjl

    I know artists don't like being bombarded with questions from commissioners so I gave them space and just assumed that they would work on it. Time passed and I hadn't seen any progress at all so I contacted them and they told me it was fine and will be done. I contacted them again 2 weeks before the date they assured me they'd have it completed by (as shipping from the USA to Australia takes 2 weeks) and by this point I knew they wouldn't have it done in time, which I was upset about but I let it slide.

    Time continued to pass and I was getting more stressed and worried about the commission, I was constantly given sob stories for why the commission wasn't worked on (moving house, relatives dying etc.), which I gave her more time because of, however I was noticing too that she was working on commissions that were paid off after mine.

    It became difficult to get into contact with the maker as they began ignoring my messages, I tried switching over to email on numerous occasions which were ignored completely, whereas with notes I would receive occasional replies.

    Late September to early October I messaged her asking what was going on and she told me that she was working and making great progress and I started seeing a lot of work from her that she was doing on others commissions suits and I became confident that soon she'd do my commission as she was posting progress as well with her assuring me my suit would be worked on soon http://imgur.com/rrnAKmd so I decided to add a bodysuit to the commission as they also assured me it wouldn't slow my commission but be done with it.

    Time continued to pass and more and more I noticed other commissions being done over mine and when I tried contacting the maker I was ignored. Eventually I decided I was putting too much time into this and it was making me too stressed so I wanted to put an end to it and as they had breached the agreement many times I believed I was entitled to a full refund and all they responded with was to follow their "trello" http://imgur.com/oT70pkB to try and get me to no longer ask for a refund. On other occasions I had told them they hadn't made a slot for me on trello which they ignored so even looking at that list, I had no idea where I was on it or if my commission was even being considered in her queue

    Then the maker proceeded to provide excuses and reasons as to why they couldn't or hadn't worked on the commission http://imgur.com/AZ7StD9 then claiming that I hadn't paid it off before others she had placed ahead of me, this continued for a little longer with conversation difficult as they continued to ignore my messages

    http://imgur.com/OhKbuo8 Finally I was able to get them to agree to send a refund and at this point I was so over it I didn't care about the 35% anymore, so I waited. I hadn't heard anything in over a month later after them claiming they'd send the refund that never came. So I proceeded with the Paypal claim, in order to actually receive a refund. I called PayPal customer service and explained the situation to someone there who told me that I was entitled to a full refund as they hadn't made a proper effort to work on the commission, regardless of what their TOS stated they had broken the agreement.

    That's when they finally replied however I still am yet to receive a refund from them as they claim they "don't have the money to refund".
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    Hello AB!
    I just need advice on the topic of artist giving refunds marked as services.

    A few months ago I finally got the guts to ask an artist who I had been waiting on a piece of artwork from for over a year if they could issue me a refund (110$). It took them a while as they stated that they didn't have any money due to bills and that they would have to take on more work to be able to refund me. (this is a common trend with said artist but I'm not looking to name them.) They sent me the first half after selling the base sketch for my commission as a ych and then the second half after another week. I was happy to have my refund but the thing that bothered me is that they sent both halves marked as 'goods and services' instead of issuing it through the transaction, or even sending it as 'friends and family.' This not only bothers me because I now have two transactions marked as services on my Paypal account when I use it purely for commissioning artist but I also had to eat the Paypal fees out of pocket which was roughly 10$ give or take.

    I bit my tongue and chalked it up to being a one time occurrence and just let it slide but recently I had another case where an artist I had commissioned took over two months but continuously did personal artwork and bought commissions. I noted them and asked politely if I could be issued a refund (54$) and they told me they would after selling some characters of theirs. Once they sold they had tried to issue me a refund through the transaction but they had an issue with their account were instead of Paypal taking it out of their balance they took it out of their bank account which didn't have money in it so it sat pending for a week before failing. (I've had issues with Paypal doing this as well so I wasn't surprised) They messaged me back telling me that after having to eat a bank account bouncing fee that they would just send it to me manually so it could be done with which I was perfectly fine with but like the last artist I had issues with they sent it as 'Goods and Services' and it ate about 3 dollars.

    So I guess what I am asking is how should I handle situations like this? Should I request that they only send it at 'friends and family.' or do it through the transaction? Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think it's fair to a commissioner that if they want a refund for overdue art (or just plainly the artist cancelling) they have to lose money out of pocket because of it.

    Either way any advice would be very appreciated.

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    Beware: TheBoredPotato (Scammer)

    WHO: TheBoredPotato

    WHERE: http://theboredpotato.deviantart.com/

    WHAT: It was an adoptable auction that they bid on voluntarily ($950)

    WHEN: January 21, 2017 onward (has not been resolved)

    PROOF: http://ninjakato.deviantart.com/art/Beast-Adopt-No-24-Auction-CLOSED-658794416 (the piece may not be visible to anyone who is not on dA but the description will show.
    Proof of their AB'ing the adoptable -- https://i.gyazo.com/245494f2ce97915a214b66738f21fbfc.png
    Verification -- https://i.gyazo.com/c5336bb1afa0f9bbba935a8f71268e6a.png

    EXPLAIN: On January 21st I posted an adoptable auction which started with a bid of $45 and it grabbed the SB fairly quickly and kind of sat for a while. Then suddenly throughout the day there emerged a bidding war between a one TheBoredPotato and another bidder which got up to some pretty insanely high prices. I had never had anything I drew or made exceed $300 at most so needless to say I was completely floored and chuffed all the same to see this happening.
    TheBoredPotato seemed to be serious about their bids as they kept going, claiming they were running out of money but then somehow had gained more money in the middle (*see the bidding chain above) and it kept going on and on and on.
    When it finally hit $700 the other bidder noted me asking me when I was going to put up an AB price so they could AB it and I told them I'd cap it at $850 since I was still reeling from what was happening. By the time I went to cap the auction at $850 TheBoredPotato had already bid $900 https://i.gyazo.com/49187c9d4b8808aa886686941b09fef9.png and then bid $1,000 https://i.gyazo.com/24f334d52099b16249be4b18c043040c.png which needless to say nearly made me faint.
    Anyway, I capped the auction at $950 and TheBoredPotato agreed to pay that amount and I thought everything was sorted -- the other bidder was gutted she didn't win (I know the other bidder) but accepted the loss.

    After they won I noted TheBoredPotato to get the payments started and gave them my PayPal so they would know it was me when I invoiced them after finding out the amount they wanted to pay and so on -- https://i.gyazo.com/2a406eb137270d6d692268b5bb4d06b7.png
    They agreed and sent $150.00 right away via the Gift option on PayPal --  https://i.gyazo.com/456e6088369a678e704698cdd8c3ab9e.png without my invoicing them but I had no reason to believe they weren't legit -- after all, they bid nearly a grand on something, I figured you'd be legit enough if you bid that much.
    They also stated they were basically minted -- https://i.gyazo.com/bb502fd0a83a96da5c791f660baff926.png claiming their parents paid them 1k a week; I should have seen that as a red flag but rich people exist so... I just assumed.

    Anyway, after the $150.00 I figured I'd invoice them for the next payments so I could track them but they never told me when I could invoice them so I waited, then on the 22nd I got another $100 http://sta.sh/027nzr3nsbzv which they sent again via the gift option.
    At this point I was a bit uneasy about it but all the same they seemed legit and had even had a bit of a discussion with me about how much they'd wanted a piece of artwork from me and that after they paid this adopt off they'd commission me -- https://i.gyazo.com/46445f158107a091bd9958f9ebe5bdc0.png (this was the 21st still but still relevant).

    After a day or so no more payments came in automatically so I figured they'd let me know when they could pay more down, however I then got this in my inbox -- http://sta.sh/0m9lpl8c3er
    Now, that didn't alarm me but then I got this as well -- http://sta.sh/0wk41xody9z after I replied to their initial note wishing them well (it sent a day later because it had landed in my drafts folder somehow so it didn't send).
    I didn't want to seem like a skeptic because hey, things happen so I sent them and their family well wishings and then the plot thickened -- http://sta.sh/027tzh5zds7y
    The part that tripped me off was that their profile says they are 15 years old -- https://i.gyazo.com/4e001cc9d09a6dd47e028364a8276514.png and I immediately wondered why a 15 year old kid would have to even think about fronting their parent's medical bills; more so if their parents were so rich they could give their kid 1k a week... It began to make little to no sense.
    However, at the fault of not sounding like a douche canoe I thought it best to give them a bit of time since if something did happen they would need some time to assess their finances and life situation to see if they could continue paying.
    On the 26th I finally sent them a note http://sta.sh/01q1d9mm2gsv to inquire about whether or not they could continue to pay and if they couldn't I'd refund them the $200 they'd already sent and give the adopt to the other bidder instead (the other bidder; who I later found out couldn't afford the adopt anyway since after losing they spent their money elsewhere respectfully).
    They replied with http://sta.sh/01p5blmxg907, http://sta.sh/01bq6ypajaeh, http://sta.sh/02amvrfc3njl and at that point I realised I was likely being had and I had also inquired with the other bidder about taking the adopt to find out they couldn't afford it either. So, needless to say at this point I was a bit gutted that I had not only lost a $950 bid but was also being wrung out. It all felt a bit too fabricated but again, I didn't want to be a jerk about it so I just went with it as best I could.
    Anyway, long story short I asked for the email they used for their PayPal to make sure it was the exact one I had on file --http://sta.sh/023iwhr0ulvu and then refunded TheBoredPotato their $200 on the 26th of January -- http://sta.sh/0t4dadlmw5b via the gift option on PayPal so they would get their full $200 back and that was that -- https://i.gyazo.com/b82b6cdd88a06fb8e9f0b6ff16b01d39.png

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